Scott Horton Interviews Andy Worthington

Scott Horton, May 30, 2008

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Andy Worthington, author of The Guantanamo Files: The Stories of the 774 Detainees in America’s Illegal Prison, discusses his recent article on the trials of sixteen Guantanamo “detainees,” how Australian David Hicks is too traumatized to tell his story, Omar Khadr, the Canadian child soldier being held despite international law, how Salim Hamdan’s legal case caused the Supreme Court to rule the original incarnation of the military commissions illegal, Mohamed Jawad, another minor, charged with harmlessly throwing a grenade, there’s Ahmed al-Darbi who’s giving the commissions a hard time by refusing to play a part in his show trial, KSM, Ramzi bin al Shib, the reasons behind the dropping of the charges against al Qatani, the “requestioning” of the tortured in a ridiculous attempt to wipe the torture slate clean, how the whole military commission system resembles a patchwork of lies to excuse lies, the hundreds of years it has taken to develop Anglo-American traditions of law to protect liberty, the shame of its abandonment and necessity of its return, the results of the fake terror scares tortured out of the innocent, half-wit, crazy man, Abu Zabayduh, the superiority of the FBI’s good cop approach to interrogation, the DoJ IG report [.pdf] about the FBI’s “War Crimes” file on the Guantanamo and the sordid details of several of the other eleven trials now in process.

MP3 here. (48:10)

Andy Worthington is a historian based in London. He is the author of The Guantánamo Files, the first book to tell the stories of all the detainees in Guantanámo. He writes regularly on issues related to Guantánamo and the “War on Terror” on his Web site.

33 Responses to “Andy Worthington”

  1. The GWOT is a joke. 9-11 was totally an inside job..many of the alleged hijackers are still alive in their home countries…that’s one reason the passenger lists were never disclosed..cell phones didn’t work fm 30,000 ft in ’01…AA has confirmed that those planes didn’t have headrest phones..Have you heard the alleged calls. ” Hello Mother? This is Mark wiggins, I’m on a plane that’s just been hijacked….you believe me, don’t you Mom..” Muffled voice in English…” I have to go..” The rest are just as incredible…Flight 93 deboarded in Cleveland supposedly bc of a bomb scare, the people taken to a hangar…what was shot down in Pa. wasn’t flight 93, no bodies were found, just ask the coroner…The whole ” let’s roll” thing was made up….Voice duplication, Thermite charges at WTC,
    the ” smell of Cordite at the Pentagon”- no wreckage of an airliner found at the scene….Wow, this was some operation…They can always get away with the Big Lie..Until now?

  2. The GWOT is a joke.

    -Right.

    9-11 was totally an inside job..

    -Evidence?

    many of the alleged hijackers are still alive in their home countries…

    -according to initial reports within days of the attacks that have since been resolved.

    that’s one reason the passenger lists were never disclosed..

    -got google?

    cell phones didn’t work fm 30,000 ft in ‘01…

    -I wonder why they built phones into the backs of the seats to not work as I saw them myself and working one month after the attacks.

    AA has confirmed that those planes didn’t have headrest phones..

    -really, huh?

    Have you heard the alleged calls. ” Hello Mother? This is Mark wiggins, I’m on a plane that’s just been hijacked….you believe me, don’t you Mom..” Muffled voice in English…” I have to go..”

    -I’ve seen the dead man’s mother tell the story. he was a goofy guy, always talked like that she explained – part of his professional grown up manner or some such. but the CIA probably paid her to lie about the murder of her own son!! Right?

    The rest are just as incredible…Flight 93 deboarded in Cleveland supposedly bc of a bomb scare, the people taken to a hangar…what was shot down in Pa. wasn’t flight 93, no bodies were found, just ask the coroner…

    -Ha! Loose Change – which version? – is really the authoritative source in your life, huh? that’s hilarious. the coroner has all sorts of body parts and other evidence. just look it up.

    The whole ” let’s roll” thing was made up….Voice duplication,

    -says you.

    Thermite charges at WTC,

    -Right. And Jesus saved the Mayans.

    the ” smell of Cordite at the Pentagon”- no wreckage of an airliner found at the scene….

