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Well, at least one member of the War Party: terror analyst Harvey Kushner. Scott did a great job in their debate at Texas A&M University. It is hard to sit through Kushner’s crap, but I recommend that you check it out.
Note that Kushner refused to shake Scott’s hand after the debate.
Update: For those having trouble with the streaming video, MP3 here.
Update 2: YouTube version here.
This is quite a long video, its about the length of a feature film (about an hour and a half), but I’d advise anyone with the time and the patience to give it a watch. This Kushner fellow is nothing short of astonishing: no sooner did he dismiss the idea of trials for terrorists by saying “you kill ‘em,” than he estimated that 10% of the world’s Muslim population, some 150 million people, are “problematic” in this regard.
Scott does a tremendous job, though I wish he could’ve gotten a few more rebuttals at some more opportune moments.
All Khomeni followers , Al Qaedists, and Bathists are fascist bigots.
I tell you what let them give up their war and the US won’t bother them.
Sounds like a terrific idea. If the US goes home and stops bothering them, I’m sure they will give up their war.
There’s just the little matter of all that ‘oil’. Oh well, I guess that means the war goes on…and on…and on…and on…
The war is more about Israel than oil.
Great job Scott! Eric, you were right it was hard to sit through that guy’s crap. Did they say he has a PhD? Well if that dumbass has a PhD then I’m not so nervous about pursuing mine. Keep looking at made-up reasons for why they attack and specious reasoning for why violence in Iraq is down, we’ll all be a lot safer for it. It is rare you hear someone that stupid speak at a debate whose last name isn’t Guiliani.
Scott,
Regarding democracy, the Franklin quote about two wolves and a sheep was good. However, you should have said: “It’s a republic.” I don’t think Kushner is a dumbass. He’s a polished liar.
Those of you outside Texas may not be aware of the dichotomy here. Scott lives in Austin, where Obama will get about 80% of the vote. He was in what may be the most neo-con place in the country. The rivalry between UT-Austin and TA&MU goes way beyond sports.
Personally, I think Kushner’s a polished liar AND a dumbass! He’s a rabid Zionofascist, an everything-for- Israel bastard.
Best regards to Scott Horton.
It was Scott’s answer on the last question, about Israel, that upset Kushner so much that he would not shake his hand and the end of the debate.
Thanks for going out there Scott. You have a lot of courage and spoke it well.
Scott, you did a terrific job. It’s tough to have to wade through so much bull***t. You kept your head and remembered the facts — one after another and in great quantity. I can’t think of many libertarian debaters that could’ve matched your performance in such a setting. Even better, unlike Ron Paul, you did not backpedal and take back half of your best statements when challenged. You came out swinging. Bravissimo!
Mr. Horton, I am impressed. While you had the advantage of truth, rationality, and sanity over lies, arbitrary irrationality, and insanity (which taken together might also be said to constitute “Doctor” Kushner’s academic credentials), your defense of the truth was splendid and I hope inspiring to others.
An intelligent young man asked me recently where the leaders of his generation could be found. Next time I see him I will tell him about one. Your “cool” in the face of that toxic s**t storm of irrationality and lies was heroic.
Harvey Kushner is as frightening an enemy of the republic as any Israeli Firster I have ever heard.
And he has one hideous and menacing mug. See for yourself.
http://www.harveykushner.com/
It looks like his eyes have been retouched or he is a spice-eater from Frank Herbert’s Dune.
The Texas A&M engagement is mentioned under appearances on his web-site, but it doesn’t say that it is a debate. Also, there is no mention of the debate in his blog. Probably just has not had the time.
Great job Scott,
I didn’t want it to end. It was great to see you loose your train of thought and still take it all in stride. It shows you really know your stuff to be able to recover from a complete mind blank in front of an attentive audience without missing a beat. I hope you can continue the debating circuit to expose the rest of the war party as you exposed Kushner for the putz that he is. You are a valuable asset to the anti-war crowd. I wish we had even one like you in the main stream media as you made more sense in your brief comments than all the pundits combined that I’ve listened to in the msm since 9-11-2001.
I would like to know some names of the fifth column that Herr Kushner mentions quite a bit. Ward Churchill might be an ass but I doubt he is an active member of Al Qaeda. Too bad you didn’t have enough time to take on the blatant racism of Kushner either, inferring that Obama is a terrorist due to his middle name, and that just about all Muslims are terrorists. If this were true then we would be mathematically fu**ked.
