The completely dishonest hate and fear Muslims lobby has spent the last few weeks crying their eyes out over all the guilt by association being applied to them by those noticing that the accused mass murderer from the Norway attacks thinks they’re just great [.pdf] and recommends their blogs to you for further “study.”
These are the same people whose entire game is pushing their ridiculous Protocols of the Elders of Islam nonsense that combines all Muslims on earth into an evil aggressor Islamo-fascist caliphate conspiracy of terrorism bent on enslaving us under Sharia law.
And now Robert Spencer and Pamela Geller, two of the very worst of these wannabe-Gaffneys, are smearing Antiwar.com writer Philip Giraldi, and by extension, congressman Ron Paul.
Giraldi’s crime? Well, nothing. Just some old time guilt by association is all. This time the hoax/bigot/lunatic site “Veterans Today” reprinted his article “Neo-Cons and Muslim Haters” — about Geller, Spencer et al — which they apparently copy/pasted from the website of the Council for the National Interest, where Giraldi is executive director.
(Giraldi confirmed to me that he has no connection whatsoever with the kooks at “Veterans Today.”)
But Spencer and Geller couldn’t be bothered to find the original post, or they did, but then lied anyway. Giraldi writes for VT, they claimed, so he’s an anti-Semite, and Ron Paul is too since Giraldi has been an adviser to him!
(And what a dummy Phil is, they claimed, for getting the caption wrong, when it was not included in his post at CNIOnline.)
Who cares, why blog it? I don’t know.
Anyway, when I called them out in the comments, they both simply deleted the comments and then banned me.
For the record, here’s the now-deleted comment I wrote on both of their sites:
“All it took was 5 seconds on Google to find that this article was written for the Council for the National Interest, and was simply copy/pasted by the racist-loon site Veterans Today. Giraldi does not write for them, nor did he use that picture in his original. http://www.cnionline.org/neo-cons-and-muslim-haters/ But then again who listens to you but Breivik the mass murderer anyway?”
There. So now you know. Robert Spencer and Pamela Geller are dishonest-types.
I think I lost brain cells by visiting those sites. Does anyone else think those people share the same mental disorder? Two sides of the same coin?
A visit to that site is the intellectual equivalent of showing a bonsai tree to a woodpecker,
A fake, plastic-nosed witch engaging in mendacity? Perish the thought.
"…racist-loon site VeteransToday." Really Scott? I must have missed that entirely. I've read a number of articles by Gordon Duff and he never struck me as "racist or loony."
Oh well, one man's racist-loony is another man's point of view. I think you're way off the mark here.
Can we still be friends?
respectfully,
skulz
I don't know about "racist" or "loony" but Duff is definitely dishonest. Of course, I'm basing this on my own interactions so I don't expect anyone to take my word for it. In fact, it's not uncommon for me to agree with Duff. Still, many of his arguments boil down to "take my word on this". He also has a habit of deleting entire comment threads (civil threads at that) that ask questions that he can't or won't answer… questions that usually expose flaws in the theory he is promoting.
I'd still be your friend though.
Hi Frank:And thank you. I'm not sure what started Horton on his shredding of VeteransToday and frankly, I don't really want to know. It just sort of took me by surprise. I've had exchanges with Gordon Duff and he was civil and courteous and that's all I know. I don't always read VeteransToday and so I'm probably just a mite behind on the issue. Being one serious student of our global quagmires at present, I'm still learning. I do dislike seeing one site waxing all manner of vitriolic with some other site and damn, if we don't get along well, we are freaking doomed. Again I concede that I'm probably just talking out me arse about things I know nothing of. One more thing I've got to get up to speed on. Not the talking out me arse motif, I've got that part down pat.Maybe Horton's beef with VeteransToday can't be fixed. I know about stuff like that. I got tagged as 'auntySemitic' by WashingtonIndependent's Spencer Ackerman and about the only thing I'd like to exchange with Ackerman would be bricks up close and personal. Concession one more time, really doesn't matter much. I'm about nobody and Horton is all manner of important and so it goes. Thank you for being my friend. I don't have too many friends and usually I just chalk that up to the dissidence motif and criticizing Israel. Oh yeah, I get on Israel/Zionism like an ugly gorilla suit. Israeli government and their insane apartheid policies. As for Geller, Spencer, and the zionistas from hell, one can't tell them not a thing. They's freaking crazier than bat's crapping sideways into the wind. respectfully,skulz
You'd think WND could find someone that knew how to use photoshop to touch-up that photo. As someone with a background in graphic design, that horrible job offends me.
You do no one any favors by dissing VT as a loon site.
The loons are Geller and spencer. Stick to the facts.
