938531 Responseshttp%3A%2F%2Fantiwar.com%2Fblog%2F2011%2F03%2F01%2Fron-paul-vs-hillary-clinton-on-supporting-dictators%2FRon+Paul+vs.+Hillary+Clinton+on+Supporting+Dictators2011-03-02+03%3A07%3A29Eric+Garrishttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.antiwar.com%2Fblog%2F%3Fp%3D9385 to “Ron Paul vs. Hillary Clinton on Supporting Dictators”
wow……she took credit for stopping the egyptian army from firing on the protesters!
i appreciate dr paul's ability to speak their language by making it about israel. clinton's answer was entirely about israel, really shows where her true concern lie.
Yeah, the hell with the Egyptian peoples right to self-determination. They can live under an oppressive tyrant as long as Israel has "security." Ron Paul was quite correct to state that dictators like Mubarak were bought and paid for, so Israel's "security", as nearly everything else with that pissy little state, was a sham.
None of this registered on Hilary Clinton's radar.
In other words they prefer that the citizens of neighboring countries are not free but subjects of dictators friendly to Israel.
The solution she presents is much like pouring gasoline all over yourself before running into a fire to save someone. It's self-defeating at every level.
Israel is done. They threw their lot in with a US government that they believed- foolishly- was always going to be on top. They have no where left to go but get more radical and more scary. Same with the US by the way. There is no way out of what the US has created for itself except to double down- again- like they have been doing for the past 10 years.
The US invasion of the ME and Central Asia- was always about shoring up the buck- because the US has hollowed out its economy over the past 30 years as it embraced self serving one world capitalism global nonsense – which was itself a cover for New York financial elites enriching themselves as they sold out American workers (even criminals need a thin reed of self ideology to mask their plunder- made them feel better as they chop shoped American companies year after year for quick obscene profits). See – if "history" was telling them to do it- then it was OK.
Israel is up a creek without a paddle. Their "foreign policy" can best be described as one of holding on to the coattails of the US as they rely on black ops and agents and spies and informants and traitors to advance their agenda – which is some sort of "greater israel" fascist nonsense.
They have no freinds in the region and their populace is increasingly racist and deluded beyond on all measure. I have no idea what is gonna happen to Israel- but I doubt anything good.
And frankly? I don't care. Not one bit. Couldn't care less about Israel.
this is the best accessment of the problem facing Ireal and america that I have ever read. Please write more because AMERICANS deserve to know what is tearing down the country that they love.
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That was the real reasons.The US made sure the Egyptian army would not be able to mount any real defense against any Israeli attack,and the munitions supplied by the US would last only forjust few short days.
I think everybody needs to get the dictionary and look up hegemony. Two politicians using the "spin" in their typical way is not the issue. I fervently hope this President will not start hip-shooting on a whim as if he were out killing stuff with his friends, just for fun. Even friends get hurt when that happens, right? I do not think this President would justify sending your son or mine into harms way without at least considering the future for your son or mine.
I tend to agree about foreign policy when it comes to throwing money out the window. I would rather see the money thrown into holes in our own desert. At least OUR money would still be in the "Good Old USA" ,as Dennis the Menace used to say…
For the love of God, can we STOP making it national poilicy to support Israel both finacially and militarily? You start a country, if you cant support it or defend it then you are going to lose it. period. Why are we GIVING them 7 BILLION dollars a year? For what? Then we turn around and find they are spying on us as well? When they are called out they throw out the good old "anti-semite" charge which shuts down any reasonable dialogue since most public figures would rather be accused of child molestation rather than being thought of anti-semites. Enough.
when someone like Hillary or any mainstream Republican/Democrat references "our interests" like she does in this clip, they are often actually referring to the interests of global corporations.
The US has made international imperialism as a policy "Project for the new American Century" is a tretise on strategic invasion and manipulation of countries for the sole purpose of war and money-The bankers and industrialists usually deploy these methods, at the near end of a country's use life ( financially ) to them-Consequently the Neo-Cons -constructed of both parties-thru outsourcing, globalism, fraudulent securities ( credit default swaps) have damaged this country beyond assemblage-We are no longer a free standing Constitutional Republic, but an Oligarchy
The tea party is another version of Republicanism in drag.
