Ron Paul on the War Funding Bill

Scott Horton, June 16, 2009

On June 15, Rep. Ron Paul gave the following speech in opposition to the Democrats’ new $106 Billion war funding bill, after it was sent back to the House from the conference committee. (The bill passed Tuesday evening.):

Mr. Speaker, I rise in strong opposition to this conference report on the War Supplemental Appropriations. I wonder what happened to all of my colleagues who said they were opposed to the ongoing wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. I wonder what happened to my colleagues who voted with me as I opposed every war supplemental request under the previous administration. It seems, with very few exceptions, they have changed their position on the war now that the White House has changed hands. I find this troubling. As I have said while opposing previous war funding requests, a vote to fund the war is a vote in favor of the war. Congress exercises its constitutional prerogatives through the power of the purse.

This conference report, being a Washington-style compromise, reflects one thing Congress agrees on: spending money we do not have. So this “compromise” bill spends 15 percent more than the president requested, which is $9 billion more than in the original House bill and $14.6 billion more than the original Senate version. Included in this final version — in addition to the $106 billion to continue the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq — is a $108 billion loan guarantee to the International Monetary Fund, allowing that destructive organization to continue spending taxpayer money to prop up corrupt elites and promote harmful economic policies overseas.

As Americans struggle through the worst economic downturn since the Great Depression, this emergency supplemental appropriations bill sends billions of dollars overseas as foreign aid. Included in this appropriation is $660 million for Gaza, $555 million for Israel, $310 million for Egypt, $300 million for Jordan, and $420 million for Mexico. Some $889 million will be sent to the United Nations for “peacekeeping” missions. Almost one billion dollars will be sent overseas to address the global financial crisis outside our borders and nearly $8 billion will be spent to address a “potential pandemic flu.”

Mr. Speaker, I continue to believe that the best way to support our troops is to bring them home from Iraq and Afghanistan. If one looks at the original authorization for the use of force in Afghanistan, it is clear that the ongoing and expanding nation-building mission there has nothing to do with our goal of capturing and bringing to justice those who attacked the United States on September 11, 2001. Our continued presence in Iraq and Afghanistan does not make us safer at home, but in fact it undermines our national security. I urge my colleagues to defeat this reckless conference report.




58 Responses to “Ron Paul on the War Funding Bill”

  1. Nothing like spending our money like it’s going out of style (well may be it is), I guess that’s easy enough when they never pay the bill. Dem’s love war except when the Rep’s are in charge. Republicrats of the world unite, like always.

    “Mr. Speaker, I continue to believe that the best way to support our troops is to bring them home from Iraq and Afghanistan”, and the rest of the world as well. However, we all know the only way that will happen, either the people of the US revolt or the rats abandon ship as it goes down.

    Peace!

  2. Ah, yes, yet another Quixotic performance from that Crown Prince of futility, Ron Paul. One might even suppose that in the struggle to extract meaning from existence, Paul saw comradarie with known criminals as somehow salvific. Truly meritorious individuals devote themselves to acts of anonymous charity at his age. Might someone tap Grampa on the shoulder and remind him that the system’s irreparably broken, that no one’s listening and that its perhaps best simply to nod off in some easy chair after dinner.

  3. John once again you show your ignorance. You say “no one’s listening” are you serious? As if somehow your reaching more people with your constant Ron Paul bashing, Yah Sure Right! It may well be too late for his message to wake up all the sheeple but why is it that you somehow blame him for trying. Now you have decided on your own that “Grampa” should go home and donate to charity. I guess if it was up to you everyone over the age of 60 should just get packed off to a nursing home and leave their estate to charity.

    Sorry John but many people are listening but obviously not you. I’m sure you won’t bother to reply as you have yet to win one debate with me. But you just might realize how repulsive your comment was. Grampa go home, wow that’s a brillians argument. I suppose you think everyone who has worked at a goal for years should just give up when they get to old for your criteria.

    Peace!

  4. Hey John,

    Great attitude. Instead of applauding a principled position held by an honorable man, call him grampa and send him out to pasture. And if he follows your advice and retires, who are we going to get to replace him? Another bribe-taking warmonger, that’s who. Would that satisfy you?

    If you’re going to criticize someone, Congress offers a target rich environment. You can start with anyone that voted for this outrageous piece of crap.