That said, good job Scott, bully to you. Also nice to put a face to the voice.
Fifth column are all those who oppose the US actions in the world over!
It may be a bit stricter : “All those who oppose the Neo-Cons in any word or deed the world over.”
I noticed at the very beginning that the moderator was highly inarticulate, and sounded a little confused. It all made sense at the end, when he mentioned YCT. That stands for Young Conservatives of Texas, who are basically a gang of proto-Brownshirts. I called them “Young Cossacks/Commisars/Conquistadors of Texas” a few years ago during my nightmarish time at Southern Methodist University. I think Scott Horton gave them more than they bargained for.
Molly Ivins apparently said that one of her proudest achievements was getting banned from speaking at Texas A&M.
Blast… “Commissars,” not “Commisars.”
Harvey W. Kushner
Harvey W. Kushner (Ph.D., New York University) is Professor and Chair of the Department of Criminal Justice at Long Island University. An internationally recognized authority on terrorism, Kushner has shared his expertise with government agencies, including the FBI, Federal Aviation Administration, Immigration and Naturalization Service, and U.S. Customs. He also worked for the U.S. Probation Department as an analyst for criminal investigations, intelligence, and terrorism. He has advised and lectured on matters of international terrorism at the Naval War College, the FBI Academy, the FBI’s Behavioral Science Unit, and the United Nations in Vienna, Austria, among others. Kushner has experience with a variety of high-profile court cases involving international terrorism, including those involving the World Trade Center attacks. After the September 11, 2001, attacks on the United States, Kushner was asked to testify on terrorism and safety in New York City’s public spaces before the Committee of Public Safety of the Council of the City of New York. He was invited by 9/11 Commission to participate in a VIP-briefing before the release of its final report, and he appeared as a terrorism expert before the DHS’s Homeland Security Advisory Council. A variety of publications, including the New York Times, have called Kushner the “go-to-expert” for plain talk about the subject of terrorism. He can be seen regularly on CNN, the Fox News Channel, and MSNBC and in articles in the Associated Press, the Washington Post, and the New York Times. A widely published and best-selling author, Kushner’s work includes Holy War on the Home Front: The Secret Islamic Terror Network in the United States and the Encyclopedia of Terrorism, considered the gold-standard of terrorism reference works. As a member of the working press, Kushner is an associate editor for the Airport Press and writes a column about aviation security. Dr. Kushner’s career as a college administrator and professor spans more than three decades.
[http://www.sagepub.com/authorDetails.nav?contribId=504379]
College adminstrator? Professor of what? This looks like the typical Neo-Con “academic resume”. Being an “expert on “Terrorism” has clearly become a cottage industry.
Ever wondered that most of these so-called terrorism experts have a very strong connection to a certain entity in the middle east.They all have advance knoweldge of what is going to happen.
Scott,
When talking about Israel, you should always bring up the USS Liberty. It’s amazing how many people don’t even know that it happened.
I have personally mentioned this subject to over 100 people and not one of them had ever even heard of it. A number insisted I was lying or must be mistaken.
what happened?
Congratulations Scott. You did a great job.
“I think we make a major mistake when we elevate Islam to a religion comparable to the Judaic-Christian heritage that this country was founded on.”
“I would have went[sic] in to Afghanistan way before we did and I would also have went[sic] in preemptively into other regions of that world as well.”
“If you have 1.5 billion Muslims in the world you are looking at 150 million people who are here to kill you.”
Dr. Harvey Kushner, Ph.D.
One looks forward to a lecture from the cultured and erudite Doctor Kushner on the militant Zionism and anti-Islamism of those raised in areas of New York in which the past participle of “to go” is “to have went”.
Corr: “compound past infinitive”.
I saw the debate last night and indeed it was tiring to hear that Kushner fellow yapping on and on in that boring monotonous voice about things that at times I suspect he had a hard time convincing himself. But in all honesty that feeling could also be effected by my disbelief at hearing someone with such credentials talk so much bullshit.
Kushner has polished his rethorical skills slightly over the years you can tell. I particularly liked how he grabbed the opportunity tying beginning to end of the enitre argument, thereby creating the illusion of coherence where there is none.
