Obama Administration: Yes, We Can Kill Americans on US Soil
The controversy, arising out of the drone war, that President Obama has the authority to assassinate US citizens abroad in non-war zones just got even more disgraceful.
The Obama administration’s Attorney General Eric Holder sent a letter in response to persistent inquiries from Senator Rand Paul, who vowed to block the confirmation of John Brennan to CIA chief if the White House didn’t respond. In the letter, Holder maintains that the President does have the authority to kill US citizens on US soil without any due process.
“It is possible, I suppose, to imagine an extraordinary circumstance in which it would be necessary and appropriate under the Constitution and applicable laws of the United States for the President to authorize the military to use lethal force within the territory of the United States,” Holder wrote.
Holder’s caveat is that this scenario is “entirely hypothetical” because “the US government has not carried out drone strikes in the United States and has no intention of doing so.” Furthermore, “as a policy matter…we reject the use of military force where well-established law enforcement authorities in this country provide the best means for incapacitating a terrorist threat.”
Still, the concluding legal opinion represents a radical betrayal of constitutional limits imposed on the state for depriving citizens of life, liberty and property. Officially now, Obama’s kingly authority to play Judge, Jury, and Executioner and deprive Americans of their life without due process of law applies not only to Americans abroad but to citizens that are inside the United States.
“The US Attorney General’s refusal to rule out the possibility of drone strikes on American citizens and on American soil is more than frightening – it is an affront the Constitutional due process rights of all Americans,” Sen. Paul said in a statement.
Holder, along with the Obama administration, is making it seem as if the President’s use of lethal force, as in the drone war, would only be used in circumstances like another impending 9/11 attack or something. Only when an attack is imminent.
But that categorical limitation on the President’s authority to kill depends upon their definition of “imminence,” which we learned from a leaked Justice Department white paper last month, is extremely broad.
The memo refers to what it calls a “broader concept of imminence” than what has traditionally been required, like actual intelligence of an ongoing plot against the US.
“The condition that an operational leader present an ‘imminent’ threat of violent attack against the United States does not require the United States to have clear evidence that a specific attack on U.S. persons and interests will take place in the immediate future,” the memo states, contradicting conventional international law.
Instead, so long as an “informed, high-level” US official claims the targeted American has been “recently” involved in “activities” that pose a threat and “there is no evidence suggesting that he has renounced or abandoned such activities,” then the President can order his assassination. The memo does not define “recently” or “activities.”
Holder also insists that in the case of such “extraordinary circumstances,” like another impending 9/11, he ”would examine the particular facts and circumstances before advising the president of the scope of his authority.”
Boy, do I feel comforted.
musings
March 5th, 2013 at 2:47 pm
What did D(r)o(r)ner say? "I am your exigent circumstance." I am sure that the first time anyone uses this technique within the US to avoid that tiresome due process of law, they will cite D(r)o(r)ner as their "Extraordinary Circumstance."
O what a tangled web we weave.
anndoc
March 5th, 2013 at 3:06 pm
Holder's statement that “…as a policy matter…we reject the use of military force where well-established law enforcement authorities in this country provide the best means for incapacitating a terrorist threat” is meaningless and probably a bit snide when he is well aware that our "well-established law enforcement authorities" are themselves militarized to the hilt and are a "military force" in all but name.
Bob
March 5th, 2013 at 3:16 pm
Another of our constitutional rights taken away by the Obama administration, they can justify using this without giving a citizen due process under the constitution…….
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March 5th, 2013 at 3:31 pm
otay. how do like me now? says this American! there seems to be more “citizens” saying that as long as they are making whores they can get away with it. terrorist are terrorist whether they are forcing people into prostitution or bombing buildings!
Mixedheritage007
March 5th, 2013 at 3:31 pm
We got four years of this, whether we like it or not. We might as well be mature about it and not whine (general statement!) like children. I always pray for the best, and hey, look at the bright side. Venezuela’s president died today, at least we have one less to worry about.
joe
March 5th, 2013 at 4:07 pm
Sheriff Buford Pusser while showing the jury his scars in the movie Walking Tall "If you let them do this to me and get away with it, THEN YOU'RE GIVING THEM THE ETERNAL RIGHT TO DO THE SAME DAMN THING TO ANY ONE OF YOU !
Moe7
March 5th, 2013 at 4:25 pm
The American people are brain dead.
Eileen Kuch
March 5th, 2013 at 4:29 pm
The Right to Life, one of the three Rights Thomas Jefferson named in the Declaration of Independence (the other two being Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness), is an unalienable Right that NO government can either grant or take away. Only God has that right.
A.G. Holder and President Obama can bluster all they want about murdering US citizens without due process; but that doesn't change anything, only makes them mass murderers subject to prosecution, and, perhaps, the death penalty.