    -except for seats, luggage, landing gear, engine parts, shredded aluminum, steel, etc.

    Wow, this was some operation…They can always get away with the Big Lie..Until now?

    –How can someone trying so hard to debunk the big lie believe such inanities (and leave them like graffiti all over my awesome radio interview entries)?

  3. Traces of thermite were found in the apts across fm the WTC…No wreckage of a 757 were found at the Pentagon…Those are just facts…it’s easy to get carried away but you can’t de-bunk everything…The coroner on the scene in Pa. sd he was no longer acting as a coroner after 20 minutes because ” there were no bodies.” No, no one sd that that mother is lieing…it’s just not clear the place of his demise…Or the NORAD standown, the multiple wargames going on that day…the dancing Israeli, the selling short on UA and AA…The GWOT is a joke to make money, advance the cause of Israel and herd Americans into an even more regimented society..

  4. Traces of thermite were found in the apts across fm the WTC…

    -Some lady wiped dust from her windowsill from somewhere in NYC(?) and sent it to Steven “I proved that Jesus went to South America” Jones who claimed it had some sulfur in it and that you’d also have some sulfer – maybe on some anonymous lady’s windowsill somewhere in the city(?) – if someone had burned some thermite too. Wow. Pretty scientific.

    No wreckage of a 757 were found at the Pentagon…Those are just facts…

    -Google image search: pentagon wreckage http://tinyurl.com/5eb9m7 There are pieces of plane all over and inside, including landing gear and engines, not to mention all the light poles that were more than 100 feet apart that were knocked over by the planes wings, DNA evidence of the deceased or the 100+ witnesses who saw an airliner hit.

    it’s easy to get carried away but you can’t de-bunk everything…

    -Yes.

    The coroner on the scene in Pa. sd he was no longer acting as a coroner after 20 minutes because ” there were no bodies.”

    -With one entire minute of Googling, I found this:

    “The FBI has mandated DNA testing to confirm the identities of remains, a process just beginning that Miller said could take four to six months. But using mostly dental records, Miller and staff have identified remains of 12 passengers — a number that the coroner said might grow with last weekend’s recovery of additional remains.” from the local paper.

    No, no one sd that that mother is lieing…

    -Really? I thought you said it was an “alleged” call and then you quoted it at length as though to expose it’s silliness. Then you asserted that the planes phones didn’t work, that “The whole ‘let’s roll’ thing was made up….Voice duplication,” further claiming “bs” on the story of the hijacked passengers calling home etc., but now you concede that this guy did call his mom from the plane after all, since she told the whole story on national TV and everything – but only after I called you on it.

    it’s just not clear the place of his demise…

    -Yes it is perfectly clear. Aboard flt 93 which crashed in a field outside of Shanksville, PA.

    Or the NORAD standown,

    -What stand down? You are just making stuff up now. This is Antiwar.com, show me a link!

    the multiple wargames going on that day…

    -Impossible that the hijackers timed it that way themselves? Impossible that the military which is always training for something was doing just that when something else happened?

    the dancing Israeli,

    -Proves what?

    the selling short on UA and AA…

    -By who, who knew what?

    The GWOT is a joke to make money, advance the cause of Israel and herd Americans into an even more regimented society..

    -Right.