I now see why, taking into consideration the comment of Bad Religion about what type of audience was being addressed directly, Kushner, perhaps accostumed to that type of behavior tailored his argument to the audience by changing it half way into a McCain campaign talk and dutifully repeated all the campaign talking points including ridiculous smears. Perhaps he thought a pile of sugarcoated dogshit is easier swallowed than the pure stuff, perhaps the McCain campaign is really at the top of his priorities. It would seem so if you take his word for it, but that would ever so slightly completely undermine the worth of bringing the weight of his “expertise” to the discussion as he quite frequently tried to when his argument was getting really, really spurious.
Too bad for his rep though it was taped and other, knowledgeable people get to see it. Kushner lost more than the debate, he lost his standing as a professional. This debate is testimony to that.
Scott as always was inspiring to hear. He indeed had the advantage of having the truth on his side and he might lack the polished rethorical slickness of his opponent and I hope he forever continues to be so, because it guarantees you to either see a an honest and genuine person trying his best to share his ideas and for who they being true is absolutely crucial, or see a person lie.
And mastering rethorics does not always protect you from the latter as Kushner succeeded in demonstrating.
The irony is bitterly amusing from a Muslim standpoint. Prior to Zionism, it was Jewish scholars who looked sympathetically at Islam and mostly Christians in academia who fulminated against it. Once Israel was established, though, with all its well-documented massacring and ethnic cleansing of Muslims, most emerging Jewish scholars decided Islam was basically Nazism. How convenient.
I always have to chuckle when I hear this amusing phraseology “Judeo-Christian civilization.” I am no Phd, but I thought it was just two generations ago that a major Protestant Christian country incinerated six million Jews in the furnaces. Guess you can’t let little details about actual fascism get in the way of a good rant against Islamo-fascism.
Also, the links between Islamic civilization and the Western renaissance are undeniable. Whether it was translation, preservation, and enrichment of classic Greek works - which Christians came to study in Baghdad or Andalusia - or contributions in the maths and sciences like Algebra and the astrolabe, European learning from Islam was indispensable.
But no, Islam cannot be “elevated” or “comparable” to the other two monothiesms, says our good professor.
It’s a pretty pathetic state of affairs when you see a Jewish scholar advocating a genocide of 25 times as many people (”150 million people who are here to kill you”) as Hitler did.
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From a Muslim standpoint, Kushner’s bigotry is most amusing to see on full display.
What is “Judeo-Christian civilization?” Not the same civilization in which 50 years ago Christian Protestants incinerated 6 million Jews, is it? Not the same civilization in which Europeans studied in Baghdad and Andalusia to learn Arabic contributions to algebra, the astrolabe, and additions to and translations and preservation of ancient Greek texts, is it? Not the same civilization in which Israel, according to its own historians, commits massacres and ethnic cleansing of Arabs, 15% of whom are Christians, is it?
No no, none of this happened. We have to invent a new Israel-centric narrative, one which demonizes Muslims, so as to drag the U.S. into a permanent war with Islam and thus assign Israel permanent special status as the central friendly front of this war.
From a Muslim standpoint, Kushner’s bigotry is most amusing to see on full display.
What is “Judeo-Christian civilization?” Not the same civilization in which 50 years ago Christian Protestants incinerated 6 million Jews, is it? Not the same civilization in which Europeans studied in Baghdad and Andalusia to learn Arabic contributions to algebra, the astrolabe, and additions to and translations and preservation of ancient Greek texts, is it? Not the same civilization in which Israel, according to its own historians, commits massacres and ethnic cleansing of Arabs, 15% of whom are Christians, is it?
What a transparent gambit. We have to invent a new Israel-centric narrative, one which demonizes Muslims, so as to drag the U.S. into a permanent war with Islam, and thus assign Israel permanent special status as the front line of a war of its own making.
Hey, Scott, you really got that lizard on the back foot towards the end (notice how he kept shifting from foot to foot, like a metronome? that is a hypnotic technique, to force the audience to follow him with its eyes). Anyway, it’s great that he had to finish with the statement, basically, “at least Israel doesn’t fly aeroplanes into our tall buildings!”
No, Israel doesn’t fly planes into our buildings. Instead, they’re happy to let Americans fight and die for ‘em in the Middle East; they tried to provoke war between the U.S. and Egypt in 1954 (”Lavon Affair”); they shot the hell out of U.S.S. LIBERTY; and they let the U.S. cover for ‘em in the United Nations.
Wonderful “allies,” the boys back in Tel Aviv!
Were is your proof about the USS liberty.
I would say the US is just voting the way its sees the facts at the UN.