  5. I am listening and I am not alone. But I guess you prefer to judge a persons by there age instead of thee actions. The system may be flawed, but that has a lot more to do with people like you who judge a man more by stupid criteria like; age, hair style, party affiliation, and pointless guilt by association than actual merit, actions and voting record.

    I realize it is a lot more work to look into the actual issues than follow some BS line fed to you by the likes of Olbermann, but if you gave it a shot you might be surprised.

  6. If you’re going to criticize someone, Congress offers a target rich environment.

    I know of at least 218 faker cowards John can start with.

  7. Ron Paul’s exhortations aren’t always futile. Starting with very little support, he did manage to get a majority of his colleagues in the House to co-sponsor a bill he introduced to audit the Federal Reserve.

  8. At least the man is trying. He is a voice of reason in insane Washington.

  9. I hope I’ll be forgiven the correction of one small typo in the post I made above. It should have rendered “Clown Prince of futility”, not “Crown Prince”. Awfully sorry. :-)

  10. Steve,

    “You can start with anyone that voted for this outrageous piece of crap.”

    I must rise to the defense of the gentleman. :-)

  11. Hundreds of billions more and in a supplemental no less. Sh*t, Bushtard might as well be dictator still.

    F’ing DemoCraps and their “Change we need.”

    Obango, Obingo, Obunghole, Obama…meet the new dictator,..same as the old dictator.

    Where is that f’ing Keith Oberscum on this one???

  12. Lawrence,

    There would seem to be an order to these things. First, there are the imbecile enthusiasms of youth. Then, for most, after a lifetime of rank stupidities, there is the period of the granny condo to be followed immediately thereafter by an extended warehousing. And it is precisely here that one discerns the probable point of Paul's development with yesterday's speech, suspended, that is, somewhere between the Wednesday night bridge game and the glue factory. Wholly in keeping with your well informed sympathies, the process is entirely natural. There is absolutely nothing in the way of artifice. :-)

  13. Good spirit, Johnny. How about you go start a coconut farm in the Bahamas where you won’t be impacted (before they declare coconuts to be a terrorist symbol, at least) instead of ever-so-haughtily calling down to anyone who’s actually willing to take a stand, futile though it may be. It’s apathy that somehow transforms into arrogant holier-than-thou-ism that’s causing so much trouble to begin with, so if you’re not going to further any useful criticism I don’t even know why you’re posting here.

  14. John Lowell, do you have anything at all to offer to this discussion beyond petty insults and bad prose?

  15. I see that the war funding bill has passed the House:

    http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM

    "Change" is really cool.

  16. Let’s face it – Ron Paul is not issuing “wake-up calls”; he is offering elegies for a dying republic. As a friend of mine puts it, “Trying to get Americans to take back their country is like blowing a bugle at a can of dog food – it may have been a horse once but it is just a can of meat now”.

  17. I shouldn’t be so cynical. There is decency left in the average American. You can see it in individual actions of charity, mercy and support to the afflicted. But the public persona of America – all of the corporist, war-mongering, pettyfogging legalistic, money-gouging swines in the temple – cannot be reformed.

  18. John,
    Clearly you are not a fan of Ron Paul. You obviously find him rash, ineffective, possibly even senile. Even so, I do not understand the point of your comment. A man stands up to congress and says, “Why the h*ll are you sending all of our money to other countries? We are in the biggest economic downturn in 70 years, each one of you campaigned on less government spending, and this war that was based on catching terrorists not expanding U.S. imperialistic power! STOP IT,” and you criticize him. Why? You don’t even present a real argument. You simply use flowery words to give the appearance of intelligent discussion. You mock his age, insinuate senility, but worst of all, you take it upon yourself to speak for the rest of us and say that no one is listening. You want him to go home and take a nap. Are you crazy? Perhaps Ghandi should have realized his struggle was futile and gone home to nap. Maybe blacks and women should’ve given up on equal rights a long time ago. I wish, I wish, that someone would have told George Washington to give up because how could one colony defeat the largest empire in the world at the time? Hope and idealism are what drive great things. We may never change the whole world, but we can change part of it. We will change part of it. And though there will always be people like you saying “Give up,” “There is no point,” “You are all fools,” we will not listen. We will push on with our ideals. We will sacrifice our life’s convenience for our passions. We will touch the very souls of our audience. And in the end, after you’ve finished screaming at us that it can’t be done, you will open your eyes and see that while you were so busy mocking our naive idealism, we went out and changed the world. Be it for better or for worse.

