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	<title>Comments on: Mike Gravel</title>
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		<title>By: eep</title>
		<link>http://antiwar.com/radio/2008/04/07/mike-gravel/comment-page-1/#comment-1849</link>
		<dc:creator>eep</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 11:07:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought about the problem of Gravel&#039;s proposal and my response. The main obstacle is that we have a compulsory educational system that is designed to churn out obedient authority worshiping consumers with skills, behavior, and knowledge for a specific economic class. You can force people into indoctrination night and day but they still wouldn&#039;t have enough understanding and skills to make good decisions. People are purposely denied the full development of their minds. An uneducated population isn&#039;t capable of self-government or direct democracy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought about the problem of Gravel&#8217;s proposal and my response. The main obstacle is that we have a compulsory educational system that is designed to churn out obedient authority worshiping consumers with skills, behavior, and knowledge for a specific economic class. You can force people into indoctrination night and day but they still wouldn&#8217;t have enough understanding and skills to make good decisions. People are purposely denied the full development of their minds. An uneducated population isn&#8217;t capable of self-government or direct democracy.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Weinberg</title>
		<link>http://antiwar.com/radio/2008/04/07/mike-gravel/comment-page-1/#comment-976</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Weinberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 02:02:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This interview really did crack me up.  I decided to come back and relisten to it after debating a Gravelite.  I do not think that they understand the idea behind public polling and how accurate it actually can be.  I commend Scott for attempting to interview Mr. Gravel... but his philosophy is no more clear or attractive after listening to him for approximately half an hour.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This interview really did crack me up.  I decided to come back and relisten to it after debating a Gravelite.  I do not think that they understand the idea behind public polling and how accurate it actually can be.  I commend Scott for attempting to interview Mr. Gravel&#8230; but his philosophy is no more clear or attractive after listening to him for approximately half an hour.</p>
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		<title>By: Questioneer</title>
		<link>http://antiwar.com/radio/2008/04/07/mike-gravel/comment-page-1/#comment-956</link>
		<dc:creator>Questioneer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 02:02:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We don&#039;t need the U.N. sorry mike you are all wet...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We don&#8217;t need the U.N. sorry mike you are all wet&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Franco</title>
		<link>http://antiwar.com/radio/2008/04/07/mike-gravel/comment-page-1/#comment-789</link>
		<dc:creator>Franco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 15:52:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike Gravel is a good candidate you shouldnt have jumped on him like you did. Remember he is the one who made it possible for all you argumentative libertarians who cant agree on anything to sit at home and eat fast food instead of being more meat for the grinder in iraq.  You should have a little more respect for an elder statesman like Gravel. Gravel is one of the few and I mean &quot;Few&quot; meaning handful  of politicians that are not corrupted. He is a good man and attacking him like children in a playground is disgusting. Im happy I dont listen to this radio. 

Gravel / Paul 2008</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike Gravel is a good candidate you shouldnt have jumped on him like you did. Remember he is the one who made it possible for all you argumentative libertarians who cant agree on anything to sit at home and eat fast food instead of being more meat for the grinder in iraq.  You should have a little more respect for an elder statesman like Gravel. Gravel is one of the few and I mean &#8220;Few&#8221; meaning handful  of politicians that are not corrupted. He is a good man and attacking him like children in a playground is disgusting. Im happy I dont listen to this radio. </p>
<p>Gravel / Paul 2008</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Walls</title>
		<link>http://antiwar.com/radio/2008/04/07/mike-gravel/comment-page-1/#comment-716</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Walls</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 20:35:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s interesting how Gravel avoided (or didn&#039;t hear) Scott&#039;s question - if the UN should have the power to stop wars, doesn&#039;t it require the war power - one strong enough to defeat any warring nations.