IB Forum
March 5th, 2013 at 6:39 pm
Cops in this country have been trusted by most of the citizens to make decisions to take life with the benefit of a trial, judge or jury. If we are going to be protected from terrorists in this country (remember nine eleven) it does not matter to me one whit where that terrorist comes from…….if my next door neighbor is about to help or actually kill other Americans……then I hope to God that some one from my government blows him/her away……..unlike what they did during nine eleven when they sat on their hands. No one and I mean no one was ever held accountable for the horrendous failings by our government servants who allowed the tragedies on nine eleven to happen. This time around it has to be different, other wise we might as well just invite the terrorists to run this country……when pukes like those here complain about their rights being taken it makes me wish that if we are more attentive next time (and there will be a next time) well, I hope those complaining will be on the next set of planes instead of citizens who realize that there are such things as exigent circumstances.
SammyE
March 5th, 2013 at 7:06 pm
America is dead and finished and not worth defending or protecting.
anti_republocrat
March 5th, 2013 at 7:09 pm
Note also that "incapacitate" is not the same as "arrest."
It is Coming
March 5th, 2013 at 7:59 pm
I am an old man. Since the 1970s, I have been politically involved as a libertarian. I've spent forty years trying to tell people that this was coming, but the electorate has continuously voted for the statist of both major parties. They all want to control this or that. If you deny others their right. sooner or later you will also lose your right to do the things you want. It is nearly hopeless now. It is your problem now. I will not be around to see the horror that this nation will become.
mojo
March 5th, 2013 at 8:14 pm
Democracy.., what democracy…, justice.., what justice.., we just want your vote.., that's all….! If you don't follow we have lots of other options to govern your life.., killing you is one of them.
Sagar
March 5th, 2013 at 8:30 pm
One more Civil War is looming over the United States, this time against the monsters willing to kill anyone who stands in their way to corporate nirvana. Hollywood will love the grand stories the future is about to spawn!
Theo baumann
March 5th, 2013 at 9:02 pm
Could not have said it any better!
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March 6th, 2013 at 12:27 am
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ghouri
March 6th, 2013 at 2:57 am
I don,t mind if americans are killed through drones on their soil but not other soil and nations as americans are free to kill their people for Israelis.
Joe Ed
March 6th, 2013 at 4:39 am
What the hell happened to our country?
I am not sure but I think it's Israelification has done this to us
El Tonno
March 6th, 2013 at 4:46 am
JUST IN TIME for the 20-year anniversary of the BRANCH DAVIDIAN "OOPS SO SORRY" OVERKILL
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joe
March 6th, 2013 at 7:09 am
Joe Ed was right on with his “Israelification” quip. Israel as Ari Sharon said thoroughly controls the US Govn’t. Therefore if you want International protection for Israel committing 60 Yrs.of assorted war crimes and crimes against humanity the best protection is to get that number one military power that you control committing the same crimes,that takes the attention away from Israel and if the world doesn't’t like it ,what can they do about it .Nothing. But we,the US citizens, lose our rights as well as our souls.
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Axle
March 6th, 2013 at 10:00 am
Wake up y'all we get the government we deserve.
Things r gonna get much worse.
The presidency of Obama will look saintly 10 years from now.
And we deserve everything we get.
Why?
Because we stood by and let it happen.
Hell, most of us rooted for it while it was happening.
So stfu and recognize the sublime justice of all that is happening.
We get to live under the same torment weve influcted to other people obroad.
Its hilarious.
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Heathcliff_Maw
March 6th, 2013 at 11:47 am
"…appropriate under the Constitution and applicable laws of the United States for the President to authorize the military to use lethal force within the territory of the United States…."
Holder should be thrown out of office for not knowing about the POSSE COMITATUS ACT. We have police forces and due process to handle any threatening situation.
rosemerry
March 6th, 2013 at 11:49 am
It seems you are right. Why is Israel the only "nation" of importance in the world?
Mason
March 6th, 2013 at 12:17 pm
I have no doubt that the founding fathers would view just the fact that they even make this claim as an impeachable offense.
Studen
March 6th, 2013 at 12:20 pm
Not really. Talk to most people, and you won't find much support for this. To me, its very similar to before the fall of the Soviet Union. Everyone knows that things have gone badly wrong. Just few if any know what to do about it. So they stay quiet and out of trouble. But, in the Soviet Union, as soon as a chance for change emerged, there were millions of people in the streets demanding change. In the US, Obama put a fake-change sign on his campaign and 2008 and the American people responded strongly. The same with the response the Occupy movement originally got before it was subverted and crushed. To me, it feels like a very dry brushland that any spark could easily set ablaze
Peter
March 6th, 2013 at 12:23 pm
Obama is a tyrant and has far surpassed Bush in repression. Mr Fast and Furious" Eric Holder has turned out to be far worse than John Ashcroft or Roberto Gonzales. Impeachment is more than warranted with a prison sentence to a drop the soap institution. I know it will not happen. We are past the point in presidential power where Obama can be constitutionally challenged by Congress even if Congress was willing. All of our governmental institutions are failing us. The system will never reform itself. "If peaceful change is impossible, violent change is inevitable" JFK
VotedGreen
March 6th, 2013 at 12:24 pm
In the last election, there were multiple candidates on the ballot that would not have supported this policy, and who would have embarked on our own journey of Glasnost and Peristroika. According to the vote counting computers, they got less than 3% of the vote. And, since I know very few people who joined me in voting for them, I can't really say those computer generated numbers were wrong.