  5. Maybe he called, maybe he didn’t…The stewardess sounded strangely calm for a person in the midst of slashings also…You didn’t “call me” on anything-the important thing is to look at all of this in a critical way….The important things are: 1. We saw a bldg disintegrate, not collapse….WTC 7 was reported to have come down at 4:57 and it didn’t come down until 5:20…it was hit by no planes and came down in a controlled collapse all the same..2.No steel-framed bldg before or since 9-11 collapsed due to fire..2. No official agency ( FAA, FBI or the airlines ) has ever released a list of the 9/11 passengers. but within hrs released a list of the alleged hijackers..3. On 9/11 the FAA successfully grounded all aircraft-an unprecedented operation, yet couldn’t scramble any jet fighters that day-a normal procedure occurring 100 times a year..4. you can check the BBC reporting on Bldg 7..if you’re at all curious..5. There was no visible debris of a 757 where flt 93 supposedly crashed in Pa. -just a smoking hole in the ground-more like a bomb crater…6. Office fires burn at 600-800 df. Steel melts at 2750 df. Jet fuel is an ordinary hydrocarbon; it’s max burning temp is 1200 df in open air..Neither jet fuel nor the burning contents could have caused the Towers’ steel structure to buckle or fail..7. But getting back to the previous point: no you’re wrong-w/o a doubt..Tests have shown that cell phone calls cannot be made at altitudes over 4000-8000 ft as cell towers are located on the ground..Comm airliners fly at 30,000 ft and above..No passenger could have succesfully placed a call fm an airplane on 9/11 as reported..8. 9/11 was immediately declared ” an act of war ” by Bush..the rubble fm Ground Zero was immediately carted away and the steel sold off w/o examination..9. Federal law protects the identities of those who made enormous profits made by certain insiders-off of the plummeting stock of the two airlines involved on 9/11…10. Accepting victim’s comp barred 9/11 families fm further discovery through litigation-one of the few rights with bite we have left, maybe the only one..If none of this sounds fishy to you then you may as well admit that you’re an apologist for the operation against our Republic that transpired on 9/11-the beginning of the end game of the Illuminati..

  6. And if flt 93 was shot down in Pa. then consider this: the only plane that was shot down is the one where the passengers had a chance of re-taking control of the aircraft..Of course, let’s not forget: in May of ’01 the NORAD rules were changed and no longer could a regional Air Force General order a shootdown-it had to go all the way to the Sec of Def-Rumsfeld or the VP..Both people in line with the wishes of the PNAC who desired ” a new Pearl Harbor”.

  7. And just the day before 9/11 Mayor Brown of San Francisco was reportedly warned not to fly commercial-By Condoleeza Rice herself..

  8. Yup, 9-11: INSIDE JOB..Case closed.

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  10. No wreckage of a 757 at the Pentagon..Any 757 would have fallen out of the sky attempting that kind of sharp 333 degree banking move..
    http://www.pilotsfor911truth.org…..That‘s the truth…But naive school-boy patriots just can’t handle the truth..No, they sit and watch the O’Reilly Factor just glad that they and their hero have it all figured out: the bad people hate us because we’re free-and good-and good looking too..and they hate freedom…Oh, by the way, pilots have double-sided axes in the cockpits to break out if necessary…And the hijackers had box-cutters against these pilots w/military backgrounds……Hmmm…Some eyewitnesses have testified that it definitely was not a large passenger liner at the Pentagon…

  11. And military people on the scene sd that they smelled cordite..Sorry, you can go back to sleep now.

  12. I didn't call you a naive, school-boy patriot just that maybe you've been influenced by them. ..Perhaps not..But really, no one sd the mother was lieing..But with a few seconds of your voice on tape anyone can't duplicate your voice w/the existing technology…

    The pictures of the wreckage in Pa. looked nothing like a 757…The dancing Israelis, insider trading, Odigo employees getting a text msg 2 hrs before telling them not to be anywhere WTC, Zim Israel moving out just before..Many things show prior knowledge..

  13. Oh and the Bush Admin. didn’t want 9-11 investigated..Let’s see, you’re house is broken into and your family members murdered and you tell the investigators to…in effect…” go away “…Hmmmmm..

  14. Considering all of the above has got me reading Pastore’s Stranger Than Fiction, and interested in NYC being allowed to vote on an initiative setting up a new commission to investigate 9/11. Interested parties need to gather 25,000 signatures by the end of the month and you can find out how to get involved.

  15. Bill, You are wrong about everything. To wit:

    Maybe he called, maybe he didn’t…

    –His mom said he did and you’ve presented no credible reason to disbelieve her.

    The stewardess sounded strangely calm for a person in the midst of slashings

    -The slashings were over and she was being professional. What evidence do you have that casts any real doubt on the tapes of her call? None. What evidence do you have for a room full of actors or computers or whatever faking any of them? None.

    also…You didn’t “call me” on anything-

    -Yes, I did. You were claiming that airphones don’t work on airplanes and that the calls were faked. You singled out this one guys call for ridicule. Then I said his mom explained why he used his last name with her etc. to a nationwide teevee audience. And then you said, “well no one is saying she’s lying here..” in that wimpiest way of backing out of an argument. Which apparently you’ve now decided to stick with anyway.

    the important thing is to look at all of this in a critical way….