Nonetheless old Mike is a respectable man, even though he is a little cranky and set in his ways. It&#039;s also funny how he pronounces libertarian: &quot;lib-uh-tarian.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s interesting how Gravel avoided (or didn&#8217;t hear) Scott&#8217;s question &#8211; if the UN should have the power to stop wars, doesn&#8217;t it require the war power &#8211; one strong enough to defeat any warring nations.</p>
<p>Nonetheless old Mike is a respectable man, even though he is a little cranky and set in his ways. It&#8217;s also funny how he pronounces libertarian: &#8220;lib-uh-tarian.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan Dawson</title>
		<link>http://antiwar.com/radio/2008/04/07/mike-gravel/comment-page-1/#comment-655</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan Dawson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 11:12:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Majority rule would lead us into a Christian theocracy.  No Thanks.
But I like Gravel and the things he is against but I am not for what he is for. Mob rule no thanks. Plutocratic rule (which Gravel calls the minority) no thank.  There is no THE minority it is the minorities. 

We have referendums which do let people make laws perse. We can&#039;t let people make laws so long as the government controls the media. And congress is no good either.

Key focus should be on building alternative media and breaking the corporate and media relationships. Its a meta issue. We can&#039;t change shite until we change the press.

Just look and think about how much the internet has changed information and politics for the people who use it.  Think about all the things you would not know about without it. That is the power of media. 

The argument does not have to be about the UN or the congress bla bla bla it needs to be about the media. Everyday there should be a story destroying mass media.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Majority rule would lead us into a Christian theocracy.  No Thanks.<br />
But I like Gravel and the things he is against but I am not for what he is for. Mob rule no thanks. Plutocratic rule (which Gravel calls the minority) no thank.  There is no THE minority it is the minorities. </p>
<p>We have referendums which do let people make laws perse. We can&#8217;t let people make laws so long as the government controls the media. And congress is no good either.</p>
<p>Key focus should be on building alternative media and breaking the corporate and media relationships. Its a meta issue. We can&#8217;t change shite until we change the press.</p>
<p>Just look and think about how much the internet has changed information and politics for the people who use it.  Think about all the things you would not know about without it. That is the power of media. </p>
<p>The argument does not have to be about the UN or the congress bla bla bla it needs to be about the media. Everyday there should be a story destroying mass media.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan Dawson</title>
		<link>http://antiwar.com/radio/2008/04/07/mike-gravel/comment-page-1/#comment-605</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan Dawson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 15:31:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>international bodies do not and have not prevented war. 

End war? do what was done in Japan just make it part of the constitution that you got to be attacked first. 

want to drastically reduce war? strip power away form religion. Take away the tax exemption. Make threatening little kids with being burned forever, considered a form of psychological terrorism. Seriously its these weirdos that grow up and become Bush supporters, Osama supporters, Olmert supporters etc. 

 if you want the US to stop war, and stop being hated so much then just end all aid to Israel, and stop threatening and attacking countries physically and economically. You don&#039;t need an international body to tell you to do that.  You just need more libertarians in office. Best way to do that is for all of us to focus a war on the mass media because without that controlled the neocons couldn&#039;t get away with anything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>international bodies do not and have not prevented war. </p>
<p>End war? do what was done in Japan just make it part of the constitution that you got to be attacked first. </p>
<p>want to drastically reduce war? strip power away form religion. Take away the tax exemption. Make threatening little kids with being burned forever, considered a form of psychological terrorism. Seriously its these weirdos that grow up and become Bush supporters, Osama supporters, Olmert supporters etc. </p>
<p> if you want the US to stop war, and stop being hated so much then just end all aid to Israel, and stop threatening and attacking countries physically and economically. You don&#8217;t need an international body to tell you to do that.  You just need more libertarians in office. Best way to do that is for all of us to focus a war on the mass media because without that controlled the neocons couldn&#8217;t get away with anything.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
		<link>http://antiwar.com/radio/2008/04/07/mike-gravel/comment-page-1/#comment-594</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 22:37:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who would have thought that the descendants of the people who fled Europe in hopes of better living conditions - and especially more autonomy for the common man - would worry most about the dangers of mob rule emanating from their fellow citizens and take cover under a representative system that makes sure that politicians do not lose contact with big enterprises?

Mr. Root is completely agreeable when he says that the middle class has to be restored. Indeed. Every person that has some basic overview of what is happening to society over the decades will see that the &quot;mob&quot; is in the making. How dare you denunciate your fellow citizens as &quot;mob&quot;?  But if you do not give them the means to protect their own autonomy they&#039;ll soon enough be a true mob, guided by the word of the demagogue and the law of conformity.