The comments are very cogent, but with regards to Paul, in order for him to gain total credibility, he has to disavow himself from the RepubliKan party, which for the most part ( under Bush & Cheney )
were tye beginning of the end. From 9-11 to the war, to the wmd's to the removal of Hussein, which had for it's purpose the wilful intent to destabilize the mid-east. Where the President and his cabinet got it wrong was that the people of the mideast know the 50 year history of the US and the CIA , ansd will not settle for an American choice of it's friendly dictator, " Honey doesn't play dat no mo"
You may want to temper your comments a little and read a few history books before you blast away at people that know more about what's really going on behind the scenes than you do.
Now, I happen to lean towards NOT supporting dictatorships as well, so I'm somewhat on Ron Paul's side on this one even though I would rather yank a random person off the street into the oval office than elect him. I am also not a big Hillary fan. But that's neither here nor there.
Apparently you don't grasp this: the primary reason the United States has supported Israel for so long is to keep your sons and daughters from having to fight another devastating world war. Very likely a more horrific war than anyone has ever seen.
If things start destabilizing in the Middle East, get ready to kiss your cushy middle class existence goodbye. You think things are bad now? When the dominoes start to tumble we'll all be in a world of hurt that you can't even imagine.
You don't have to work for an intelligence organization to understand that. I don't know much, but at least I am aware of how little I really know. Enough not to act like I know more.
Next time your teenager acts like he knows more than you do about life, think about how stupid he or she seems to you.
'As Republicans and Democrats propose cuts in programs that actually benefit their increasingly impoverished constituents, though, they agree there's one area of the budget that's not to be touched: the annual $3 billion subsidy U.S. taxpayers provide to the Israeli military.
One of the biggest defenders of the handout is House Foreign Affairs Committee Chairwoman Ileana Ros-Lehtinen. "There will be no cuts to security assistance to the Jewish State of Israel," her chief of staff declared in a recent letter to House Republicans. The rest of the U.S. foreign aid budget, including assistance for Iraqi refugees and food aid to the world's poorest people, is fair game. But the Florida congresswoman insists we must help Israel maintain its "Qualitative Military Edge." http://www.counterpunch.org/benjamin03032011.html
Hilary has huge bad blocks in her brain hard drive, The fear is that Zionists will crash the economy overnight like they did when that 1200 point drop happened in the stock market awhile ago.
I am sick and tired of looking at that fat face of hers.
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C'est mon grand plaisir de visiter votre site et profitez de votre excellent post ici. J'aime beaucoup cela. Je peux sentir que vous avez payé beaucoup d'attention pour ces articles, comme tous les sens et sont très utiles. Merci beaucoup pour le partage. Je peux être très bon lecteur et auditeur, si vous êtes à la recherche de même pour tous à être bon.Apprécier pour votre temps! Heureux tous les jours!
Ceci est ma première fois que je visite ici. J'ai trouvé tellement de choses intéressantesdans votre blog, en particulier sa discussion. Du tonnes de commentaires sur vos articles,je suppose que je ne suis pas le seul à avoir tout le plaisir ici! Continuez votre excellent travail.
Dormammu
March 1st, 2011 at 8:18 pm
Israel….Israel……Israel……Israel…….israel
Nice obedient Goyim Hillary.
kev
March 1st, 2011 at 8:24 pm
wow……she took credit for stopping the egyptian army from firing on the protesters!
i appreciate dr paul's ability to speak their language by making it about israel. clinton's answer was entirely about israel, really shows where her true concern lie.
R.C. Williams
March 1st, 2011 at 10:15 pm
Yeah, the hell with the Egyptian peoples right to self-determination. They can live under an oppressive tyrant as long as Israel has "security." Ron Paul was quite correct to state that dictators like Mubarak were bought and paid for, so Israel's "security", as nearly everything else with that pissy little state, was a sham.
