Scott Horton Interviews Karen Kwiatkowski

Scott Horton, June 12, 2008

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Pentagon whistleblower and libertarian writer Karen Kwiatkowski discusses the importance of radicalism and principle in American life as the empire collapses, the modern American secession movements in the Lakota Nation, Hawaii and Vermont, the costs of empire, the growing police state, how the neoconservative cabal in the Pentagon lied this country into war in 2002 and 2003 and the sickness of Dick Cheney.

Her best articles on the OSP are here, here, here, here, and here. See also this, this, this and this.

MP3 here. (40:37)

LRC columnist Karen Kwiatkowski, Ph.D., a retired USAF lieutenant colonel, has written on defense issues with a libertarian perspective for MilitaryWeek.com, hosted the call-in radio show American Forum, and blogs occasionally for Huffingtonpost.com and Liberty and Power. To receive automatic announcements of new articles, click here.

20 Responses to “Karen Kwiatkowski”

  1. We had a Secession movement down here mostly because of trade policy-( we had a raw materials based economy and felt like we were being screwed by high import tariffs…Wow, imagine that..) Of course it was portrayed differently ( all about slavery though most of, such as Lee and Jackson, wanted it abolished..And by the end of the war we were abolishing it in return for military service-proving that Independence was paramount…the point? Well, for all you hypocrites out there, we were treated worse than the secessionist ( and treasonous given their relationship with the Israelis ) Kurds..

  2. On topic: I support all the modern secessionist movements.The Hawaiians ( sic? ) loved their Queen and we had no right to depose her.
    I wish AWC would offer The Real Lincoln by Professor Thomas DeLorenzo, it’s a good book and the so-called Conservative Book Club stopped offering it when the brainiacs over there realized it’s implications: a federal system made-up of free and equal states is a farce when certain states are forced to remain against their will…In the case of the Soviets we called them captive states..the only difference is we had the means to fight for our independence and an elite that saw the value in it…( The Soviets were good at liquidating the leadership classes )

  3. Mr. Horton, I enjoyed your interview with Lieutenant Colonel Karen Kwiatkowski, USAF (Ret.). The Colonel’s an honorable officer. She saw the warmongering machinations of the neocon,
    everything-for-Israel scum during her tour of duty in the Pentagon. She’s publicized it ever since.

    The Legendary Bill, you’re right about “The Real Lincoln” by Thomas DiLorenzo. That myth-shattering book has the Lincoln cultists, the Lincoln court historians up in arms–and deservedly so.

  4. Also, Emancipating Slaves, Enslaving Free Men by Jeffery R. Hummel and When in the Course of Human Events: Arguing the Case for Southern Secession by Charles Adams.

  5. Lt Col Karen Kwiatowski. Thank you for your incredible service to this country and your continued service. After reading the “New Pentagon Papers” I have followed everything you have written and every interview I have been able to find. Thank you Thank you

  6. Thank you for talking about the Lakota!

    Im part of that movement myself with Russle Means.

  7. Scott read John Perkins Economic Hitman is one of the first books I loan out to people. Move the book to the top of your pile.

    Is Cheney being blackmailed. His name popped up on the Palfery list. (then she was “suicided”) And suddenly he became a Zionist and surrounded himself by dual citizen Israelis from PNAC. So you know who would be blackmailing him. The Mossad.

    Cheney from 1994 is very different from Darth Cheney of now. His phone number was on a prostitution ring run by the Mossad so maybe they have dirt on him. He certainly does everything for Israel so if he is not religious why is he part of the Jewish Institute with Perle and the rest of the snakes and why was his right arm Libby and his Left Abrams? Why does he do everytihng for Israle even things we all know he knew were stupid even 14 years ago.

    Is he being blackmailed or did he find religion.

  8. Cheney is a Holy roller. People close to Cheney say he is a Holy roller. He Won’t even come to terms with his lesbian daughter. The man does believe in greater Israel not just for profit but from religion.

    A lot of people didn’t know Tim Russert was such a religious goof until after he died. SOme people just keep that stuff to themselves.

