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‹ Justin Raimondo on Russian TV •
I don’t think Fox News was expecting this, so they cut them off:
Ingrates! Their not following the script: Georgia, good… Russia, bad. Fox is shaken down to its phony bone when reality creeps in the narrative!
Well said.
Oh come on. Fox knew perfectly what they were going to say in advance and bent over backwards to let them say it. I say Fox should be congratulated for putting them on the air. These were Ossetians. Quite aside from the fact that all these people are interviewed and re-interviewed before they ever get on the air, don’t you think Fox knows whose side the Ossetians are going to be on? Fox News is bad enough without being demonized in one of those rare instances when they make an attempt at being even handed.
Your confidence in cable “news” networks is misplace. But I must include CNN and MSNBC in the same category although this clip happened to be of Fox News.
24 hour “news” networks take just about anybody they can to fill up time.
Numerous “Federal Prosecutors” are on who have spent 3 or 4 months of their entire lives working for the feds.
They do not interview and re-interview people as other types of forums might do. And they tend to be passive. People send talking points to them and ask to be on. They don’t spend a lot of time looking for information.
Smith, like a lot talking heads, is lazy. This was not a “reporter” or “fact-finder” using time to ask eyewitnesses pertinent questions.
In fact, the only time you get information from these eyewitnesses is when they volunteer without being asked.
This is exactly what I’ve been telling everybody that brings it up, and they’re like, “Huh!?”
Thanks for the post antiwar!
Look at how dishonest Fox News is. It’s all caught on tape, too.
What’s new about that?!
The media in the US is worse than even the media in dictatorship where people know that it is forced to broadcast what it is told.None believe it unlike the case with so called free press of the free world.
There is only freedom of the press in the USA when Corporate America like what you have to say/print….
If you go to the Fox.com site, you can see a videotape of a Fox journalist and other journalists, clearly marked as such, being shot at by Georgian military irregulars.
I don’t know how long Fox will leave the video up since it clashes with their narrative of David/ Georgians and Goliath/ Russians, so go look at it fast, and if anyone knows how to save the video please do and send it to antiwar.com.
Let’s not forget that in war, atrocities are typically committed by both sides. However, it was Georgia’s aggression that started the war.
P.S. That should be a semi-colon in the heading.
No, it should be a _colon_. The headline is correct as is. Check any major English-language newspaper throughout the world if you want empirical verification, otherwise look at a decent style guide or grammar.
Hi, Eric:
I think that the semicolon person meant that the comma should be replaced by a semicolon, not the colon. And thanks for the great footage of Raimondo (avec cigarette) and this one on Outfoxed news.
That is hilarious! Congrats to that woman for out-foxing Fox!
Honestly, I don’t often subject myself to Fox, but I did catch this live, and watched Shep Smith’s reporting of the war….and while I hate to give too much credit, compared to most of the rest of the media he actually came close to honest-pointing out that the Georgians shot first, and that Bush’s lunatic military “humanitarian” aid could have “serious consequences for the planet”.
How sad that the slightest bit of truth seems praiseworthy.
Through the previous blog post with Justin speaking to Russia Today television I managed to view some clips online and I found it ironic that Georgian forces left behind quite a lot of equipment including American made M-16 rifles…. It gets weirder and weirder. Obviously any “news” organization can cherry-pick what they plan to broadcast and the Russians were showing how a city by the name of Gori was in fact in excellent shape in comparison to those is Ossetia. So where is CNN ad-nauseum? Where are the round the clock media blitzes? Definitely the girl giving thanks to the Russians was a coup. Bravo!
Thank God for Fox News. You know why I say that? Not because they are fair and balanced; they aren’t. Actually they are clearly biased and lean to the right. But they are a good counter-weight to the left-wing extremists on most of the other channels, most notably MSNBC.
But they are a good counter-weight to the left-wing extremists on most of the other channels, most notably MSNBC.