Why ought the US not vote the way it sees the facts at the UN?
Cause Bathists, Khomeni followers and Al Qaedists threaten to blow stuff up if the US doesn’t do what they say.
Entangling alliances is not the American way but giving into fascist bigots isn’t the American way either.
Horton is a person that I really respect. That dude has been ridiculed, trashed, vilified and slandered for YEARS by the war pigs - and still he stands up to the slime. Balls of steel.
God Bless America.
Oops, I thought there was an unmentioned word limit on here and assumed my first four posts never went through due to length, as they didn’t immediately load. Sorry about that.
“I think we make a major mistake when we elevate Islam to a religion comparable to the Judaic-Christian heritage that this country was founded on.”
As many above have seen the key element here is the creation of the supposed “Judaeo-Christian” religion–here synthesized as a “heritage” and made “American”–that both excludes Islam as a genuine “religion”, and, ever the victim, also turns the Islamic world into the aggressor and the terrorist as a matter of text and faith, against a “West” that is supposedly “democratic”.
This is pure Straussianism, reduced to bare bones, and though considerably less sophisticated even than the Naziesque political “philosophy” (read sophistry) of Leo Strauss himself.
What is ironic is that Kushner, clearly a Zionist, by his own language and the use of “Judaio-Christian”, actually identifies himself as a secular Jew, that is, like the Straussians in general, someone who believes neither in Judaism nor Christianity nor Islam (obviously) but who finds manipulating others into religious war a useful political tool.
Scott’s in Wikipedia!
“It wasn’t easy going into Iraq. We knew of the difference between Sunni, Shiite, and Kurd”.
Dr. Harvey Kushner, Ph.D.
Er, ah, Kurds are an ethnic group, not a religion, and are overwhelmingly Sunnis.
One wonders too, if ten percent of all Muslims want to kill “you” (”Judaio-Christian Americans”), does that mean ten percent of the Turks, an erstwhile close U.S. and Israeli ally and also Muslim, want to kill “you” too?
Someone should really put the eminent Dr. Kushner’s performance here on youtube, where Turks, for example, can see it.
Another irony–were Dr. Kushner to express his incendiary hatred of Islam in Israel, he would very likely be prosecuted and silenced.
Yes.indeed.. The filthy no-good Zio-Nazi’s refusal to show good sportsmanship with a common hand-shake says it all. America, Behold: The Enemy A domestic Enemy Of The Constitution. Thanks for bringing this one to our attention.
Zionism = Nazim
There is one Nazi here you.
David Christe is a bigot.
“anti-Semetic”, “one of the most poorest”
Dr. Harvey Kushner, Ph.D.
Chair of a Department at “Long Island University”? Is that an accredited university? What language do they happen to use in their instruction? Anyone know?
As a Ph.D, a professor, and a chair, is this Dr. Kushner, Ph.D., part of a graduate student program giving other people doctorates?
Perhaps one hadn’t oughta have went there.
Not to belittle Scott’s increasingly excellent command of the facts, but this is why they put so much effort into dictating the terms of mainstream political discourse. This wasn’t a debate. Dr. Kushner told us the institutionally-sanctioned fairy tale du jour and defended it with argument by authority. By contrast, Scott simply did some well-informed, well-referenced truth-telling and revealed Kushner for the fanatic nut job he is.
This made my day.
I sort of got a kick out of the way Dr. Kushner seemed to look down on Scott for citing experts and journalists for his facts. How much easier would it be if we could get away with just claiming ourselves to be infallible sources and then manufacture out of wholecloth any fact we need to support our position?
I guess in Dr. Kushner’s case its more a matter of necessity than convenience, however, because the facts simply to do not lend themselves to his position.
Note how Kushner refuses to shake Scott’s hand! How utterly juvenile. How immature. How totally and completely immature. Somebody disagrees with me so I won’t shake their hand. This in the land of the free, with free speech considered a sacred right. Grow up buddy. Get some maturity.
Scoring this debate from a logical standpoint, since Kushner never made an argument that wasn’t a fallacy, therefor never posited a single valid argument, you can’t actually give him a single point. This debate wasn’t even as close as most people seem to think. Scott basically destroyed him.
Scott - excellent job! Keep up the great work for liberty!