  9. Scott read John Perkins Economic Hitman is one of the first books I loan out to people. Move the book to the top of your pile.

    Is Cheney being blackmailed. His name popped up on the Palfery list. (then she was “suicided”) And suddenly he became a Zionist and surrounded himself by dual citizen Israelis from PNAC. So you know who would be blackmailing him. The Mossad.

    Cheney from 1994 is very different from Darth Cheney of now. His phone number was on a prostitution ring run by the Mossad so maybe they have dirt on him. He certainly does everything for Israel so if he is not religious why is he part of the Jewish Institute with Perle and the rest of the snakes and why was his right arm Libby and his Left Abrams? Why does he do everytihng for Israle even things we all know he knew were stupid even 14 years ago.

    Is he being blackmailed or did he find religion. I never really saw Cheney as religious but people I have talked to in gov who know him says he is very much so. But if so then when did the change come about. I sorta of side more with him being blackmailed by Israle or just being a shameless profiteer.

    The idea you guys pitched starting with assuming he is a human being was just too much of a stretch.

  10. Bill, ryan dawson, Kathleen, Scott Horton, Orville,

    All of this is irrelevant. This constant banter back and forth concerning rightwing fascist neo-cons, libertarian wannabes who are neo-cons in disguise, liberals who have lost their minds, etc. etc., is much ado about nothing. Why? Because the American people themselves are a bunch of neo-cons fools. How can ANYONE who claims to believe in freedom and claims to be against the empire nominate two men who are totally AGAINST FREEDOM AND FOR THE EMPIRE in the name of George W McCain and Barack Clinton Obama. Neither man will end the Iraq War, liquidate the empire, or allow freedom for the American people.

    For all you suckers out there. Make no mistake, Obama and McCain will continue the destructive trajectory that Carter, Reagan, Bush I, Clinton, and now Bush II, have set America upon.

  11. All,

    SCOTT HORTON:

    YOU SHOULD APOLOGIZE TO YOUR FAITHFUL FOLLOWING FOR INSULTING OUR INTELLIGENCE BY PARADING AROUND THIS LOONEY KOOK OF AN OFFICER:

    UNTIL THIS WOMAN ISSUES A PUBLIC APOLOGY, SHE SHOULD SHUT HER MOUTH AND GO BACK TO DOING WHAT SHE DOES BEST, COLLECTING MONEY OFF OF THE BLOOD OF OTHERS BASED ON LIES:

    On topic, Karen Kwiatkowski, is no heroine. Rather than resign when it would have mattered and perhaps may have made a difference, she sat around, collected her gov’t WELFARE check, waited for retirement and now wants to claim that she was “AGAINST THE NEO-CONS” ALL ALONG. She is full of B.S. just like Colin Powell, Lawrence Wilkerson, and all the other rats who have jumped ship leaving their neo-con collaborators holding the bag. Douglas Feith, Rumsfeld, and Wolfowitz are right about one thing, if these people were so against their rightwing neo-con fantasies they should have spoken up BEFORE THE CARNAGE IN IRAQ AND ELSEWHERE BEGUN AND BEFORE THOUSANDS OF HUMAN CASUALTIES. No, these people were GUTLESS cowards then, and they are GUTLESS cowards now for waiting until the experiment went bad before speaking up. I can promise you this, if this experiment had been the grand success that the rightwing lunatics thought it would be, Karen K, Powell, Wilkerson, and all the other neo-con lunatics would not be speaking out now………………They would still be sitting around, collecting more money on the blood and bodies of those who have made the ultimate sacrifice……………………

  12. Actually, Kwiatkowski was writing essays for Col. David Hackworth’s site Soldiers for the Truth while still at the Pentagon, risking time in prison for simply writing.

    And she started working on getting out of there so she could go full-public asap, not “after the experiment went bad.”

    The idea that Karen Kwiatkowski belongs in the same category with the former Secretary of State in terms of complicity in the war is just beyond silly. Give me a break.

  13. Scott Horton,

    CUT THE CLUELESS KNIGHT IN DULL ARMOUR ROUTINE. LET KAREN SPEAK FOR HERSELF.