Still living in 1980, eh, Tim?
liberranter:
I see you’ve pierced the curtain that surrounds the Oz-like fantasy-mind of Tim R. He lives in a nether world populated by self-contrived myths and angst–all of them yesterday’s news (except to neocon apologists). After all, who could praise a right-wing statist press as a counter-weight to the left-wing statist press. LOL! Together they make one whacked-out totalitarian with no memory. Check out some of his other fantasies on these blogs. One blogger suggested that Tim R may not be physically free to leave the room where he is tied down.
Thank the non-existant God for allowing Fox News to sell more war to the masses
We can’t say we weren’t warned:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2005-07-01-russia-china_x.htm
Its direct response to the full spectrum dominance plans of the neocons:
http://www.historycommons.org/timeline.jsp?geopolitics_and_9/11=centralAsia&timeline=complete_911_timeline
Thank God for one foot in a bucket of boiling water and one foot in a block of ice. The two balance each other and I feel so comfortable!
I wouldn’t be so quick to jump on the Russia is great bandwagon. They don’t exactly have the best history in regards to non-agression. Obviously time will tell how this turns out, but it’s not over till it’s over. However, it’s also apparent that the US influenced (puppet) Mikhail Saakashvili blew it big time on this one. chalk another one up for good old US interventionism. I keep wondering how we could have encouraged something so stupid, the deaths don’t surprise me but why would we give the Bear such a wide open door.
The only thought I have had is that we must want to restart the cold war. All signs are pointing to it, from our missle shield to our Iran beligerence, etc. Is it possible that the powers that be feel that the “War on Terror” isn’t enough to keep the US citizens properly terrified.
Well good job anyway, for pointing out yet more hipocrisy in both our press and our so called rulers.
Peace!
You yourself point out it wasn’t so stupid after all. “We” accomplished exactly what “we” wanted, increased tension to justify increased military spending.
True that!
It’s enough to make you wanna puke!
It is hard to not jump on the Russian bandwagon. I do not think that anyone here or anyone in the world thinks that Russia’s military is a teddy bear. The people on these boards are aware of the brutal nature Russian tactics. I am applauding Russia because there are only a few countries that are capable of telling Washington to back off. Russia is one of those countries. I have been waiting for Russia to stand up and it finally has stood up and told the West to stop intervening in its sphere of influence.
Russia is also responding to a genuine war crime. Saakashvili ignored his own unilateral ceasefire agreement to attack South Ossetia. Georgia’s military targeted its fellow peace keepers. Russia will not call for the arrest of the Georgian leadership but Russia has every right to call for the removal of Saakashvili. It will not do that latter either.
Only the propaganda wing of the Pentagon can portray Russia as the aggressor in this war. It seems clear that the Pentagon told Georgia to go ahead with this invasion. Saakashvili is an American puppet and even he must have known that Georgia could not contend with an angry Russian Bear.
I don’t believe in war for any reason other than self defense. It’s possible to say that the defense of South Ossetia is self defense as most of the poplulation hold Russian passports. I’m not saying that Russia was wrong I just wouldn’t suddenly jump to the conclusion that Russia is somehow turned into some utopian dream. As for Russia holding our feet to the fire, I doubt it. The new cold war will be mutually benificial for both our major powers. I wouldn’t put it past both of our nations to have gotten behind closed doors and orchestrated this hole mess. When I say that time will tell I’m not talking about the next days, weeks, or even years, but decades.
My Great Grandparents came hear from Russia with my Grandfather (He married a Polish Immigrant). I have studied the history of Russia along with it’s current problems. And I for one would not hold out any hope that Russia will some how turn into the savior of the world. Yes they worry about their “sphere of influence” and don’t think for a second that they are incapable of using severe means to get what they want.
Yes the US is the Major problem in the world today, but why would you think adding Russia to the mix would somehow be a remedy?
Peace!
Oh yah one more thing. As for Sphere of influence. We used to use this term in regards to our invlovment all over South and Central America. We now seem to believe the whole world or at least anyware that our Corporations can make a profit is within our sphere of influence. Russia’s Sphere of influence was once much larger now it’s shrinking and we are taking over. Russia pushes back and increases theirs. And on and on and on. Two wrongs don’t make a right now matter how you wish to see it. When we understand that our only Sphere of Influence is our own nations we will be one step closer to world peace. I could go further and get into Libertarian beliefs but why bother, thats something you either get or don’t.
