Comments on: Gareth Porter

By: BetterThanNoSN

BetterThanNoSN — Tue, 13 May 2008 01:15:39 +0000

Yes Daniel, as the Gulf of Tonkin incident was also a conspiracy theory. Oh, no wait, thats right, we used it as a False Flag incident to help launch the Vietnam war.
You have one problem Daniel, one threshold you cannot cross so you will continue to accuse people like me of being conspiracy theorists. That our govt would never do anything contrary to the best interests of its people. The govt in nazi Germany did all the same propaganda BS our govt has been feeding us to have reached the point we are now, gross civil liberty violations, politicization of every branch of government, including and worst of all, the Justice Dept. Yeah, I’m a real nut for not trusting what the govt. tells me the truth really is, is unchallengingly true. And i have no doubt my E-mails are read, as they have already admitted they look at all of our E-mails.

By: Daniel

Daniel — Mon, 12 May 2008 21:19:51 +0000

Also BetterThan you claim that refutations by skeptics have been so lame and unbelieve but you cite no examples. Generally speaking the refutations I have been found have demolished the conspiracist claims.

But really you know deep down you believe none of what you’re saying – if this supposed conspiracy carrying out 9/11 ran the government and you believed it, you would know certain things; 1) they can find people like you without a problem 2) they can liquidate you with no repercussions. You’re able to say this nonesense only because you know its bullshit.

By: Daniel

Daniel — Mon, 12 May 2008 21:13:28 +0000

the Cui bono (who benefits) fallacy.

By: Daniel

Daniel — Mon, 12 May 2008 21:11:27 +0000

You’re talking about WTC 7 and saying that the explanation for its collapse is equivalent to magic dust. Actually it was located above an old gas fired Con Ed power station. The line feeding the gas to the station was ruptured right next to the main structural member.

Counterpunch.org did a good debunking of this conspiracy stuff. Contrary to what you say as questions have gained prominence, they have been systematically refuted. Try the fallacy some internet nerds used that the fires couldn’t have contributed to the collapses because jet fuel doesn’t burn hot enough to melt steel. Skeptics pointed out that they burned plenty hot enough to rob the steel of most of its strength. Try the free fall collapse crap – skeptics showed it didn’t free fall collapse by timing the videotape. Try the whole controlled demolition nonesense – as I mentioned the collapse was nothing like a demolition – it collapsed top down. Hundreds of government officials plotting to commit mass murder against their own country? And still you can produce no evidence – you should have some before you make the claim – or excuse me – use the disingenuous line about having questions. There are “questions” about anything be it the moon landing or D-Day its just that reasonable people don’t imply either one never happened.

In the absence of any evidence and with Bin Laden claiming credit – you’re left with

By: BetterThanNoSN

BetterThanNoSN — Mon, 12 May 2008 16:24:32 +0000

And Daniel, you miss the bigger point. The POINT is that there are many QUESTIONS that have never been answered. And ones that have been responded to were so lame and unbelievable that those who ask these questions aren’t satisfied. I don’t claim the govt did it, but knowing all that was on the line for the neo-cons and how this propelled all their foreign war ambitions to the forefront, it was just one helluva lucky break for them, eh??
You may be right about WTC1, WTC2…but when a building falls from magic dust blown at it from the other towers that fell…..well, maybe you should have a question or 2 yourself. (oh, and by the way, yes they had the same owner, Larry Silverstein, another coincidence of course, who was on audiotape saying to ‘pull it’. Was he talking about his finger??)

By: BetterThanNoSN

BetterThanNoSN — Mon, 12 May 2008 16:12:40 +0000

Yeah Maher, the US should decapitate Iran so Israel can feel warm and fuzzy. Maybe we should act in the best interest of the US instead of Israel for once.
How the hell do we let AIPAC dictate our foreign policy? With the blessing of ignorant fools like yourself and the neo-cons in the WH.

By: Daniel

Daniel — Mon, 12 May 2008 04:31:21 +0000

These conspiracy nuts think that day-of video snipets of people likening the collapse to a demolition are evidence. They were just describing it using the only comparable imagery they’ve been exposed to. This does not equal evidence that there were explosives in the buildings. If you want to prove something you need evidence. The Cui bono (who benefits)? stuff is fallacy.

By: Daniel

Daniel — Mon, 12 May 2008 04:26:18 +0000

Yeah Halliburton’s legion of 800 explosive experts placed tonnes of explosives in the building undetected using their high tech invisibility cloaks. Then their pilots flew the planes right into the sections of the buildings rigged to collapse from the explosives.

But seriously, the idiocy of these people is shown by the widespread automatic acceptance of the fallacy that the buildings fell just like a “controlled demolition.” When buildings are blown up the bottom floor is set to give way first – not the 80.

As for the idea that they fell too fast. When the initial floor failed the rest of the building become a ramrod weighing hundreds of thousands of tonnes. The kinetic energy would be plenty to make each successive floor give way instantaneously. These jackasses think the building was supposed to pause for a second at each floor. One doesn’t need to know physics to know this is rubbish – its obvious from universal experience. God you people are dumb.

By: Dr. Debra

Dr. Debra — Sun, 11 May 2008 20:10:36 +0000

9/11 was and is the pretense for everything. This so-called reason has to be exposed for what it is really is. Shame on all of you who don’t think that 9/11 and these endless wars are not linked. Shame on that post that said the paper fires brought down the towers. Do the research yourselves; the “official” story is a sieve, so full of holes that absolutely no sense can be contained in it.

By: the legendary Bill

the legendary Bill — Sun, 11 May 2008 12:07:55 +0000

You’re right Fosbach but it will keep coming back to that..GW Bush, shortly after 9-11, said ” and don’t listen to all the conspiracy theories about what happened on 9-11″…That should tell you to start listening because they obviously don’t want anything to obstruct the usefulness of their new Reichstag Fire…
A larger war in the Middle East is inevitable BECAUSE of 9-11..So we have to talk about it..The occupation of Afghanistan was mostly about pipelines and military bases…and was planned before 9-11..A former UNOCAL employee was installed as president and the first order of business was a deal w/the Northern Alliance to build the pipeline to the Caspian Sea natural gas and oil fields that the Taliban had turned down…
This larger war is coming…the only thing you can do is educate yourself, survive it and tell your grandkids what SOB’s the neo-cons were…