I wonder how many Libertarians are aware of their own nature as a political group. The purpose of Libertarians as a political group is to split the gullible portion of society. Whereas the gullible portion of society organizes itself in recent history almost exclusively by compromise along the lines of the perceived ethical behavior, which thus becomes the means to its control, the Libertarians organize themselves along the lines of being in accord with the doctrine. Neither the one nor the other form of organization needs any form of judgment, which is of course the crucial point, keeping in mind that these are forms of organization for the gullible.

Now, why would anybody want to split the gullible portion of society? Of course, Libertarians are only a tiny minority, so their value seems to be on first glance not very substantial. But if I may invoke the political insight of a great German statesman here: The masses are so dumb that they will stray from their course by the slightest opposition, by the slightest doubt that their course is correct. Hence the Libertarians, as tiny as they might be, do fulfill their purpose which is to stall political processes amongst those who cannot judge. 

Which is a good thing of course. But, as I said, the &quot;mob&quot; is in the making, the ability to judge is almost willfully eroded amongst the general population and the Libertarians as a political group are just a result of this increase, a necessary measure of control, because the gullible mass has become too big to anticipate any intrinsic process which might occur in it so that it is not any longer enough to just guide it by ethics but instead it is put into halt mode by confusion and inner conflict.

The most likely explanation for this increase is of course that such a group of people makes excellent slaves. Anger over this enslavement then is comfortably vented against the political power of the slaves which is quite cunningly held responsible for the enslavement by Libertarian doctrine.

It&#039;s a joke. The U.S. have been going straight down from the 50&#039;s on, I&#039;d say. The reason why people don&#039;t see this is because of professional progress. As long as a profession isn&#039;t exterminated it will progress, there is not one case in history where a profession would have regressed. That is because of the nature of knowledge which knows no such thing as anti-knowledge (not to be confused with information, you know only what you know.) But if you take that professional progress away and look at the creativity of a society as such, its ability to evolve as a culture, you&#039;ll see that since the 50&#039;s the U.S. are losing common ground, are losing culture. Liberals confuse individual liberties with progress in this regard, but individual liberties have only in so far to do with this as their presence or absence constitutes an obstacle to the functioning of the society. Differently put, there is no doubt that the American Dream was bigger in the 50&#039;s than ever since.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who would have thought that the descendants of the people who fled Europe in hopes of better living conditions &#8211; and especially more autonomy for the common man &#8211; would worry most about the dangers of mob rule emanating from their fellow citizens and take cover under a representative system that makes sure that politicians do not lose contact with big enterprises?</p>
<p>Mr. Root is completely agreeable when he says that the middle class has to be restored. Indeed. Every person that has some basic overview of what is happening to society over the decades will see that the &#8220;mob&#8221; is in the making. How dare you denunciate your fellow citizens as &#8220;mob&#8221;?  But if you do not give them the means to protect their own autonomy they&#8217;ll soon enough be a true mob, guided by the word of the demagogue and the law of conformity.</p>
<p>I wonder how many Libertarians are aware of their own nature as a political group. The purpose of Libertarians as a political group is to split the gullible portion of society. Whereas the gullible portion of society organizes itself in recent history almost exclusively by compromise along the lines of the perceived ethical behavior, which thus becomes the means to its control, the Libertarians organize themselves along the lines of being in accord with the doctrine. Neither the one nor the other form of organization needs any form of judgment, which is of course the crucial point, keeping in mind that these are forms of organization for the gullible.</p>
<p>Now, why would anybody want to split the gullible portion of society? Of course, Libertarians are only a tiny minority, so their value seems to be on first glance not very substantial. But if I may invoke the political insight of a great German statesman here: The masses are so dumb that they will stray from their course by the slightest opposition, by the slightest doubt that their course is correct. Hence the Libertarians, as tiny as they might be, do fulfill their purpose which is to stall political processes amongst those who cannot judge. </p>
<p>Which is a good thing of course. But, as I said, the &#8220;mob&#8221; is in the making, the ability to judge is almost willfully eroded amongst the general population and the Libertarians as a political group are just a result of this increase, a necessary measure of control, because the gullible mass has become too big to anticipate any intrinsic process which might occur in it so that it is not any longer enough to just guide it by ethics but instead it is put into halt mode by confusion and inner conflict.</p>
<p>The most likely explanation for this increase is of course that such a group of people makes excellent slaves. Anger over this enslavement then is comfortably vented against the political power of the slaves which is quite cunningly held responsible for the enslavement by Libertarian doctrine.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a joke. The U.S. have been going straight down from the 50&#8217;s on, I&#8217;d say. The reason why people don&#8217;t see this is because of professional progress. As long as a profession isn&#8217;t exterminated it will progress, there is not one case in history where a profession would have regressed. That is because of the nature of knowledge which knows no such thing as anti-knowledge (not to be confused with information, you know only what you know.) But if you take that professional progress away and look at the creativity of a society as such, its ability to evolve as a culture, you&#8217;ll see that since the 50&#8217;s the U.S. are losing common ground, are losing culture. Liberals confuse individual liberties with progress in this regard, but individual liberties have only in so far to do with this as their presence or absence constitutes an obstacle to the functioning of the society. Differently put, there is no doubt that the American Dream was bigger in the 50&#8217;s than ever since.</p>
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		<title>By: Lord of the Barnyard</title>
		<link>http://antiwar.com/radio/2008/04/07/mike-gravel/comment-page-1/#comment-578</link>
		<dc:creator>Lord of the Barnyard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 22:58:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I’m used to interviewing people who’ve written something I’m interested in.&quot;