    -Ahem.

    The important things are: 1. We saw a bldg disintegrate, not collapse….

    -A million billion tons worth of concrete and steel smashing into each other beginning at approx 120 stories above the street should… what? Not be smashed into a million pieces? Ground zero was devoid of debris afterward as it had all been “disintegrated”? With what, a ray gun?

    WTC 7 was reported to have come down at 4:57 and it didn’t come down until 5:20…

    -Oh please. The state warned all the networks that they expected the building to fall. The BBC in London, told their girl in NY, who then repeated it wrong back to London in her report. Simple telephone game confusion. Nothing more at all. Ask G. Edward Griffin.

    it was hit by no planes and came down in a controlled collapse all the same..

    -It was hit by a falling skyscraper and burned all day long. Dozens of firemen told their debriefers that night and the next day that they knew it was going to fall – not because of bombs which 7 1/2 years later you still have no evidence of whatsoever – but because the building was damaged and burning. Here’s just one of dozens of relevant firefighter stories:

    “By now, this is going on into the afternoon, and we were concerned about additional collapse, not only of the Marriott, because there was a good portion of the Marriott still standing, but also we were pretty sure that 7 World Trade Center would collapse. Early on, we saw a bulge in the southwest corner between floors 10 and 13, and we had put a transit on that and we were pretty sure she was going to collapse. You actually could see there was a visible bulge, it ran up about three floors. It came down about 5 o’clock in the afternoon, but by about 2 o’clock in the afternoon we realized this thing was going to collapse.”

    -He must be in on it too!! < -sarcasm.

    2.No steel-framed bldg before or since 9-11 collapsed due to fire..

    -Really, huh?

    2. No official agency ( FAA, FBI or the airlines ) has ever released a list of the 9/11 passengers. but within hrs released a list of the alleged hijackers..

    -Wrong. Here they are right here with a simple google search: http://www.september11victims.com/september11victims/victims_list.htm

    3. On 9/11 the FAA successfully grounded all aircraft-an unprecedented operation, yet couldn’t scramble any jet fighters that day-a normal procedure occurring 100 times a year..

    -They did scramble jets – too late and in the wrong directions, perhaps, but they did launch them. You say their failure can only be deliberate and yet reveal with your claims that you don’t know the first thing about it.

    4. you can check the BBC reporting on Bldg 7..if you’re at all curious..

    -Yeah, I already debunked that above.

    5. There was no visible debris of a 757 where flt 93 supposedly crashed in Pa. -just a smoking hole in the ground-more like a bomb crater…6.

    -Wrong again. I’m getting really tired of having to do all your googling Bill.
    http://www.debunk911myths.org/topics/United_Airlines_Flight_93_debris

    Office fires burn at 600-800 df. Steel melts at 2750 df. Jet fuel is an ordinary hydrocarbon; it’s max burning temp is 1200 df in open air..Neither jet fuel nor the burning contents could have caused the Towers’ steel structure to buckle or fail..

    -Claims you and Steven “I proved that Jesus went to South America” Jones. What’s your PhD in? Only a fool would assert that steel has to “melt” to weaken and fail. Give me a break. There are a million engineers and physicists in this country who aren’t suspicious at all and a few kooks like Steven Jones who claim it must have been bombs. Well Bill, Steven Jones is an idiot. His “proof” is windowsill scrapings. Why would a legend like yourself carry water for such a clown?

    7. But getting back to the previous point: no you’re wrong-w/o a doubt..Tests have shown that cell phone calls cannot be made at altitudes over 4000-8000 ft as cell towers are located on the ground..Comm airliners fly at 30,000 ft and above..No passenger could have succesfully placed a call fm an airplane on 9/11 as reported..

    -Of all the ridiculous crap floating around about 9/11, the “phone calls from the planes were all faked” has got to be the lamest of all. “Tests have shown.” Tests by kooks in a Cesna over Ottowa. THEY HAVE PHONES BUILT INTO THE BACKS OF THE SEATS FOR A REASON. The dozen or so people who received them have no reason to lie and you have no evidence that they have lied or are lying at all.