Name Your Game
‘Operation evening light’
for a ‘bold mariner’ without the ‘beacon torch’
all names that sound benign
like eleven past nine
but the ‘beacon star and ‘beacon torch’
don’t do benign
The ‘anvil’ and the ‘eagle claw’
are not for a bird of prey or for a blacksmith
The ‘prime chance’ of the ‘prayerful mantis’
the ‘grand slam’ of the ‘nimble archer’
name the names of operations
the life lifting ones
from the ‘tomahawk’ to the ‘arc light’
to the ‘steel tiger’ and ‘barrel roll’
the naming game, the mating game
not to mention…. the coveted warrior
go on the same.
Name your game
What is the toll in life and love
of all these operations?
Were they for revenge plunder or power?
Did they favor the will of a higher power?
for ‘infinite justice’ ain’t just for the chosen
just as operation ‘Just Cause’ named
the cause of the powered few
who clip coupons cause they can
and cause
they think they own the world
Here’s hoping for a new ‘Frequent Wind’
the welcome sound of evacuating choppers
in the new Babylon Bagdad green zone
so that the tangled web of the elite
will have new coupons to clip
the gated who of who’s
who finally realize that
war really is a bust.
Thank you for the poetry, Glendon. How recently did you compose, “Name Your Game”?
I composed it yesterday.
Scott make a lot of factual errors.
Everyone can have their own opinon but no one has a right to their own “facts”
Al Qaeda fights for the Caliphate.
The US can’t afford 3 billion to Israel but does anyone really think that if the US didn’t give 3B to Israel that all of a sudden , the enemies of the US would make nice?
And anyway why ought the the US do something just cause Bathists, Khomeni followers or Al Qaedists threaten to blow stuff up if the US doesn’t give in to them?
Saddam was a threat to the US. One of the reasons he wanted Kuwaiti oil was he wanted to control gulf oil supplies to blackmail the US into foreign policy changes. It is not like Saddam had a right to Kuwaiti oil.
Why did the US have to allow Saddam’s Iraq to become much more powerful at the expense of the US by its invasion of Kuwait? Saddam didn’t have a right to Kuwait and the US didn’t have to let him have it.
Kushner: “Israel is a mirror image of the United States”
If a racist militarist state like Israel is only an image of the United States, we must be pretty bad.
Hey are Israel’s enemies racist?
Since they are trying to destroy Israel I guess they are also militarist states and groups.
Ah selective criticism.
By the way Scott is right none of the 9-11 hijackers were from Iraq but NONE of them were from Afghanistan either.
The war on terror is more than just Afghanistan.
Israel couldn’t care less about America. They just want a “big brother” to protect them from the wrath of those they bully. Oh yeah, getting 3 billion dollars a year too doesn’t hurt either. The USA would be better off in every possible way if it didn’t have this millstone around its neck.
How come it is Israel who is the bully and not its enemies.
Why ought the US give in to Bathists, Khomeni followers and Al Qaedists? Why should they be able to tell the US what to do?
Jonathan,
You ask “How come it is Israel who is the bully and not its enemies. (sic ?)”
Well it comes from Israel being a racist, land-stealing, criminal state. It comes from Israel dropping cluster bombs over half of Lebanon out of spite; a nation that Israel destroyed 20 years earlier out of its hatred of all things Arab. It comes from Israel defying U N resolutions of 40 years standing. It comes from abuse of American trust, resulting in hundreds of billions of American taxpayers’ funds being sent to this “little turd of a country” by bribery and threats and corruption of our U S Congress. It comes from a stream of lies and treachery directed at American intelligence organizations, designed to involve America in Israel’s filthy genocidal wars. It comes from fifth column activities by Zionist Americans willing to divert America from being a fair leader of the World into a rabid defender of Zionism.
Israel’s enemies are racist crimimal states. (say it is not so)
How do you know Israel dropped cluster bombs in Lebanon out of spite?
Anyway if Hizzbollah is an organization that is not out to destroy Israel then Israel went to far in Lebanon but if Hizzbollah is an organization that is out to destroy Israel then why ought Israel not do everything to destroy Hizzbollah.
The UN is a corrupt and selective organization more than that UN 242 calls for land for peace not unilateral withdrawal by Israel for nothing - not that facts are your strong suit but
Abuse of American trust?
I agree the US ought not give money to Israel but the US spends just as much on South Korea.
Israel is involved in a genocidal war? Prove it.
What is a zionist American? Anyone who disagrees with you?
anyway you are a fascist (though I don’t know if you are American)
Anyway none of what yous aid above true or or not (mostly untrue) this changes the fact that Israel’s enemies behave worse than Israel.