I WAS very pacifistic back then in the USSR. I supported the demolition of the USSR when it happened, although even then Georgia and Baltic nationalism was stinking bad. Even in 1989.
But since then I see that Russia’s pacifistic approach resulted only in NATO expansion, US aggression all over the world (Yugoslavia, Iraq, Afganistan), military bases in Middle Asia and now - direct deadly assault against Russian soldiers/peacekeepers and civilian population of territories inhibited be Russian passport bearers and being de-facto part of Russia (using rouble as currency, trading only with Russia etc.)
So, my conclusion - WHILE Russia is much weaker then the USA, supporting Russia in it’s actions is the only way to go. WHEN Russia and its future allies would become on-par in terms of power to the US - I would be the first to go and protest before Kremlin. And since the affiliation is likely to be with China - that would be a risky proposition indeed, but that’s life, that’s war (for peace :-)
By the way - where are the US protestors? Why even in the USSR there were 5 people that went in front of Kremlin to protest the Checzhoslovakian “tank policing” operation? That tells you something about what american people are like.
I’m afraid, the reality check would be very bad - in the form of nuclear exchange, in the form of nuclear blasts all over the US territory. Seems that may be the only way to bring the US population to proper vision of reality.
On a lighter note - a joke - during the USSR time - Famous fortune-teller is asked the question - “Would the Big War happen?” - the answer - “No, there would be no Big War, but we’ll fight for Peace in a way that it would be hard to tell the difference” => welcome to this future.
Thanks for the comments. I agree with you on much of what you say. But you are wrong that there are no protesters from the US. We do protest, however our bought and paid for media propogandist simply ignore any protest. If a tree falls in the woods and nobody hears it does it make a noise?
I don’t believe that the destruction of much of the world would be good for anyone. So we had better hope the People of the US wake up in some other way. Yes the sheeple that walk around my country make me sick. But you must realize just how powerfull the propoganda machine is. The schools, Media, even many Churches support an all powerfull state machine. It’s not as obvious as that of the former USSR however, it is probably even more affective becuase it appears to give us a choice, left vs right, when in fact their isn’t a dimes worth of difference between the two. That is the first thing we need to realize. Knowledge is power, spread the word and wake up the sheeple, it’s our only hope at this point.
On “sphere of influence”
Ok, so the US is expanding it’s sphere of influence pretty much to my home in Moscow. And the proposed action for Russia?
Yes, Russia would LOVE to see Georgia, Ukraine, Baltics, Poland and Chezh republic to act like Finland or, ideally, Switzerland. But they do not - they do not have independent Govts. there.
But I know the reason why - these territories are not countries. They never actually WON the fight for their independence. Unlike Finland for example. Hence the problem - they are not states, they are US protectorates.
Same is true about most of Europe, including Germany. Same is NOT true about Switzerland. Etc.
Russia had won deadly wars for it’s independence MORE TIMES THEN ANY COUNTRY that exists now.
Poland has been invaded and occupied more than Russia. Thier acceptance of US aid is a direct result of the former policies of the USSR, Germany, and France. The same is true of the other US protectorates. I don’t believe it’s the job of the US to protect any nation but the US and it’s people. Sticking our nose in where it doesn’t belong will bring us nothing but grief in the long run. I believe the same is true for Russia. They would be better off spending their time and resourses keeping themselves strong and free. The advent of the nuclear age and bombs makes this not only possible but the best solution for all of us. does a country with the ability to destroy the world really need to fear invasion? I understand the USSR’s need for a buffer after the great wars, however it just isn’t neccessary in the current world of MAD.
Peace!
Brave Ossetian woman. Good stuff. Thanks, Antiwar.
Recoiling from the rank hypocrisy displayed in western media, does not necessarily make the Russians all right, all the time. But you know that.
Notice, how even here West is anti-Russian.