Were not Robert Spencer and Pamela Geller who invented guilt by association ?
“Veterans Today” is a "hoax/bigot/lunatic" site but Geller, Spencer and crew are merely "dishonest?" I am afraid your judgment is severely impaired, sir.
I've never seen VT post anything remotely "bigoted" unless you consider knee-jerk accusations of anti-Semitism to be valid, which no sane person does.
You people have no sense of humor. Sorry for not spelling it out in all CAPITALS for you. Spencer and Geller are way worse than the pretend staff at stupid Veterans Today.
"Dishonest types" was supposed to be funny in a vast-understatement sort of way.
And by the way "hoax/bigot/lunatic site" in the above entry is a link. Did any of you try clicking it?
If the Israeli Foreign Ministry didn't invent Veterans Today, they should have.
Sorry. No coffee yet.
Y'all's sense of humor is awesome.
dude, wtf is with that picture ?!?!?! I would cry photoshop, but with her, it's damn near impossible to tell what's fake and what's … well …fake.
No mention of "racist" in the site you linked under the "hoax/bigot/lunatic" link you provided. So "racist" just tripped off your keyboard on autosmear I guess.
"Racist" is on you, dude.
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/06/10/imf-sex-s…
"kooks," "loons," "racists"
Nice bit of gatekeeper discourse management. "we" don't talk to people like that but we talk to people like Geller and Spencer and admonish them to correct their errors.
Ask them what they think about The Terror Enigma by Justin Raimondo
Geller and Spencer are both Zionist Jews who are trying to make Israel's muslim enemies into America's enemies by promoting some BS about Islam taking over America when muslims aren't even the one's who control the press or congress. The last that I heard it dual American/Israeli citizens who have wrecked this countries national image and got us involved in every single war in the Middle East. Never forget that on 9/11 three Mossad agents cheered and filmed the Twin Towers fall down as recorded it on video.
To the person at 208.65.192.1 who only reports the anti-Jewish comments over the past year: When you are dealing with a staff of people several of whom are not only Jewish in heritage but are members of other minority groups as well, you are not dealing with people who are easily offended. Perhaps demonstrate good faith by acknowledging that in the US, it is Arabs, Persians, and Muslims at risk as victims of violence, hence the situation one should be attentive to if one is sincere about ending racist violence. Angela Keaton — Moderator
My comment is not anti-Jewish. It is the truth. How can the truth be anti-Jewish? Is it anti-Jewish to point out that Robert Spencer and Pamela Geller are all Jewish and that their entire reason for being is to create a domestic enemy out of Muslims here in the USA when there really is none? Sure Israel has Muslim enemies because they brutally ethnically cleanse Muslims out of their own land for not being Jewish under the ridiculous pretext that Jews lived there 2 thousand years ago. But that's not AMerica's problem and Americans shouldn't have to expend their wealth or their lives for Israel's problems – unless they want to, of course. But they obviously don't and that's why we have lies of "Iraqi WMD" and "Iranian nukes" because defending Israel isn't a popular sell here in the US and that's why you have to lie about the real causes of the wars.
It's also not anti-Jewish to say that the entire mainstream press is owned by people who are Jewish and that it is biased in favor of Israel at all costs even when they commit vicious crimes against humanity. It's also not anti-Jewish to point that many people in top government positions in the USA are not only Jewish, but dual US/Israeli citizens and they often use their positions to create policies in favor to Israel that detrimental to the US.
I will not be bullied by 208.65.192.1 whom I can now safely assume is a racist like Little Paulie. And don't refer to me by my first name. I'm not your sister, mother, wife. Sexism is still alive and well but that's for another day.
I have now found Anti-American comments by Samuel Karpov which explain his particular attention to certain bigots and not others. So I will consider removing posting privileges for both "Sam" and Little Paulie. Aviv Regev and VietNamNavy Vet have also been recommended for banning for use of code words as well. Anyone else?
Oh, now you are banning people? How “libertarian” of you…
What the hell have I even done apart from pointing out undeniable facts that you gratuitously consider to be “anti-Jewish?” This is flat-out censorship. I don’t even have anything to do with the other people you mentioned.
Moderator’s note: I’m unaware that you’ve been banned, but there’s no “now” about it. We’ve always banned people who think they’re entitled to use Antiwar.com as a platform for racist/anti-semitic propaganda (whether or not you fall under that descriptor is a different question). Refusing to provide such people with a microphone isn’t “censorship” — they’re free to state their views, just not to use our resources as their stage for doing so – TLK
Yeah, but taking away a person's right to post here on your website certain views which anybody, such as Angela Keaton, considers "anti-Jewish" is censorship if you what you are posting are facts. I haven't said anything even remotely racist in any of the posts on this article and Keaton called me a "racist." It's not my fault that most of the people who are starting all of the wars in the Middle East and pushing America to expend it's valuable resources, economy, national prestige and the lives of its citizens for the sake of Israel are Jewish. That's simply a fact and stating it doesn't make me "anti-Jewish."