None of the above changes that Bathists , Khomeni followers and Al Qaedists are fascist bigots.
and whatever nothing changes the fact that you are a disinformation artists who enagages in selective criticism and propaganda.
It doesn’t change the fact that while entangling alliances isn’t the American way giving in to fascist bigots cause they threaten to blow stuff up isn’t the American way either.
Last it doesn’t it doesn’t change the fact that Richard Vajs is a disassembler.
Islam (the belief and living accordingly inline with THE One and Only Creator, “muslim” literally means “someone who tries to do Islam”) has already messaged many historical and scientific facts, including the big bang, the expanding universe, the atomic structure, creation and evolution of both the universe and human kind and the creation of other creatures besides humans and animals.
Try to overcome your misconceptions due to misinformation based on international politics and the wrong doings of some muslims and open up your mind and heart to Islam, learn Islam from Islam, not from biased mass media or luciferians pretending to be muslims or misguided muslims (ps: there is no proper Islamic state, Islam is perfect but muslims are not).
Learn that Jesus (peace be upon him) was practicing Islam and he foretold the coming of Mohammed (peace be upon him), learn that in Islam Mary (peace be upon her) the mother of Jesus (pbuh) is the most revered woman in all human history, and Jesus (pbuh) is awaited by muslims to return as the Messiah to fight the anti-christ/dajjal, and all sincere muslims will be joining Jesus (pbuh) in his kingdom on earth.
Learn what you have been lied to about and were made to ignore for so long, learn the truth.
AllahsQuran(.)com
QuranMiracles(.)com
BibleIslam(.)com
IslamCode(.)com
WhatsIslam(.)com
ShareIslam(.)com
TurnToIslam(.)com
Peace to all.
Hes “never heard of an english dream, a french dream and certainly never heard an iraqi dream”?!
The arrogance of this man!
The only people that wants and deserves peace and prosperity are not only the americans.
Americans only find themselves in trouble when they try to IMPOSE their interests upon others without considering that those “other” people might have a peace and prosperity dreams too.
Zionist Israelis (not all Jews/Israelis are Zionist) uses America, and America hurts the world people.
Wake up American, return to your Constitution, the original American Dream, the way you are you have become a world tyrant manipulated by the Zionists.
Yes Bathists , Khomenii followers and Al Qaedists are such nice a peaceful people.
They ought to give up their war.
Scott could have debated Sean Hannity and it would have sounded the same. By this I mean all of these clowns, no matter what their background, speak the same language built around talking points and focus group tested expressions. There must be a hospital where their brains are worked on to remove what little critical thinking skills they have removed and replace with the robotic sounding garbage that Kushner spoke in.
Still, taking down this obnoxious prick of a *PHD* is quite an achievement, as unlike Hannity he does have on paper what appears to be an academic background on paper. I’d hate to have him as a professor.
Scott, when he refused to shake your hand that told the tale.
Well done!
I think it’s sad that “Concerned Human” feels he needs Spielberg-style gimmicks to “sell” Islam, like a “Qur’an Code” to go with the “Bible Code,” and supposed accounts of “the big bang and atomic structure.” This is a childish effort to attract the materialistic Westerners with shiny objects. Rashad Khalifa, the “discoverer” (or rather, inventor) of the “Qur’an Code”, came to a sticky end, by the way:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rashad_Khalifa
The poster is not worth responding to, but note quite carefully the appearance of yet a new terminology above, “Al Qaedists”.
Well those who follow the ways of Osama Bin Laden. They fight for a fascist Caliphate where those of other religions are either killed , enslaved or killed.
Eugene Costa just cause you deny what is going on doesn’t make it so.
And Aytollah Khomeni and his followers are bigots.
Say it is not so>
Persecution of members of the Mandaean Religion in Iran
The Mandaeans in Iran primarily occupy an area of the city of Ahwaz called Khuzistan. Ahwaz lies close to the border with Iraq, and its population is overwhelmingly Shi’ite Moslem.
The Mandaean religion is not recognised as a legal religion under Article 13 of the Iranian Constitution. Consequently they are discriminated against in all policy decisions:
In Iran, particularly severe persecution of minority religions, including executions of Mandaeans and of Baha’is, continues.
All religious minorities suffer varying degrees of officially sanctioned discrimination, particularly in the areas of employment, education and housing.