Firstly, how can anybody view Russia as being MORE aggressive then the US/UK?
Let’s look at the facts since 1945. Russia:
1) Hungary - police operation, but with 100s people killed - although NOT civilians in their homes, not through use of weapons of semi-mass destruction (like GRAD or artillery).
2) Prague - police operation, maybe 10 people killed, in accidents - under the tanks maybe, but not from shooting
3) Afganistan - BAD WAR OF CHOICE. Resulted in USSR collapse pretty much.
4) Chechnja - the war started when Kremlin was ruled by the US in a way similar to Gerogia now. Eltsin was doing whatever his Western advisers would tell him. NOT until “KGB officer” came to power the war, leading before that to thousands killed and suffering - ended. So - with Chechnja at least there is a pattern - the more affiliation with the West - the more blood there.
So… did I miss something? Maybe Poland, but I’m not sure - still a police operation.
5) Georgia 2008 - clear police operation, at least by now. US may try to ignite it further, but let’s hope there is not enough US troops on hands to do that.
Then, I can’t even count the number of “Police operations” by the US from 1945. Since there are 800 military based, would be safe to say that there were 800 at least :-) But let’s looks at major “Wars of Choice”, with systematic killing of civilians. Once again, only Afgan and Chechen war can be compared to this:
1) Nuclear bombing of Japan
2) Korea
3) Vietnam
4) Yugoslavia
5) Afganistan
6) Iraq 2003
And I guess quite few of US “Police operatons” resulted in 100s or 1000s of civilians killed.
And let’s agree - Russia decided to subscribe to “Antiwar” ideology in 1991. That resulted in NATO moving closer with each year, and US missiles moving closer each year as well. It is VERY sad to see, how ideals of anti-war movement of 60s/70s/80s proved to be completely Utopian. Sad indeed.
Vassili,
Thanks for the trip down memory lane. Your point is well taken. However subconsciously, even the MSM acknowledge that the USA is now the Evil Empire. Does anyone else recall the sub-heads after the 9-11 attacks? In particular, I’m thinking of the “America Strikes Back” running subhead, day after day. Just change that “America” to “The Empire,” and the Freudian slip comes into full view.
(7) Lebanon (twice)
(8) Panama
(9) Guatemala (covert)
(10) Nicaragua (covert)
(11) Chile (covert)
(12) Colombia (covert)
(13) Cuba (semi-covert and continuing)
(14) San Salvador (covert)
(15) Venezuela (covert)
(16) Haiti
(17) Grenada
And the addendum is still incomplete.
(18) Iran (twice–covert and overt)
(19) Philippines (covert)
(20) Laos (overt and covert)
(21) Cambodia (overt and covert)
So many poeple seem to forget or ignore the war against Iraq in 1991 that the US claimed was in response to Iraq invasion of Kuwait with same type of lies.The US made sure that Kuwait did not relieve Iraq of its debts to Kuwait,the US giving Iraq the green light to invade,the incubaters babies story.The US made sure that Kuwaiti infestraucters were destryed in the so called the liberation of Kuwait.But before the libration of Kuwait even started the US made sure that the Amir of Kuwait give all the contracts of rebuilding the country to American companies specilly Bechtel!
Vassili,
Why not tell the WHOLE story?
Here is your list:
1) Nuclear bombing of Japan
2) Korea
3) Vietnam
4) Yugoslavia
5) Afganistan
6) Iraq 2003
Is it really so cut and dried that the US was the bad guy in all of those? What are the facts?
1) Is it not true that imperial Japan bombed Pearl Harbor in a sneak attack on 7 December 1941? Had they not also made a pact with Hitler? Had they not also invaded China and the Philipines? (By the way I do not think we should have dropped a nuclear bomb on Japan either, however, don’t act like Truman just did it for laughs.)
2) Did not North Korea, asisted by China attack South Korea? Is it not true that even until today N. Korea is a totalitarian dictatorship while S. Korea is free and democratic?
3) No arguement on Vietnam, I don’t think we should have gotton into that.