  19. John, the system may be “irreparably broken,” as you put it, but if there were ABSOLUTELY NO opposition to the forces of criminal evil that control Rome-on-the-Potomac, we would be traveling infinitely faster down the road to unchecked tyranny than we are now. As far as the idea that “no one is listening,” apparently Ron’s fellow Congresscritters who have done the one decent thing in their political careers by signing onto Ron’s “Audit the Fed” bill, along with hundreds of thousands, if not millions of ordinary Americans who have publicly and enthusiastically endorsed it, didn’t get that memo.

  20. Is John Lowell now issuing a veiled endorsement of intellectual euthenasia for old people despite his stand on abortion? When it comes to the brain, I’m still pro-life

  21. Where is that f’ing Keith Oberscum on this one???

    He’s busy being the good partisan MSM hack-shill for the new face on the Establishment now that his party of warmongering criminal thieves holds the reins of power. The same template applies to the FauxNEWS Fascistigandists now railing against the current regime who ADORED their beloved Bushtard as he did the exact same things over an eight-year period.

  22. I shouldn’t be so cynical.

    Why not?

    “The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it.” – George Bernard Shaw

  23. $1000-A-Day Waterboarding Experts?!

    “…two psychologists credited for being the architects of the CIA’s brutal interrogation program after 9/11, a news report said yesterday. Dr. James Mitchell and Dr. Bruce Jessen, who suggested and supervised waterboarding at secret prisons around the world have been told their services are no longer needed. Mitchell and Jessen, according to their associates, boasted of being paid $1,000 a day by the CIA to oversee the use of the technique on top al Qaeda suspects. ”

    http://www.abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=7847478&page=1

    Does not this sound like what was done in Hitler Germany,and by Joseph Stalin ?!

  24. Mike, you forgot his pretensions about a knowledge of Thomism.

  25. And this from the Lawrence whose grasp of St. Thomas is imagined to be more profound than that of the current Pope? Although it was asked for, we never got a well-reasoned rejoinder from you about Ratzinger’s take on St. Thomas on the relation of soul and body did we, Lawrence? Best I can recall, all we ever got from you were rather uninspired and unsupported personal opinions. We could have gotten that from a discussion in a college dormitory.

  26. I thought the Dems were against the war. Isn’t that what CBS, NBC, ABC & CNN were saying not too long ago. I’m not a Dem or a Rep, but I distinctly heard the liberals’ shrill voices about how Iraq had no WMD’s and no connection to 9/11…..and I agreed with that.

    The only “change” I see is O’s converting our nation to a corporate, Mussolini style fascist state where the govt. is in bed with Wall Street and the major corporations. Why can’t liberals have the perspicacity to OPEN their eyes and minds to what’s happening???

    Are they all hypocrites????

  27. What I find interesting about the whole Liberal vs. Conservative argument is the hypocrisy. Only sheeple believe we still have a two party system. They will argue their respective points untill the cows come home and go right out and vote for their man or woman regardless of how they actually vote. The majority of voters in this country fail to look at voting records at all. That is why pandering works so well. That and the quick two minuet sound bites. It’s also a reason why Ron Paul is both popular and hated. His voting record is great but he refuses to pander and most people just want to be told what they want to hear and not anything real at all. Plus it takes time and effort to understand Ron Paul’s message and the majority of voters will not take the time or do the work.

    Another interesting theory is that it’s like rooting for your favorite sports team. Every dirty trick or bad call or unsportsmanlike conduct is fine as long as your team wins. So once you vote your on that team and after that you will justify almost any behaviour. We only get upset when our team loses. So when Obama plays ball just like Bush that’s ok because he’s going to win one for the home team.

    This is why the myth of a two party system works. It’s to give you a team to root for even if they are actually colluding against you. Most people don’t really know why they vote for anyone other than, well they are on my team so they must be good.

    Peace!

  28. Calling Lawrence…

    Where are you, Lawrence.

    LAWWRRENNCCE! :-)

  29. As they say, folks, please don’t feed the trolls.

  30. “The only “change” I see is O’s converting our nation to a corporate, Mussolini style fascist state where the govt. is in bed with Wall Street and the major corporations.”