None of this registered on Hilary Clinton's radar.
Canuck
March 1st, 2011 at 11:00 pm
"Israel prefers security"
In other words they prefer that the citizens of neighboring countries are not free but subjects of dictators friendly to Israel.
The solution she presents is much like pouring gasoline all over yourself before running into a fire to save someone. It's self-defeating at every level.
burkeman1
March 2nd, 2011 at 12:01 am
Israel is done. They threw their lot in with a US government that they believed- foolishly- was always going to be on top. They have no where left to go but get more radical and more scary. Same with the US by the way. There is no way out of what the US has created for itself except to double down- again- like they have been doing for the past 10 years.
The US invasion of the ME and Central Asia- was always about shoring up the buck- because the US has hollowed out its economy over the past 30 years as it embraced self serving one world capitalism global nonsense – which was itself a cover for New York financial elites enriching themselves as they sold out American workers (even criminals need a thin reed of self ideology to mask their plunder- made them feel better as they chop shoped American companies year after year for quick obscene profits). See – if "history" was telling them to do it- then it was OK.
Israel is up a creek without a paddle. Their "foreign policy" can best be described as one of holding on to the coattails of the US as they rely on black ops and agents and spies and informants and traitors to advance their agenda – which is some sort of "greater israel" fascist nonsense.
They have no freinds in the region and their populace is increasingly racist and deluded beyond on all measure. I have no idea what is gonna happen to Israel- but I doubt anything good.
And frankly? I don't care. Not one bit. Couldn't care less about Israel.
theothercanada
March 2nd, 2011 at 12:26 am
Uncle Joe, Mr. Adolf, Bush the Madman and every other tyrant preferred security over Liberty as well.
willie white
March 2nd, 2011 at 3:33 am
this is the best accessment of the problem facing Ireal and america that I have ever read. Please write more because AMERICANS deserve to know what is tearing down the country that they love.
thank you , kinkyhair
mark s.
March 2nd, 2011 at 7:33 am
Spot on. Kudos to you. I do not care a hoot about IS_real at all.
Vic
March 2nd, 2011 at 8:21 am
I feel it did register with Clinton but she chose to to address the issue(s).
Vic
March 2nd, 2011 at 8:23 am
Sorry, I meant to say: she chose not to address the issue(s).
smithy100
March 2nd, 2011 at 9:58 am
"The qualitative edge that we guarantee israel will take care of that"
Sounds like she is saying the weapons we sold to egypt were always destined to be used against the egyptian….
pendulum
March 2nd, 2011 at 10:01 am
yes and not to mention egyptians starving while their next door they frolic in their pools. how nice
Lear K
March 2nd, 2011 at 11:23 am
That was the real reasons.The US made sure the Egyptian army would not be able to mount any real defense against any Israeli attack,and the munitions supplied by the US would last only forjust few short days.
HILLARY
March 2nd, 2011 at 12:10 pm
I like his questions, but it was more of a rant.
MAGICMADFAN
March 2nd, 2011 at 12:24 pm
I think everybody needs to get the dictionary and look up hegemony. Two politicians using the "spin" in their typical way is not the issue. I fervently hope this President will not start hip-shooting on a whim as if he were out killing stuff with his friends, just for fun. Even friends get hurt when that happens, right? I do not think this President would justify sending your son or mine into harms way without at least considering the future for your son or mine.
I tend to agree about foreign policy when it comes to throwing money out the window. I would rather see the money thrown into holes in our own desert. At least OUR money would still be in the "Good Old USA" ,as Dennis the Menace used to say…
Daddyoh
March 2nd, 2011 at 12:35 pm
Dr Paul makes sense. Simplify.
I wish he were President
bangy
March 2nd, 2011 at 12:46 pm
For the love of God, can we STOP making it national poilicy to support Israel both finacially and militarily? You start a country, if you cant support it or defend it then you are going to lose it. period. Why are we GIVING them 7 BILLION dollars a year? For what? Then we turn around and find they are spying on us as well? When they are called out they throw out the good old "anti-semite" charge which shuts down any reasonable dialogue since most public figures would rather be accused of child molestation rather than being thought of anti-semites. Enough.