4)Yugoslavia. Did not the Serbs massacre thousands of innocent Bosnian Muslims? The Srebrenica massacre accounted for over 7,000 innocent children, women and men murdered in one day. Don’t we have a moral obligation to do something about wickedness of that caliber?
5) Afghanistan…um do the words Taliban and Al Quida ring a bell? 9/11/01??? hello?!
6) Iraq. Yes it was probably a mistake to get involved there but again tell the whole story. Saddam was a brutal and evil man who killed tens of thousands of innocents. He invaded Kuwait in 1990 and when he lost the Persian Gulf War he signed a peace treaty that he later violated more times than I can count.
Your brief historical vignettes demand attention for what they omit:
1) Japan was maneuvered into firing the first shot by Roosevelt after he had suspended oil imports and financed Japan’s enemies- among them the brutal Chiang Kai-shek- in China. Parenthetically, it is clear that the US regarded the Japanese threat in purely economic terms- the War Department’s memo warned of dire consequences resulting from the loss of American markets in the Far East. The same applies to Germany. Of course, that would not have been a problem save for the state-enforced regulatory cartelization and tariffs of industry that prevented the prices of goods from falling to the point of market clearance and necessitated the expansion of overseas markets to allow industry to operate at full capacity while retaining monopoly profits. The situation could be resolved by, among other things, dismantling the incipient state-corporate nexus but this would have been unpopular with big business, Roosevelt’s primary constituency. For an excellent treatment of the topic, I recommend the following:
Monopoly Capitalism and Imperialism by Kevin Carson: http://www.mutualist.org/id78.html
The Role of State Monopoly Capitalism in the American Empire by Joseph Stromberg: http://mises.org/journals/jls/15_3/15_3_3.pdf
2) The creation of the North-South divide was America’s doing, after the ephemeral Korean People’s Republic was abolished by (American) decree. Due to the intensity of Korean nationalism many in Korea preferred unification- even on the North’s terms.
3) For once, I agree with you.
4) Milosevic was very much a Stalinoid authoritarian of the old school, not the ethnic chauvinist he is depicted as- his electoral platform was one of maintaining the integrity of the old FSRY. The break-up of Yugoslavia and resulting cycle of ethnic violence resulted from Western, particularly European, support for the breakaway states of Slovenia and Croatia, within whom ultranationalist parties were far stronger than in Serbia. The Badington Commission ruled against the right of considerable Serbian minorities within the constituent republics to secede, a ruling that was subsequently upheld after the Yugoslav wars. The result, naturally, was Serbian support for ethnic nationalism within the perpetrator of Srebenica, the Republika Srpska. This is the political context that you elide.
5) Curiously, the US government refused to present Afghanistan with evidence of Bin Laden’s wrongdoing. This could be read multiple ways, but my personal hypothesis is that the 9/11 attacks were conceived and executed by some lower echelon of Al-Qaeda.
6) Saddam’s invasion of Kuwait was triggered by the latter’s violation of oil production quotas and the slant-drilling into the Rumaila oil field. The former had a devastating economic impact upon Iraq. The catalyst for the invasion, however, was America’s refusal to take a stance on the issue until the eve of the invasion. While not strictly relevant, it is also worthwhile to note that the US systematically destroyed Iraq’s civilian infrastructure and subjected it to a series of crippling economic sanctions that were directly responsible for the deaths of a million Iraqi children.
So the US definitively occupies the position of “bad guy”. Naturally it does not differ in this respect from any other state, its particular character being determined by its internal structure rather than anything so nebulous as “ideology”.
“Recoiling from the rank hypocrisy displayed in western media, does not necessarily make the Russians all right, all the time. ”
I don’t like the idea of Russia invading ex-USSR states any more than you do, and definitely, an outright attempt to conquer Georgia or the Ukraine would constitute a “red line.”
But the fact is, the posters here are right, as is Pat Buchanan in his excellent article– we needlessly, stupidly baited Russia with things like Kosovo (which “gained” us an al-Qaeda allied KLA narcostate in the Balkans) and the missile shield– when we had a wonderful opportunity, post-1991, to effectively ally with Russia and outline a zone of common interests. There is simply no reason that the USA and Russia had to become hostile, save for the deferred dreams of some idiot Cold Warriors who are still stuck in 1962.