    The change to Mussolini style facist state has been taking place long before Obama came into power.It was accelerated during the Bush JR regime!

  31. Oh so true! I’ve said for many years that all we have is a bi-factional one-party state. There is no root difference so people need to wake up and get over the notion that the Feds give a rats ass about them. So long as the proles send tribute thats all that matters to them.

  32. And before him… and the one before that one… and the one before that… etc.

  33. Remember what once was said, “That if voting made a difference they’d probably outlaw it.”

  34. No, they are just rabid interventionists and antiwar fakers.

  35. John, as before, I’m still not interested in Ratzinger’s misrepresenatation of St. Thomas’ words — especially as Ratzinger’s habit of tripping over his words before large audiences is now evident to most of the planet. While the soul can be construed as the “form of the body” in Thomism and Aristotelianism, Thomas never would have said the reverse. Please read any work on Thomas by Etienne Gilson or better yet, Thomas himself. Further, I would never quote Brad Smith as an authority on John Llowell to prove that Llowell said something when there were plenty of opportunities to see what Llowell had said himself — usually to his own embarrassment. Please cite a single instance where Thomas said what Ratzinger claims he said and what you claim he would or should or wanted to say. Just do it. Fact is, he didn’t, or you would have cited it by now after all these months. Still looking? Continue to do so. Ratzinger was merely taking a flight of fancy with a set of Aristotle-charged words in an arena that doesn’t brook such license. There, I’ve issued the challenge. Please try to quote Thomas on this. Until then, away with you, loud and bumptuous spirit with bad breath and a greasy keyboard!

  36. Sorry, Kirth Gerson, I fed the troll again. Bad habit. My bad…my bad.

  37. Lawrence,

    You started it, I’ll finish it.

    What you may be “interested in”, Lawrence, or what you may require are matters of the most monumental inconsequence here or anywhere else, I’d guess. And what Thomas may or may not have said in some absurdly literal sense that seems important to you without reference to the whole of his corpus and history is equally inconsequential. And with all the of the arrogant, amateurish overreach that one might now come to expect of you, we have no absolute certainty that “Thomas never would have said the reverse”, as you opine. How in hell do you know what Thomas might or might not have been apt to say? He’s dead, for Christ’s sake! Are we to claim that all that read St. Thomas are simply interpreters except for you, that Cajetan, du Lubac, von Balthasar, Pegis, Ratzinger and others are in some very less privileged relation to medieval scholarship than you are. You’re a complete jackass!

    So that you won’t forget it, I’ll restate Ratzinger’s very clear remarks on this question:

    “And so we come at last to a really tremendous idea: the human spirit is so utterly one with the body that the term ‘form’ can used of the body and retain its proper meaning. Conversely, the form of the body is spirit, and this is what makes the human being a person.”

    Emblazon that into your thick skull and try to imagine yourself in the actual position you bear to scholars of Ratzinger’s calibre: That of rank peon. And while you’re at it, see if you can find some traffic to play in.

  38. Please, my fellow Americans, remember all those elected officials whose vitriolic opposition to the previous warmongering President whose voices are now silent. Remember all those anti-war activists who strident opposition to the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan is now entirely absent. President Obama and his administration is no better than the previous administration, but the political partisans who simply pretended to oppose warmongering were only performing like actors on a stage. Their motivation was the acquisition of power, not acting on principle. Remember them all. Shun them. Oppose them. Expose them. If you do not do so, you are no better than they are. The lesser of two evils is still evil. The degree of evil matters little, and the claim that their piles of dead are smaller is no defense.

  39. the john guy is very instigating, it makes me laugh. then i remember all the dead iraqis and wonder sometimes how americans can easily forget the million+ that are now dead and the 4 million displaced, bicker are internet news sites about methods of opposition to this heinous act. im not laughing anymore.

  40. Why is anyone responding to John Lowell? It’s obvious he just looks for attention. His post about Ron Paul was downright cruel.

  41. “We may never change the whole world, but we can change part of it. We will change part of it.”

    If you agree with this comment then you might want to check out the Free State Project. As that is what the Free State Project is attempting to achieve. You can check out the Free State Project for yourself at http://www.freestateproject.org/

    We can achieve liberty in our lifetime.