    8. 9/11 was immediately declared ” an act of war ” by Bush..

    -Well, that settles it. A massive attack on the US, including the Pentagon, with possible casualties being reported in the low tens of thousands, interpreted as an act of war, huh?

    the rubble fm Ground Zero was immediately carted away and the steel sold off w/o examination..

    -Yeah. They hired people to clean it up alright. And then they took it to that island in Jersey, examined it, and then sold it. So what? They should have invited Steven Jones out to inspect it? Maybe he could have brought the lady with the cloth and the windowsill and they could have done some experiments!

    9. Federal law protects the identities of those who made enormous profits made by certain insiders-off of the plummeting stock of the two airlines involved on 9/11…

    -Well they weren’t being accused of anything. The cops should have smeared them in public anyway? The “official” story is that there was an investment newsletter that had come out a few days before advising just such options. Do you have any evidence to the contrary? No, of course you have nothing but, “This happened, this happened and this happened so therefore it’s an inside job!” When, in fact, you’re “this happened!”s did not happen or not in the ways that you claim. Yours is a religion tissue-paper thin, like the Heavens Gate Cult.

    10. Accepting victim’s comp barred 9/11 families fm further discovery through litigation-one of the few rights with bite we have left, maybe the only one..

    -Imagine! Negligent government employees and airline executives trying to cover their asses! Obviously Osama works for the Mossad!!!

    If none of this sounds fishy to you then you may as well admit that you’re an apologist for the operation against our Republic that transpired on 9/11-the beginning of the end game of the Illuminati..

    -Or, I can simply remain me and continue to ridicule you as a Loose Change paraphrasing, 6th grade level intellect, who’s fallen for the latest fashion like American Idol or the Cabala and failed to get anything right except for things which do nothing at all to bolster your case, such as the Republicans exploited the event.

    And if flt 93 was shot down in Pa. then consider this: the only plane that was shot down is the one where the passengers had a chance of re-taking control of the aircraft..

    -Yes, consider it. I just did… Thanks. But what indication do you have that it was shot down? I thought you just said there was no debris anywhere around? Wouldn’t it be everywhere? And why would the 9/11 plotters in control of all these events shoot down one of their own planes – and then not even take credit for it? (Due to at least some reports – been a while since I read up on flt 93 – there was debris spread as though bombs had gone off on board or it had been hit by a missile, and it would make sense that they would cover up a missile hit if the story of the heroic attempt to take back the plane had already gotten out.) But NONE of this is consistent with your “there’s no debris” and “inside job” story. So which is it? All and none, I’d guess.

    Of course, let’s not forget: in May of ‘01 the NORAD rules were changed and no longer could a regional Air Force General order a shootdown-it had to go all the way to the Sec of Def-Rumsfeld or the VP..Both people in line with the wishes of the PNAC who desired ” a new Pearl Harbor”.

    -Yeah, that would really be incriminating… Except for the fact that it had been like that since 1997. You are wrong again, Bill. You need to google things before you assert them, so you can at least attempt to provide some evidence, otherwise you’ll get a D on your paper. http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/context.jsp?item=a060101newpolicy#a060101newpolicy

    And just the day before 9/11 Mayor Brown of San Francisco was reportedly warned not to fly commercial-By Condoleeza Rice herself..

    -”Reportedly,” huh? Ha, ha, ha. The source for that is David Irving the holocaust denier says he heard it on Pacifica. http://www.fpp.co.uk/online/02/05/Bush_knew2.html
    They certainly don’t confirm it. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rlz=1B3GGGL_enUS176US231&q=willie+brown+condoleeza+rice+site%3Awww.pacifica.org&btnG=Search Again you got nothing.

    Yup, 9-11: INSIDE JOB..Case closed.

    -That’s a real nice bogus religion you got there. With David Irving as your Christ. What’s your reward in heaven for believing this crap? ALL CAPS. “Case Closed.” So clear. So definitive. It’s almost like you’re right, only not at all.

    No wreckage of a 757 at the Pentagon..