    Is there any real difference between you, liberals who have lost their minds, or their neo-con lunatic friends? Stop making excuses trying to cover up for this gutless coward. The Invasion of Afghanistan begain 7 October 2001 and the invasion of Iraq begain 19 March 2003. Where was Karen Kwiatkowski then? Did she have the courage to resign and come out full score against these war crimes? “Working on getting out of there” may mollify you and a few others, but it does not fool me at all. She, ALONG WITH Colin Powell could have stood side by side in front of a microphone and a camera prior to Bush giving the go-ahead and declaring the wrongheadedness of these imperial ventures and I myself would support and back them all the way. But none of them did it, they would not sacrifice of themselves and now this is what America has to show for it. What is worse than bad men and women who do evil is when good men and women do nothing to stop them.

    Nice try Scott, but no cigar. Try again…………………..

  14. Scott Horton:

    From the below statement in your response, then by your own admission you do freely admit that Karen Kwiatkowski is complicit in Bush’s war crimes and does bear some (if not major) responsibility for the Iraq War. I accept your admission of guilt on behalf of her.

    This is why I say that she owes the entire nation a public apology.

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    From Scott Horton:

    The idea that Karen Kwiatkowski belongs in the same category with the former Secretary of State in terms of complicity in the war is just beyond silly. Give me a break.

  15. “I accept your admission of guilt on behalf of her.”

    Well, if that’s your standard, then I accept my accusation that you are a stupid asshole on your behalf.

  16. Scotty,

    NOW THAT AINT NICE:

    BUT I SUPPOSE BEING A STUPID ASSHOLE IS BETTER THAN BEING P_WHIPPED:

    And a stupid asshole I don’t mind being. Someone has to keep you gatekeepers for the status quo in line, honest, and accountable for what you say, what you do, and who you parade around as “so-called” heroes. But your post simply proves my point. Having lost the high ground and proven to be wrong, you simply do what the other rightwing lunatics do, you don’t address the issue in any shape, form, or fashion.

    Why be so angry anyway? Those were your words, not mine. If Karen Kwiatkowski believes that I am wrong on the merits, she should so state with a straight face. Even though you are a rightwing jerk of sorts, I do listen to your radio program and Charles Goyette’s program because you do have on good guests who give out good information that the public at large could definitely use.

    Scotty, don’t be a sellout for a pretty face the way Justin Raimondo sold out in foolishly thinking that Barack Obama would do what every other Democrat on earth has failed to do, and that is liquidating the empire and allowing freedom to ring. If you guys are libertarians who want and believe in freedom then you have to be for freedom and liquidation of the empire all the way. And you can’t do that by supporting rotten apples and rats like Karen Kwiatkowski simply because people like her now want to pretend that “Well I was never for the NEO-CON PROGRAM to begin with, even though I did everything in my power to make it happen.” Don’t be a sucker, Scotty, you are smarter than that, at least I would like to think you are………………………

  17. I’ve been proven wrong on what? Had I failed to admit that she worked at the Pentagon? I thought that was the whole point.

    If your point is that everyone who works for the government is as guilty as the worst of their bosses then that’s just a matter of opinion. The facts are that she wrote about it while still there, got out as fast as she could and has written a million pro-liberty articles since then.

    Doesn’t that make her better than millions of government employees who never do any such thing?

    What about Ray McGovern? Do you hate him too?

    I’m rightwing?

  18. Ry wrote:

    “Cheney is being blackmailed. His name popped up on the Palfery list.”

    Yeah? Where I can I read about that? When I googled it all could find was crap.

  19. Scott,

    I disagree totally. She simply sat around long enough so she could collect her welfare retirement, all the while helping the machinery grind away, manipulate the Public, and cause the unnecessary deaths of untold thousands of people. She may have you fooled but not I. Ray McGovern, on the other hand, needs no introduction and he does not have to prove his bonafides. He did not work in the Office of Special Plans with Feith, etc. That is the key difference. So trying to lump Ray McGovern with Karen Kwaitkowski is simply foolishness and complete nonsense.

  20. Karen Kwiatkowski knows her stuff and is a true American hero and real Patriot!!!!!

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