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  43. Hey John,

    Eat a bag of dicks and die.

  44. in a fire.

  45. Thanks for the support, Alexzane, Chris, et al. As a mere peon, I naturally am reeling from John’s attack. I’ll probably never recover! But it is after all mea culpa, mea maxima culpa. I fed the troll.

  46. John,
    While Ron Paul may be “tilting at windmills” he, at least, brandishes a weapon. Meanwhile you sit behind your keyboard, limp and fickle, with only your bloated vocabulary (and the meaningless phrases you force with it. i.e. “Truly meritorious individuals devote themselves to acts of anonymous charity at his age”

    I mean, come on! “Individuals worthy of merit” would be more appropriate. Or, you could simply have said “worthy”. Honestly, this sentence is utter nonsense; but the words sure do look big! Are you trying to say that, in one’s later years, it is somehow dishonorable to do a public act of kindness or charity? Or, is it that old people can only find worth/value through such hidden actions? Either way, you should have told this to Mother Theresa! The poor woman didn’t know and didn’t stand a chance. ‘Tis a pity.
    Oh wait! I get it. If anyone were to look past your unabashed word wrangling they would quickly realize that this sentence means nothing, nada, zero, zilch, poo. It is, at best, the ravings of a self-indulgent ageist. At worst, it is a desperate attempt to sound informed.

    Either way, back to my first sentence. Ron Paul brandishes a weapon. He has an intellect and the position bestowed upon him by those he represents. It is his duty, no matter what his age, to represent them the way he promised he would. What weapons do you brandish, John? Cynicism? Vocabulary? A thesaurus perhaps? A plastic keyboard? And what is more futile, Ron Paul abiding by his sworn duty or you tapping and tapping and tapping out big words on the internet to show people how intelligent you are?

  47. John,

    The sickness of marginalization of which you are obviously affected is indeed the same sickness which makes it easy for UMMMericans to look the other way when innocent people are suffering in the name of trying to wipe an idea (terror is only caused by terror) off the map.
    Regardless of age, Ron Paul speaks with common sense even a 7 year old can understand – Don’t incite hatred if you don’t want hatred.

    Noble

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  49. I appreciate Ron Paul letting me in on the expenditures listed. We are all interested and watching everyday for more information so we can make intelligent informed decisions. We are not asleep. “The train it keeps on going no way to slow it down”

  50. To the Lowliest of the Lowell’s:

    Your ignorance is second-to-none. More people than EVER are finally realizing the wisdom of this exceptionally principled man. Many now wish they had never listened to pitiful buffoons like you, rendering their ears useless, crippling their critical thinking, and wasting valuable time and money. I feel a little sorry for you, because you’re clearly a follower. One sheep among many (although decreasing). The only way you can find your way around is by having your face planted in the stinking rear-end of another insipid sheeple, anxious to be sheared. Your statements are so out of touch that truthfully, I don’t really believe you’re that ignorant. I believe you’re much worse and much worse off. You probably wrap yourself in the flag thinking you’re patriotic, welcoming this new blasphemous form of government that is anathema to everything we’ve stood for, fought and died for, and love. You’re a disgusting coward that I hope is one of the first to feel the full fury and strength of the fascistic hell that morons like you are inexplicably working to bring in, and anxious to bow down to. You give losers a bad name.

  51. Well stated Mr. Armogida. I doubt he understood a single word.

  52. i am listening to Ron Paul that’s for sure. Its people like you that are let the government lower all our living standards to benefit the corrupt.

  53. Everyone,

    Be careful here. A house divided against itself cannot stand. The next thing you know, we will have “heel” Tim R. in here as a mediator using the opportunity of our divsion to attempt a pro-wrestling style “face turn” and become a good guy. God forbid !!

    John Lowell is totally wrong here and has no hope. Where there is no hope, the person literally dies.

    Jesus Christ commanded us to resist evil. For example, the aspostle Paul utilized his Roman citizen rights to protect himself when he was thrown in prison illegally. The authorities were forced to free him when he reminded them of those rights, and even feared him because of his boldness and knowledge of the laws. The Bible is full of these type of examples of heroism and boldness in the face of insurmountable odds.

  54. This is not true!

    Keith Olbermann spends his days giving foot massages to His Royal Highness Obama.

    It’s quite an honor; most of his colleauges in the media are jealous.

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