    -I already gave you a link to google image results to dozens of pictures of wreckage. What, you’re just going to pretend I didn’t already prove you completely wrong on this point too?

    Any 757 would have fallen out of the sky attempting that kind of sharp 333 degree banking move..
    http://www.pilotsfor911truth.org…..That’s the truth…

    -Whatever. I’ve talked to major airline pilots who aren’t suspicious at all. “You could do it.” They said.

    But naive school-boy patriots just can’t handle the truth..

    -You can insult me if you want, but since you have done nothing but make a fool of yourself this whole time, with bogus claim following bogus claim it’s pretty clear who’s full of shit in this argument. And as far as “handling the truth,” you might take some time from memorizing and regurgitating slogans from GCN and do a little reading. I’ll let my listeners and readers decide if I’m a naive school-boy.

    No, they sit and watch the O’Reilly Factor just glad that they and their hero have it all figured out:

    -Wait, now I’m Fox News boy? Or, now you weren’t talking about me after all?

    the bad people hate us because we’re free-and good-and good looking too..and they hate freedom…

    -What happened to they hate us because Dick Cheney pays them to pretend they do?

    Oh, by the way, pilots have double-sided axes in the cockpits to break out if necessary…And the hijackers had box-cutters against these pilots w/military backgrounds……Hmmm…

    -”Hmmm.” Wow. That’s very thought provoking. Perhaps they were taken by surprise and didn’t have a chance to grab the axes you say they all have. Or, better, This casts major doubt on the story that there were pilots at all!!!

    Some eyewitnesses have testified that it definitely was not a large passenger liner at the Pentagon…

    -One guy said a small plane – he was miles away. Another said they saw a helicopter, but not that they saw it shoot or crash into anything. Meanwhile 100+ saw a giant silver airliner.

    And military people on the scene sd that they smelled cordite..Sorry, you can go back to sleep now.

    -Oh, you got me! Explosives at the Pentagon?! That smell could have only come from one place! A missile from the sky! Idiot.

    Oh and the Bush Admin. didn’t want 9-11 investigated..Let’s see, you’re house is broken into and your family members murdered and you tell the investigators to…in effect…” go away “…Hmmmmm..

    -Bad analogy. More like your security company failed completely to protect you and is trying to lesson the stain of their criminal negligence. I would say show me the evidence, but then you’ll just come back with more of your stupid Loose Change (how many versions now?) bullshit.

    -Bill, you have failed completely. You didn’t succeed in ‘gotcha’ing me a single time, out of all that crap…

    -Maybe you should go get your own blog instead of coat-tailing mine.

    -Scott Horton, Admitted Illuminati Apologist

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  17. But you’re alright Horton, at least you have a sense of humor.

  18. The big picture: The true rulers select (yes,select as opposed to elect) the most incompetent guy they can imagine,propably with a LOT of skeletons in his closet.
    That way they can control him
    Now they can attac their own country,blame it on the arabs,take over some oil fields
    to control the flow of that precious substance;we in the west do not really want the Chinese to prosper, if they do,oil and everything else will be so much more expensive to us! And there is also the danger of those aggresive Chinamen starting wars left and right,as they always do,right? The same with the Iranians,they too always are aggressive and start wars, that is why why the US wants to bomb those bastards,right?

  19. Bill… Give it up, really. Scott’s taking you way more seriously than you or your other cult friends deserve.

    You lose. Accept that.

  20. Boy this is sad. Scott, you’re much more talented than what you’re displaying here.

    This could have been an opportunity to cull the good from the bad, an opportunity to frame the debate towards more fruitful things or insert your own evidence. Instead it’s just another 9-11 flame fest.

    You know, of course, the Reichstag Fire is still, still, unproven to have been caused by Hitler? This strikes me as odd because it is always used as a parallel. It is of course, just not like one would expect.

  21. I accept that the guy with no physical ” proof ” will always lose in court..
    And that’s pretty much what Scott ” I must sound acceptable to polite opinion ” Horton sounded like: Bush’s lawyer…The prosecution in the OJ case perhaps didn’t have enough physical evidence but we still know he did it…And we still know that 9-11 was anticipated..AT LEAST allowed to happen and we know that the happiest people on 9-11 were Bush and the neo-cons…

  22. And that’s enough for me to question EVERYTHING else!

  23. So you concede that not a single fact you claimed above is legit?

    Does that mean you’ll quit spamming my radio entries with your silly crap?

