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		<title>By: Small Government Blog &#187; Never Mind Impeachment</title>
		<link>http://antiwar.com/radio/2008/05/20/ray-mcgovern-7/comment-page-1/#comment-21877</link>
		<dc:creator>Small Government Blog &#187; Never Mind Impeachment</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 07:14:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] catharsis of seeing georgewbush in his final moments for what he really is; a little coward who, as Ray McGovern has pointed out, has never been held to [...]</description>
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		<title>By: epppie</title>
		<link>http://antiwar.com/radio/2008/05/20/ray-mcgovern-7/comment-page-1/#comment-1130</link>
		<dc:creator>epppie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2008 19:00:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding Fallon:  I believe he has said all he needs to say.  People need to stop misunderstanding his comment about the ants.  Our military is the supreme ant crusher the planet has ever seen.  But what the hell is that good for?   WHAT IS AN ANT CRUSHER GOOD FOR!!!!!!

Stop pestering Fallon, people, and look at what he said.  Think about it.


I agree with McGovern that we need some whistleblowers to come forward from this administration, but Fallon has said enough.  He has said it all.  We just aren&#039;t listening.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding Fallon:  I believe he has said all he needs to say.  People need to stop misunderstanding his comment about the ants.  Our military is the supreme ant crusher the planet has ever seen.  But what the hell is that good for?   WHAT IS AN ANT CRUSHER GOOD FOR!!!!!!</p>
<p>Stop pestering Fallon, people, and look at what he said.  Think about it.</p>
<p>I agree with McGovern that we need some whistleblowers to come forward from this administration, but Fallon has said enough.  He has said it all.  We just aren&#8217;t listening.</p>
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		<title>By: epppie</title>
		<link>http://antiwar.com/radio/2008/05/20/ray-mcgovern-7/comment-page-1/#comment-1129</link>
		<dc:creator>epppie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2008 18:44:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I disagree with Mcgovern on a couple of points.  First, if the US attacks camps or any facilities in Iran, I think Iran will immediately counterattack and will have to.  They will have no way of knowing how major an attack they are facing and, crucially, they cannot allow the US to destroy their weaponry before they have a chance to use it, as reputed US plans intend to do.

Thus I think they will not wait but will immediately go after the US Navy in the Gulf, with Sunfire(?) missles and with explosive laden speedboats and other non-conventional weapons.  I think they will wreak havoc on our Navy, which as Fallon surely knew, is precisely in the worst possible situation for it to deploy in in case of war against an enemy with serious antiship missles.

In other words, we can expect potentially massive casualties, it seems to me.  And remember, if our Navy in the Gulf is severely damaged, it will much easier for Iran to cut off our soldiers in Iraq.

Americans are not just being lied to about the supposed reasons for war with Iran.  They are also being lied to about the potential costs.  EVEN IN THE VERY FIRST DAY OF WAR WE COULD HAVE OUR WORST SINGLE DAY OF BATTLE SINCE PEARL HARBOR.


Supreme Commander Huber, amongst others, seem hellbent on pretending that Iran would be another cakewalk,or maybe just a little less of a cakewalk. I say BULLSHIT.  Iran is not Iraq.  Iran will be operating as a proxy for Russia and China, if we attack them.  They will have modern weapons, not the old crap Saddam had in the first Gulf War, or the nearly non-existent weaponry he had in the second.


I can&#039;t stress enough how important it is to let the American People know that if we attack Iran, we&#039;ll most likely take heavy casualties.  Imagine the shock and pain in America if just one Carrier goes down.  Huber doesn&#039;t think Iran can do that.  I say BULLSHIT.  They can do that and more.


People, ask yourselves how hard you would fight to defend America.  That&#039;s how hard the people of Iran would fight.  It&#039;s not like Iraq, where Saddam was hated by his people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I disagree with Mcgovern on a couple of points.  First, if the US attacks camps or any facilities in Iran, I think Iran will immediately counterattack and will have to.  They will have no way of knowing how major an attack they are facing and, crucially, they cannot allow the US to destroy their weaponry before they have a chance to use it, as reputed US plans intend to do.</p>
<p>Thus I think they will not wait but will immediately go after the US Navy in the Gulf, with Sunfire(?) missles and with explosive laden speedboats and other non-conventional weapons.  I think they will wreak havoc on our Navy, which as Fallon surely knew, is precisely in the worst possible situation for it to deploy in in case of war against an enemy with serious antiship missles.</p>
<p>In other words, we can expect potentially massive casualties, it seems to me.  And remember, if our Navy in the Gulf is severely damaged, it will much easier for Iran to cut off our soldiers in Iraq.</p>
<p>Americans are not just being lied to about the supposed reasons for war with Iran.  They are also being lied to about the potential costs.  EVEN IN THE VERY FIRST DAY OF WAR WE COULD HAVE OUR WORST SINGLE DAY OF BATTLE SINCE PEARL HARBOR.</p>
<p>Supreme Commander Huber, amongst others, seem hellbent on pretending that Iran would be another cakewalk,or maybe just a little less of a cakewalk. I say BULLSHIT.  Iran is not Iraq.  Iran will be operating as a proxy for Russia and China, if we attack them.  They will have modern weapons, not the old crap Saddam had in the first Gulf War, or the nearly non-existent weaponry he had in the second.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t stress enough how important it is to let the American People know that if we attack Iran, we&#8217;ll most likely take heavy casualties.  Imagine the shock and pain in America if just one Carrier goes down.  Huber doesn&#8217;t think Iran can do that.  I say BULLSHIT.  They can do that and more.</p>
<p>People, ask yourselves how hard you would fight to defend America.  That&#8217;s how hard the people of Iran would fight.  It&#8217;s not like Iraq, where Saddam was hated by his people.</p>
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		<title>By: epppie</title>
		<link>http://antiwar.com/radio/2008/05/20/ray-mcgovern-7/comment-page-1/#comment-1128</link>
		<dc:creator>epppie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2008 17:22:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, I&#039;d like to know why supposed progressives like Juan Cole, Tom Englehardy, Jim Lobe, Helen Cobban, etc. seem to be hellbent on downplaying the danger that the US is planning to attack Iran, along with supposed Dems like Evan Bayh and Baron Hill.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, I&#8217;d like to know why supposed progressives like Juan Cole, Tom Englehardy, Jim Lobe, Helen Cobban, etc. seem to be hellbent on downplaying the danger that the US is planning to attack Iran, along with supposed Dems like Evan Bayh and Baron Hill.</p>
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		<title>By: epppie</title>
		<link>http://antiwar.com/radio/2008/05/20/ray-mcgovern-7/comment-page-1/#comment-1127</link>
		<dc:creator>epppie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2008 16:19:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People need to think about Fallon&#039;s comment about the Iranians being ants, who can be crushed when the time comes.  When is it ever time to crush ants?  What does crushing ants ever accomplish?  What was he really saying?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People need to think about Fallon&#8217;s comment about the Iranians being ants, who can be crushed when the time comes.  When is it ever time to crush ants?  What does crushing ants ever accomplish?  What was he really saying?</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
		<link>http://antiwar.com/radio/2008/05/20/ray-mcgovern-7/comment-page-1/#comment-1064</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 01:52:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Answering Chris, May 21st, 2008 at 3:50 pm:

Yes Chris, but the Christian dispensationalists want it for Israel, so it still comes down to Israel and the &quot;supporters of Israel&quot;. They don&#039;t want this for oil, or for the military-industrial complex, or to please the Saudis, or to prevent oil from being traded in Euros, or any of the various reasons that Michael Moore popularized in his movie. 

All of the reasons for this are various shades of &quot;for Israel&quot;, period. And if Israel itself didn&#039;t want it, it could shut up these war cheerleaders overnight, because the warbots do not disobey the government of Israel when the government of Israel firmly opposes something.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Answering Chris, May 21st, 2008 at 3:50 pm:</p>
<p>Yes Chris, but the Christian dispensationalists want it for Israel, so it still comes down to Israel and the &#8220;supporters of Israel&#8221;. They don&#8217;t want this for oil, or for the military-industrial complex, or to please the Saudis, or to prevent oil from being traded in Euros, or any of the various reasons that Michael Moore popularized in his movie. </p>
<p>All of the reasons for this are various shades of &#8220;for Israel&#8221;, period. And if Israel itself didn&#8217;t want it, it could shut up these war cheerleaders overnight, because the warbots do not disobey the government of Israel when the government of Israel firmly opposes something.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://antiwar.com/radio/2008/05/20/ray-mcgovern-7/comment-page-1/#comment-1063</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 23:50:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;It really is Israel and ONLY Israel that wants this.&quot;

That&#039;s not entirely true.  I&#039;m sure John Hagee and friends wouldn&#039;t mind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It really is Israel and ONLY Israel that wants this.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s not entirely true.  I&#8217;m sure John Hagee and friends wouldn&#8217;t mind.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 21:52:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At one point, Scott asks (I&#039;m paraphrasing) &quot;Is there anyone but, say, the war plane manufacturers and Israel that wants us to bomb Iran? I mean, it seems like the oil companies don&#039;t want it, the Saudis don&#039;t want it, and neither does anybody else...&quot;

Come on. I suppose Scott threw in the war plane makers to be polite, so as not to leave Israel too rudely alone and naked as the sole suspect. But please. We all know that makers of fancy warplanes don&#039;t need a war — much less a war that is suicidal for the US economy — to get Congress to give money to the military to buy more fancy toys. Congress has a proven record of providing funds for these things, regardless of need. So don&#039;t blame Northrup Grummond et al. It really is Israel and ONLY Israel that wants this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At one point, Scott asks (I&#8217;m paraphrasing) &#8220;Is there anyone but, say, the war plane manufacturers and Israel that wants us to bomb Iran? I mean, it seems like the oil companies don&#8217;t want it, the Saudis don&#8217;t want it, and neither does anybody else&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Come on. I suppose Scott threw in the war plane makers to be polite, so as not to leave Israel too rudely alone and naked as the sole suspect. But please. We all know that makers of fancy warplanes don&#8217;t need a war — much less a war that is suicidal for the US economy — to get Congress to give money to the military to buy more fancy toys. Congress has a proven record of providing funds for these things, regardless of need. So don&#8217;t blame Northrup Grummond et al. It really is Israel and ONLY Israel that wants this.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Lester</title>
		<link>http://antiwar.com/radio/2008/05/20/ray-mcgovern-7/comment-page-1/#comment-1057</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Lester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 16:23:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PS - Israel did the USS Cole, John O&#039;Neill and 9/11 too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PS &#8211; Israel did the USS Cole, John O&#8217;Neill and 9/11 too.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Lester</title>
		<link>http://antiwar.com/radio/2008/05/20/ray-mcgovern-7/comment-page-1/#comment-1056</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Lester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 16:19:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The USS Liberty story seems to be breaking big now. I just posted a short video about it at http://911truth.blip.tv . The incident going viral could be enough to sink McCain&#039;s campaign.
     McGovern&#039;s take on Conyers made my day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The USS Liberty story seems to be breaking big now. I just posted a short video about it at <a href="http://911truth.blip.tv" rel="nofollow">http://911truth.blip.tv</a> . The incident going viral could be enough to sink McCain&#8217;s campaign.<br />
     McGovern&#8217;s take on Conyers made my day.</p>
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