[W]e needlessly, stupidly baited Russia with things like Kosovo (which “gained” us an al-Qaeda allied KLA narcostate in the Balkans).
Being ever the cynic, I’m not at all sure that this stupidity can be classified as “unforeseen consequences” or that it is the result of simple brainlessness on the part of our overlords. Incubating an enclave of Islamic extremism within Europe created the fuel for some truly nasty blowback of the type that manifested itself on 9/11/01, exactly the sort of event that our overlords needed to justify heaping their plates with even more helpings of illegitimate and unconstitutional power. Although this particular instance of blowback had its origins elsewhere in the world, the cause and effect were the same.
There’s always a method to the madness…
Go to pravda.ru and read the “why dont you shut up,bush”
There seem to have been a direct american involvement in the fighting…..
So when the truth comes to FOX as a news, cutting & not informing public becomes a normal practise.Doing that we are the public been informed by FOX that we should newer on the FOX news anymore.
Get the hunch that so the CNN so the CNBC, ONLY WHEN THERE IS AN ENTERTAINMENT.
I wonder why public is not informed properly how much sponsor gets these channels from oil companies & sponsor from War industries it is mind boggling
Goodness, truth from Fox News! I was not sure who was the original aggressor until I heard that -good job!. I suspect Russia has been ratcheting up tensions for quite some time and all they needed was an excuse for a pre-planned military operation. However, this young girl makes a very compelling witness implicating Georgian Government in mass murder their own citizens - committing war crimes of which there is no excuse and erases any good will or moral authority they gain by helping us in Iraq. Smells like another shameful, incompetent job by Condi Rice formulating a policy of arming and encouraging these morons.
Read here Joe. A piece of what is happening behind what is happening.
http://www.worldreports.org/news/158_settlement_funds_scammed_daily_put_back_at_4.00pm
To top of the lies she has told and crimes she has committed against humanity in her roles in the Bush administration, Condoleezza Rice fails with a bang, and with characteristic criminality, at her supposed specialty: Sovietology. She has declared that she is going back to “Academic Life” after the Bush presidency. Is it that the American Academia has become the last refuge of the scoundrel?
Why is the news and information around the world so corrupted? How come we are given different stories in the main news. Anyone talking about independent media seems to be given the “aliens exist” look by others. Hopefully a video like this one will spark the flame for a few and lead them to research what is what.
Good stuff. There are lies behind lies behind lies……
Bush wanted Georgia in NATO so that bases could be built around Russia. The Russians are not stupid. Bush and his cronies had better stop messing with the world. His interference will bring this country down while he sanctimoniously brings “democracy to all nations.”
When will the Bush nightmare be over, Lord?
The answer to your last question is “never.” We’ve only seen the beginning, and it will only be perpetuated by whichever half of the Obamacain monster takes possession of the royal diadem next January.
Was not this same FOX that took off the air the stories about the Israeli spy networks cought redhanded in 2001!?
It gets more interesting. Shaakashvili was none to friendly with the Rupert Murdoch co-owned local television station until the other Georgian co-owner was killed. Check this:
“Incidentally, Arkady Patarkatsishvili, the co-owner with Rupert Murdoch of Georgia’s most popular television station Imedi, under pressure for years to sell out to the Saakashvili government, was found dead in London in February 2008 under suspicious circumstances, a few months after Saakashvili had Imedi taken off the air, and a few weeks after Patarkatsishvili stated that he had obtained a tape recording of Georgian authorities ordering a hit on him from a Chechen warlord. Another report has representatives of Saakashvili offering Patarkatsishvili to exchange the entire Georgian railway system for Imedi a few days before Patarkatsishvili’s death. Since the death of Patarkatsishvili, Imedi has mysteriously turned pro-Saakashvili. See:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imedi
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Badri_Patarkatsishvili
http://www.civil.ge/eng/article.php?id=16331
http://www.civil.ge/eng/article.php?id=16428
PRICELESS!!!!!