    (Comments actually pertaining to the subject matter are still welcome, of course.)

    PS: Thanks for the laughs.

  24. All the interviews with Scheuer and none with his successor (Rich B.) who was chief of Alec Station from mid-99 until (likely) December ’01?

    That sure would be an interesting interview. To date (AFAIK) the man who ran Alec Station in the lead up to 9/11, the man who attended the 7/10/01 briefing with Rice and one of the officials referred to in IG Helgerson’s internal review (still classified except for the executive summary) has never been interviewed by anyone in the US media. Admittedly this could be because he still retains covert status with the CIA. One wonders how this is possible considering the key role the Chief of Alec Station would have played in the failure to prevent 9/11. I’m pretty sure Rich B. could shed some light on the repeated failures to watchlist al-Hazmi and al-Midhar.

  25. Omar Khadr was fighting (Canadian citizen) in a country not his own – there might not be much precedent for this kind of thing but I find it hard to defend this as “just what happens in war”(Canada as far as I know is not in a war with America). You know he was just over there on his summer break defending Afghanistan from an invasion, as so many kids do. It’s easy to see why they wanted to “question” him. I am obviously not defending that though.

  26. Still not convinced those fires ( the jet fuel burned off quickly enough leaving office furn, carpeting, sheetrock perhaps, paper-none of which burn hot enough to compromise steel significantly ) brought those bldgs down alone…other skyscrapers burned for 18 hrs or more and never came down..And then also I’ve seen pictures of those heavy steel beams cut on a 45 degree angle w/molten metal dripping down the side-just as if C-4 or Thermite had been wrapped on the column…What did that?
    Super. William Rodriguez says he felt a large explosion in the basement before the impact to the upper floors and decribes his friend coming up fm a lower level w/his skin hanging off…What of the pools of molten metal in the basement still hot a week later?

  27. But you presented a good argument..Except there’s more to the insider short selling than you made it sound..A high % of this activity came fm one investment firm, Deutsche Bank/AB Brown..The principal mgr of this firm until ’98 was the Dir. of the CIA in ’01..

  28. Bill,

    “I’ve seen pictures of those heavy steel beams cut on a 45 degree angle w/molten metal dripping down the side-just as if C-4 or Thermite had been wrapped on the column…What did that?”

    -What makes you think those pics aren’t from after the salvage crews got at them with torches and such?

    -Re: Rodriguez, I’ve heard that guy make a lot of contradictory claims, getting caught up in his story to where the timing of which bang he heard when was questionable to put it nicely.

    -George Tenet was the Director of Central Intelligence in 2001.

  29. Scott H, while Truthers can be kooks, a lot of your position falls into the familiar trap of non-experts trying to explain 9/11 as per the official story, by simply Googling someone else’s arguments.

    Or by engaging obvious non-expert Truthers.

    IIRC, a recent poll said 36% of Americans didn’t trust the 9/11 Commission Report, and the truth movement is about exposing coverups, and should not be promoting specific agendas or outcomes until an independent investigation is complete.

    It’s sad to see you treat the topic in a mocking or non-serious manner. A government that lies to it’s people to send thousands to death in multiple wars, and has planned domestic mock terrorist attacks in the past, is susceptible to inquiry and skepticism now.

    I got linked here from HNN, or I wouldn’t sully your blog a few days after the smoke has cleared. That said, you just lost a “sometime” listener. Why would I listen to someone less intellectually curious than I am?

  30. [...] off this imagined vast conspiracy. Few are better at refuting Truther hogwash than Scott Horton. Here, he systematically demolishes their [...]

  31. liberty student,

    Right. I was able to debunk a million bullshit 9/11 assertions in a row above, because I simply never was interested enough to look into it.

    Go listen to GCN.

  32. hey scott go back to bed, you sound sleepy, like the rest of your dumb ass American neocons

  33. THERMITE DOES NOT EXPLODE!!!

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