True, but that&#039;s actually something that rubs me wrong about the show. Most of the interviewees are expecting and receiving leading questions to promote/explain the things they&#039;ve delved deeper into than you or I. Sometimes the &quot;we&#039;re on the same side&quot; mentality causes too much agreement. There&#039;s a whole bunch of not actually hearing what the other said leading to pleasurable back-rubs for all.
I&#039;d love you hear more contention and critique in these discussions.
Just a thought. I only recently started listening and do love the show.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I’m used to interviewing people who’ve written something I’m interested in.&#8221;</p>
<p>True, but that&#8217;s actually something that rubs me wrong about the show. Most of the interviewees are expecting and receiving leading questions to promote/explain the things they&#8217;ve delved deeper into than you or I. Sometimes the &#8220;we&#8217;re on the same side&#8221; mentality causes too much agreement. There&#8217;s a whole bunch of not actually hearing what the other said leading to pleasurable back-rubs for all.<br />
I&#8217;d love you hear more contention and critique in these discussions.<br />
Just a thought. I only recently started listening and do love the show.</p>
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		<title>By: C. Fountain</title>
		<link>http://antiwar.com/radio/2008/04/07/mike-gravel/comment-page-1/#comment-577</link>
		<dc:creator>C. Fountain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 22:31:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I disagree. Scott, you were absolutley right to challenge Gravel on the issues raised. I think it is just hard for you to accept that someone could call themselves &#039;Libertarian&#039; while also advocating &#039;global government&#039; (I know it was for me). I knew we were in for a donnybrook when Gravel said a Democracy means the same thing as a Republic(?!)
We are blessed to have a Constitution that provides enumerated powers and responsibilities to the Fed gov&#039;t, and allows the &#039;several states&#039; to handle the rest. While allowing citizen influence, it tries to mitigate mob rule through representation. Hopefully, we can get back to that concept and practice...but based on this interview, I don&#039;t think Gravel would be the one to get us there.

Peace be with you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I disagree. Scott, you were absolutley right to challenge Gravel on the issues raised. I think it is just hard for you to accept that someone could call themselves &#8216;Libertarian&#8217; while also advocating &#8216;global government&#8217; (I know it was for me). I knew we were in for a donnybrook when Gravel said a Democracy means the same thing as a Republic(?!)<br />
We are blessed to have a Constitution that provides enumerated powers and responsibilities to the Fed gov&#8217;t, and allows the &#8217;several states&#8217; to handle the rest. While allowing citizen influence, it tries to mitigate mob rule through representation. Hopefully, we can get back to that concept and practice&#8230;but based on this interview, I don&#8217;t think Gravel would be the one to get us there.</p>
<p>Peace be with you.</p>
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