Recognised religious minorities are second class citizens. Non-believers and non recognised religions are deprived of any rights.
The following are examples of incidents which characterise everyday life for Mandaeans in Iran. The intensity of these acts varies and the consequences can be very severe.
“Uncleanliness”
The Mandaeans are considered unclean by Moslems, and encounter difficulties when shopping. They are not allowed to touch a Moslem or work in the food industry as they are perceived to render unclean everything they touch. A Mandaean who accidentally touches an item may be confronted with the demand to buy the entire stock as it has been rendered ‘unclean’.
Disruption of Mandaean family life: forced marriage and sexual assault
In her most recent report to Amnesty International, Professor J.J. Buckley — an internationally recognised specialist on the Mandaean religion — has stressed that “the attempt to destroy Mandaean families is increasing, but with a particular focus on women and young girls.” The Mandaean Human Rights Committee has also documented that the Iranian authorities attempt to break up Mandaean families with a particular focus on women and children, pressuring them to convert to Islam and pressuring women to marry Moslem men. Further reports, including those produced by ASUTA (the Journal for the Study and Research into the Mandaean Culture, Religion and Language) indicate that Mandaean parents fear that their children will be kidnapped, and forcibly circumcised, converted to Islam, raped or forcibly married. Regarding the rape of Mandaean girls and women, several reports suggest that Islamic judges would hold that a Moslem male who raped a Mandaean female would be understood to have “purified” her. Accordingly, the Sabian Mandaean Association reports that Mandaean girls have been raped with impunity by Moslem men.
Friends of your Eugene?
On the same topic, as early as 2006 Daniel Levy has the hilarious double-barrelism: “Sunni al-Qaedists and Shiite Ahmedinajists”.
I am not sure why the latter is not “Ahmadinejadist”, but no doubt both the Iranian religious leadership and Ahmadinejad will be surprised to find out that Ahmadinejad has his own sect of Shi’ite Islam.
Al Qaeda is a fascist hate group
Khomeni was a fascist bigot and so are his followers
Eugene Costa Without a doubt those who follow Khomeni and those who follow Osama Bin Laden are fascist bigots.
“:Persecution of members of the Mandaean Religion in Iran
The Mandaeans in Iran primarily occupy an area of the city of Ahwaz called Khuzistan. Ahwaz lies close to the border with Iraq, and its population is overwhelmingly Shi’ite Moslem.
The Mandaean religion is not recognised as a legal religion under Article 13 of the Iranian Constitution. Consequently they are discriminated against in all policy decisions:
In Iran, particularly severe persecution of minority religions, including executions of Mandaeans and of Baha’is, continues.
All religious minorities suffer varying degrees of officially sanctioned discrimination, particularly in the areas of employment, education and housing.
Recognised religious minorities are second class citizens. Non-believers and non recognised religions are deprived of any rights.
The following are examples of incidents which characterise everyday life for Mandaeans in Iran. The intensity of these acts varies and the consequences can be very severe.
“Uncleanliness”
The Mandaeans are considered unclean by Moslems, and encounter difficulties when shopping. They are not allowed to touch a Moslem or work in the food industry as they are perceived to render unclean everything they touch. A Mandaean who accidentally touches an item may be confronted with the demand to buy the entire stock as it has been rendered ‘unclean’.
Disruption of Mandaean family life: forced marriage and sexual assault
In her most recent report to Amnesty International, Professor J.J. Buckley — an internationally recognised specialist on the Mandaean religion — has stressed that “the attempt to destroy Mandaean families is increasing, but with a particular focus on women and young girls.” The Mandaean Human Rights Committee has also documented that the Iranian authorities attempt to break up Mandaean families with a particular focus on women and children, pressuring them to convert to Islam and pressuring women to marry Moslem men. Further reports, including those produced by ASUTA (the Journal for the Study and Research into the Mandaean Culture, Religion and Language) indicate that Mandaean parents fear that their children will be kidnapped, and forcibly circumcised, converted to Islam, raped or forcibly married. Regarding the rape of Mandaean girls and women, several reports suggest that Islamic judges would hold that a Moslem male who raped a Mandaean female would be understood to have “purified” her. Accordingly, the Sabian Mandaean Association reports that Mandaean girls have been raped with impunity by Moslem men.”
http://www.iranian.com/BTW/2005/July/Mandaean/index.html
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Eugene Costa apologist for the Iranian regime and apologist for Al Qaeda.