I think that one of the main reasons that mass-murderers who are literally responsible for the deaths of MILLIONS of people in the Middle East and the torture of countless others such as Bill Kristol, Norman Podhoretz, Richard Perle, Paul Wolfowitz, Doug Feith can get away with what they are doing is because people are too scared to admit that they are Jewish and dual America/Israel citizens who are willing to sacrifice the United States for Israel.
Pointing out these facts isn't racist and preventing people from "us[ing] our resources as their stage" is nothing but a euphemism for censorship.
Spencer says he is Turkish and Catholic.
Peter King is an Irish Catholic racist. Racists come in all varieties.
I agree. There are even people who call themselves Libertarians that are racist. I'm tired of the 9/11 truth movement and the War Party's racism. They are like twins who have taken different sides of a racist argument. They defend one group of people and demonize another with their black and white thinking.
It's a Zionist conspiracy, oh my! Just look how pathetic and hateful you people all are, you dumb damn bigots. Fuck you.
The Veterans Today site is a looney kook site. It is about as misnamed as one can get. As far as Philip Giraldi being anti-Jewish, I say he is guilty. Look at his facebook page and who some of his friends are. Mark Glenn is a friend and a notorious Holocaust denier.
Dang. Then I'm every worst-thing-in-the-world.
Have you seen some of the crap my facebook friends believe?
Shooooot. They're crazy. Some of them even post crap from Veterans Today sometimes.
Perhaps one day the world will rise up against the Zionists.
A complaint about this comment reads:
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Rise up against the "Zionists". This is a code word for JEWS. Will you remove it Angela?
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No, Zionists is not "a code word for JEWS." "Jewish" is an ethnic/religious adjective. "Zionist" is a political descriptor. There are loads of non-Jewish Zionists (I'm one of them).
The last dime you get from me until Horton cites evidence that VT is racist.
Since my response to Sean was censored, let me rephrase my observation: why doesn't Antiwar.com have an article that celebrates the addition of Alan Dershowitz to Julian Assange's defense team
Just check the pieces by Captain May, J. Bruce campbell and the wife of holocaust denier Ernst Zundel (forgot her name). And don't forget to read the comments as well.
An eyeopener I tell you.
Substitue the word JEW for MUSLIM in any of Geller/Spencer's racisit warmongering hateful articles, and they would be denounced as being anti-semitic Jew bashers.
And it must be then okay for you to blame those Zionist Joos for Islamophobia right?
@Scott
"Giraldi confirmed to me that he has no connection whatsoever with the kooks at “Veterans Today."
Really?
He is a columnist over there and his articles are posted on VT for more than a year. Do you really think he has no connection whatsoever with those kooks? How unintellectual do you think your readership is?
In an article posted there last year called "The Conservative Case for WikiLeaks", Gordon Duff (senior editor) posted a comment which reads the following:
"Phil published a second piece on American Conservative….taking a broader context. We are in contact. He does what he does…which I respect and support.
g"
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2010/12/10/the-conse…
Someone is lying here Mr. Horton.
FYI, some of Giraldi's articles on Antiwar are being copy/pasted by the racist-loon site Veterans Today as well. A bit disturbing don't you think?
"Someone is lying here Mr. Horton."
Uh. *Yeah.* Gordon Duff is lying.
Giraldi: "I don't care what they and their supporters say, but I have never communicated with Gordon Duff and I have never written anything for them. They cut and paste my pieces from antiwar and TAC… The only time I see anything from their website is when it pops up in google and even then I normally don't bother to look at the link. Last week VT was promoting the idea that the navy seals were killed by the US gov to keep them from telling what they know about the death of bin Laden… what more can I say?"
NavyVietnamWarVet, Sam, RA and Little Paulie have all been temporarily banned due to anti-semitism, nationalism and bigotry toward Italian Americans. Feel free to take it to Stormfront, Veterans Today, Front Page or Atlas Shrugged.
Holocaust as political industry
http://magazine.uchicago.edu/9910/html/letters.ht…
Read the letter above by Phil Giraldi
I guess a group known as the Council for the National Interest run by the Palestinian Authority must be okay as a foreign lobby group buying off American politicians and intelligence officials, it's only wrong to Antiwar.com that the Israelis can do it.
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