SwampdonkeY
March 2nd, 2011 at 2:47 pm
Looks like Hillary ATE Israel.
illUminAti0n
March 2nd, 2011 at 8:05 pm
when someone like Hillary or any mainstream Republican/Democrat references "our interests" like she does in this clip, they are often actually referring to the interests of global corporations.
Milt Farrow
March 3rd, 2011 at 7:01 am
The US has made international imperialism as a policy "Project for the new American Century" is a tretise on strategic invasion and manipulation of countries for the sole purpose of war and money-The bankers and industrialists usually deploy these methods, at the near end of a country's use life ( financially ) to them-Consequently the Neo-Cons -constructed of both parties-thru outsourcing, globalism, fraudulent securities ( credit default swaps) have damaged this country beyond assemblage-We are no longer a free standing Constitutional Republic, but an Oligarchy
The tea party is another version of Republicanism in drag.
Milt Farrow
March 3rd, 2011 at 7:07 am
The comments are very cogent, but with regards to Paul, in order for him to gain total credibility, he has to disavow himself from the RepubliKan party, which for the most part ( under Bush & Cheney )
were tye beginning of the end. From 9-11 to the war, to the wmd's to the removal of Hussein, which had for it's purpose the wilful intent to destabilize the mid-east. Where the President and his cabinet got it wrong was that the people of the mideast know the 50 year history of the US and the CIA , ansd will not settle for an American choice of it's friendly dictator, " Honey doesn't play dat no mo"
DontAdvrtseYrIgnrnce
March 3rd, 2011 at 7:56 am
You may want to temper your comments a little and read a few history books before you blast away at people that know more about what's really going on behind the scenes than you do.
Now, I happen to lean towards NOT supporting dictatorships as well, so I'm somewhat on Ron Paul's side on this one even though I would rather yank a random person off the street into the oval office than elect him. I am also not a big Hillary fan. But that's neither here nor there.
Apparently you don't grasp this: the primary reason the United States has supported Israel for so long is to keep your sons and daughters from having to fight another devastating world war. Very likely a more horrific war than anyone has ever seen.
If things start destabilizing in the Middle East, get ready to kiss your cushy middle class existence goodbye. You think things are bad now? When the dominoes start to tumble we'll all be in a world of hurt that you can't even imagine.
You don't have to work for an intelligence organization to understand that. I don't know much, but at least I am aware of how little I really know. Enough not to act like I know more.
Next time your teenager acts like he knows more than you do about life, think about how stupid he or she seems to you.
Lear K
March 3rd, 2011 at 8:56 am
'As Republicans and Democrats propose cuts in programs that actually benefit their increasingly impoverished constituents, though, they agree there's one area of the budget that's not to be touched: the annual $3 billion subsidy U.S. taxpayers provide to the Israeli military.
One of the biggest defenders of the handout is House Foreign Affairs Committee Chairwoman Ileana Ros-Lehtinen. "There will be no cuts to security assistance to the Jewish State of Israel," her chief of staff declared in a recent letter to House Republicans. The rest of the U.S. foreign aid budget, including assistance for Iraqi refugees and food aid to the world's poorest people, is fair game. But the Florida congresswoman insists we must help Israel maintain its "Qualitative Military Edge."
http://www.counterpunch.org/benjamin03032011.html
Dormammu
March 6th, 2011 at 1:01 pm
Hilary has huge bad blocks in her brain hard drive, The fear is that Zionists will crash the economy overnight like they did when that 1200 point drop happened in the stock market awhile ago.
I am sick and tired of looking at that fat face of hers.
Dormammu
March 6th, 2011 at 1:03 pm
Don't forget "Oy-Bomb-Ya", another Israeli stooge.
Dormammu
March 6th, 2011 at 1:05 pm
Yep, and I don't see much difference between the Zionists and the Nazis.
Oh wait, Askenazionists they should be called.
andy
March 6th, 2011 at 9:23 pm
Your whacked, buddy.
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