Fox is good ONLY for American Idol. Fox is disgrace to Journalism. Fox’s color is Yellow.
Sam,
Fox is also good for “Hell’s Kitchen” and “Kitchen Nightmares.” What a shame they are taking us to the one place and giving us the other!
Haha, good one…taking us to Hell’s Kitchen and giving us Nightmares. I would laugh even harder if I knew it wasn’t true. :/
I like the way the woman got in that little extra dig, “I know this is not what you want to hear….”
She knows exactly who she’s dealing with.
I wonder whether before the broadcast she perhaps misled them as to what she was going to say, in order to make sure she’d get the chance to talk. What a coup!
“I like the way the woman got in that little extra dig, “I know this is not what you want to hear….
She knows exactly who she’s dealing with.”
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It’s possible she grew up in the USSR and knew a propagandic news organization when she saw it.
You’re so true - the first time I’ve visited the US in 1990, after trip to France, the biggest shock was plastic cup with coffee in the US. I tasted it and said - “Wait a second, is the the all-mighty US, or are we back in the USSR? Coffee is even worse”. Since that time though a glimpse of freedom in the form of “Starbacks” happened :-)
And - yes - the newspapers in the US are very much like USSR “Pravda”, especially on the first few pages (”Pravda” had only 8 pages). Reading “between the lines” is no big deal for someone with USSR past :-(. “White is called black, and aggressor is called the victim” - exactly.
“Freedom is slavery, Peace is War and Ignorance is Power” This is the US ruled portion of the World today. Honestly, when I was reading that book, interestingly year was 1984, and I’ll admit, I did not understand THAT slogan - it was nothing like I’ve seen around. I’ve seen “Glory to Communist Party of the USSR!” slogan, as well as “Peace to the World”, but that was not quite that. Of course, someone of UK origin would write about HIS world, not mine. And I clearly remember people saying to each other - “If we have “Peace” slogan all over, how come we’re in Afganistan?”
And - yes - the newspapers in the US are very much like USSR “Pravda”
Now wait a minute, Vassili, that’s not fair to Pravda. I’m sure the writers and editors Pravda knew (and probably still know) how to put coherent sentences together that literate adults could read. :)~
Those brave foot soldiers at Fox — suppressing those preteen girls and their aunts who dare to clog the stovepipe. Balls of steel, I tell ya! (BBs, that is. Implants, at that.)
Its good the way Russia made the U.S. look ridiculous and revealed its weakness for the whole world to see. The USA could do nothing for its protege when the chips were down. America also unwittingly revealed its blatant hypocrisy to the whole world with its reaction. It must be infuriating for Washington’s elites to accept they can do nothing and have to swallow the fact that the world does not revolve around them. Look how tough the USA was with little Serbia, Panama, and of course, Iraq. Where is the tough guy now? U.S. foreign policy could be written by a schoolyard bully. And we all know bullies only pick on those weaker then themselves.
I agree. But, somehow, when the US does react, I fear that the victims will not be Russia, but the other nations that will deal with Russia’s counter-attack. The US is separated on both sides by vast oceans. However, the countries where the volatility is occurring are all in attack range of one another.
I honestly feel the US foreign policy would be vastly different if there weren’t the two geographic defenses (oceans) separating it from the rest of the world.
OK, so what is Russia supposed to do - if US occupied these territories, and then starting to use them for attacks against Russia, of course people that live there would suffer.
THE VERY ORIGINAL BLAME IS ON RUSSIA (USSR), FOR LETTING THESE TERRITORIES GO.
But what is is done. I hope Russia would be able to act on the US more by economics, but SOME military action is inevitable unfortunately.
Tell you the sad trough - IDEALLY THE DIRECT MILITARY FIGHT BETWEEN US AND RUSSIAN TROOPS.
If in such an even US would run as Georgians did, Russia’s position in the World would be restored with much less blood of 3rd parties.
I’m sure there is a great deal of truth to that. It is the idea that the USA is free from retaliation that encourages certain elements in Washington to engage in meddling overseas.