This would appear to not only be the government that the American people deserves, but also the government that the American people desires. Then again, Hitler was very popular until everything crashed down around him. Then you got to see and hear millions of Germans saying they didn't support him and that they had know idea what was happening at the camp outside of town that smelled like death.
VotedGreen
March 6th, 2013 at 12:28 pm
The legal case is built upon the Dubya/Obama fiction that we are at war. After all, no one doubts that the President and the military would have the legal right to use military force to fight off an armed invader, such as in the War of 1812. What's absurd is this notion that we are at war with some vague and ill-defined and ever-changing group of 'terrorists', and that as such now the President now claims the authority of a tyrant that he can call anyone a 'terrorist' and say we are at war with them and thus kill them.
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Jaime
March 6th, 2013 at 1:40 pm
However this is the people that support drones (99%).
Jaime
March 6th, 2013 at 1:46 pm
Except that it is more believable hearing a 1940 German say that he didn't know what was going on than a 21 century North American who has all the information tools at his disposal. The worst part is that they don't care.
Stuart Davies
March 6th, 2013 at 4:39 pm
Glad to see that the govt is prepared to take extreme action to prevent another 9/11.So, the next time we have a covert ops false flag attack planned by govt agents, they will take themselves out with a drone strike, right? Or perhaps it will be another sort of "domestic terrorism" they have in mind, such as non-violent protestors against governmental collusion with corporate/bankster criminal conspiracies. The "patriot" act defines civil disobedience intended to "coerce" the government as domestic terrorism, and of course the government has no problem using agent provocateurs to commit the desired acts of vandalism, arson, and violence at otherwise non-violent protests. Ah, what a Brave New paragon of Democracy we have become!
Teri
March 6th, 2013 at 4:52 pm
Furthermore, if we ever contemplate a revolution, let alone try to organize one, Obama the tyrant
would drone us because we would be the "new ingrown terrorists". The Obama administration is no
different from the Assad regime, the pariah state of Israel, to name a few. This is no democracy.
Nelson
March 6th, 2013 at 5:59 pm
The ideal of innocent until proven guilty in a court of law, adjudged so by a jury of your peers is gone.
The reality is that the corporatists and their reactionary standards have effectively committed a coup d' etat. We are now under obligation to a government that obeys no laws and makes its own rules of conduct with regards to its citizens.
A new Constitutional Congress must be called, a new Constitution must be agreed upon or as it now stands we have doomed this nation to fascism and an authoritarian regime of the worst kind. Along with the authoritarian regime we will endure a generation of anarchy. No longer will this action function as a democracy but we will flounder in an atmosphere of violent retribution for disagreeing with the authorities.
Dean
March 6th, 2013 at 8:35 pm
It is comming ever so closer, REVOLUTION!
When the people see they are no longer free, and are slaves to the empire, there will be only one course of action, that is to fight for your freedom.
Andron
March 6th, 2013 at 9:28 pm
Well you are killing everybody else in the World So why not a few Americans too?
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Yontan
March 7th, 2013 at 1:56 am
The Constitution is just a piece of paper as far as the US government is concerned.
richard vajs
March 7th, 2013 at 5:04 am
This should come as no big surprise – the American Government has always killed its own people -( big time) in 1861-1865, Wounded Knee, Kent State, Move On, etc., whenever individuals act too independently.
Don't get fooled once more – Rand Paul does not really care about individual freedom, he is just trying to get the bad taste of capitulation out of everyone's mouth plus he gets to blame Obama for something that the Republicans would do also in a New York second as soon as they get back into power.
michaelgaia
March 7th, 2013 at 5:21 am
we've finally finally hit rock bottom as a society. To announce that you can murder citizens without due process is the ultimate in betrayal to the people, to ones values and principles, to due process, to rule of law, to the constitution and to ones idea of a diety or higher thought. F*** the united states of mordor where now its not silly,cliche,or exaggerating to say that america is now EVIL, it is simply fact…
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michaelgaia
March 7th, 2013 at 5:34 am
"The power of the Executive to cast a man into prison without formulating any charge known to the law, and participatory to deny him the judgment of his peers, is in the highest degree odious and is the foundation of all totalitarian government whether nazi or communist." Winston Churchill
We deny the constitutional right to due process and now it's official we deny you your life by E/O which would make america a tyranny on steroids…
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PDG
March 7th, 2013 at 10:44 am
Well you would be.
PDG
March 7th, 2013 at 10:58 am
Only become evil just now? Ask the people of Nicaragua who revolted when there was no other option. Ask – millions of people around the world – and they will tell you it's not a recent thing!
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@cecil823
March 8th, 2013 at 7:27 pm
I can't believe this whole topic is up for discussion. Have I gone to sleep and this is just some kind of totalitarian nightmare? I keep pinching myself REAL HARD, I I can't seem to wake from this nightmare.
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