I hate to be the one to evey say anything nice about Fox but I don’t think they were cut off. I’m impressed that Fox actually came back from commercial break and let them finish their rant. In the past I’ve seen Fox actually cut people off in mid sentence blamming it on a technical error or loss of feed. They may not have liked what was being said but they let it play put.
Impressed with Fox for first time!
I’m impressed that Dahmer let one get away with her torso intact.
In truth, Dahmer’s victims were all young men. Living only three blocks from him I suppose he eyed me for a snack, but happily a)I wasn’t his type and b)I was twice his size and would have kicked his skinny ass.
Well, even looking at this possible beginning of Russia’s resurgence as a world power is a mixed blessing, it is nonetheless a very clear blessing, and not because of anything in either the nature of Russia or of the Russian government. It is a good thing because it may be the beginning of the end of the “sole remaining superpower” mentality that has defined the US government’s mindset almost since the death of the USSR. The articles on antiwar.com today only just hint at the sense of humiliation on the part of Bush, Rice, etc. at having to give in to the Russians while simultaneously huffing and puffing at them. The cease fire agreement negotiated by Rice even includes expanded peacekeeping roles for Russian troops (at Russian insistence!), and apparently does not return Ossetia or Abkhazia to Georgia! After years of arrogant, post-911 self-righteousness, it is good to watch the bastards squirm, realizing that, for all their blustery rhetoric, they can do nothing! It is good for the world that US unipolarity is dying, and it is good for the world to see. While one may not always look back fondly at the Cold War, it did have one great advantage — it occasionally forced our government to practice restraint, and no doubt had a similar effect on the Russian government.
One further thought on this conflict: I don’t believe Saakashvili had the “green light” from Washington. I think he believed that with all the rehetorical and material support from Washington, he believed that he could get a retroactive “green light” if he could pull off a lightning strike and announce that he had retaken Ossetia before the Russians could react effectively. This would have almost certainly earned Georgia it’s coveted place in NATO, and dispelled any lingering European doubts about NATO expansion. The Russians have turned this on it’s head.
Yet one more further thought: the Georgians also had Israeli trainers. Now, given that Israeli aligned US neocons were instrumental in getting the US to attack Iraq (no, these were not the sole influences or motivations), is this perhaps a quid pro quo for America acceding to carry out the invasion of Iraq? Israel has no vital interests in that part of the world, and angering Russia is an incredibly stupid thing for a country like Israel to do, since Russia does not actively encourage any of it’s military enemies. Befriending a second, or even third, major power would in fact be far more useful to Israel, given it’s geographical and economic situation. Remember: it was the US neocon hawks that pressured Israel to fire the guy who was selling missiles to the Chinese during the Sharon administration (something they had been doing for many years before). On the other hand, controlling the Caspian oil pipeline and ringing Russia with bases is in US imperial interests, as is controlling Iraqi oil. So, let me suggest to Raimondo and his fan club here, that while he is right to criticize the neocons, their Israelocentrism, and their role in pushing the US towards war, they should not be blinded into Israelophobia, which I will define here as ascribing an overwhelming, near total level of control of US policy to Israel and it’s US supporters. Israel did not make the US invade Panama, Grenada, or support the Nicaraguan contras, nor did Israel demand action in Kosovo, among so many other places. Let me suggest here that while it may seem to many here that it is a matter of the Israeli tail wagging the US dog, this analogy is both inapt and inept. A better analogy would be a hyperactive, cantankerous dog held on a varying-length leash by an indulgent, but clever owner who understands that he can never fully train his dog, but understands also that if he keeps the dog well fed and occasionally lets him run his leash (and applies the very occasional sharp tug), he can rely on him to attack whomever he wishes. It worked during the Cold War, when Israel sold weapons to Honduras, Guatemala, South Africa, and other regimes the US didn’t want to sell directly to. It is in fact an analogy more in line with the notion that Israel is America’s imperial gendarme, not it’s master. This would also entailing a reexamination of the notion that the US is only now becoming an empire: it has been one for a damn long time.