I disagree totally. She simply sat around long enough so she could collect her welfare retirement, all the while helping the machinery grind away, manipulate the Public, and cause the unnecessary deaths of untold thousands of people. She may have you fooled but not I. Ray McGovern, on the other hand, needs no introduction and he does not have to prove his bonafides. He did not work in the Office of Special Plans with Feith, etc. That is the key difference. So trying to lump Ray McGovern with Karen Kwaitkowski is simply foolishness and complete nonsense.

“Cheney is being blackmailed. His name popped up on the Palfery list.”

Yeah? Where I can I read about that? When I googled it all could find was crap.

If your point is that everyone who works for the government is as guilty as the worst of their bosses then that’s just a matter of opinion. The facts are that she wrote about it while still there, got out as fast as she could and has written a million pro-liberty articles since then.

Doesn’t that make her better than millions of government employees who never do any such thing?

What about Ray McGovern? Do you hate him too?

I’m rightwing?

NOW THAT AINT NICE:

BUT I SUPPOSE BEING A STUPID ASSHOLE IS BETTER THAN BEING P_WHIPPED:

And a stupid asshole I don’t mind being. Someone has to keep you gatekeepers for the status quo in line, honest, and accountable for what you say, what you do, and who you parade around as “so-called” heroes. But your post simply proves my point. Having lost the high ground and proven to be wrong, you simply do what the other rightwing lunatics do, you don’t address the issue in any shape, form, or fashion.

Why be so angry anyway? Those were your words, not mine. If Karen Kwiatkowski believes that I am wrong on the merits, she should so state with a straight face. Even though you are a rightwing jerk of sorts, I do listen to your radio program and Charles Goyette’s program because you do have on good guests who give out good information that the public at large could definitely use.

Scotty, don’t be a sellout for a pretty face the way Justin Raimondo sold out in foolishly thinking that Barack Obama would do what every other Democrat on earth has failed to do, and that is liquidating the empire and allowing freedom to ring. If you guys are libertarians who want and believe in freedom then you have to be for freedom and liquidation of the empire all the way. And you can’t do that by supporting rotten apples and rats like Karen Kwiatkowski simply because people like her now want to pretend that “Well I was never for the NEO-CON PROGRAM to begin with, even though I did everything in my power to make it happen.” Don’t be a sucker, Scotty, you are smarter than that, at least I would like to think you are………………………

Well, if that’s your standard, then I accept my accusation that you are a stupid asshole on your behalf.

From the below statement in your response, then by your own admission you do freely admit that Karen Kwiatkowski is complicit in Bush’s war crimes and does bear some (if not major) responsibility for the Iraq War. I accept your admission of guilt on behalf of her.

This is why I say that she owes the entire nation a public apology.

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From Scott Horton:

The idea that Karen Kwiatkowski belongs in the same category with the former Secretary of State in terms of complicity in the war is just beyond silly. Give me a break.

CUT THE CLUELESS KNIGHT IN DULL ARMOUR ROUTINE. LET KAREN SPEAK FOR HERSELF.

Is there any real difference between you, liberals who have lost their minds, or their neo-con lunatic friends? Stop making excuses trying to cover up for this gutless coward. The Invasion of Afghanistan begain 7 October 2001 and the invasion of Iraq begain 19 March 2003. Where was Karen Kwiatkowski then? Did she have the courage to resign and come out full score against these war crimes? “Working on getting out of there” may mollify you and a few others, but it does not fool me at all. She, ALONG WITH Colin Powell could have stood side by side in front of a microphone and a camera prior to Bush giving the go-ahead and declaring the wrongheadedness of these imperial ventures and I myself would support and back them all the way. But none of them did it, they would not sacrifice of themselves and now this is what America has to show for it. What is worse than bad men and women who do evil is when good men and women do nothing to stop them.

Nice try Scott, but no cigar. Try again…………………..

And she started working on getting out of there so she could go full-public asap, not “after the experiment went bad.”

The idea that Karen Kwiatkowski belongs in the same category with the former Secretary of State in terms of complicity in the war is just beyond silly. Give me a break.

SCOTT HORTON:

YOU SHOULD APOLOGIZE TO YOUR FAITHFUL FOLLOWING FOR INSULTING OUR INTELLIGENCE BY PARADING AROUND THIS LOONEY KOOK OF AN OFFICER:

UNTIL THIS WOMAN ISSUES A PUBLIC APOLOGY, SHE SHOULD SHUT HER MOUTH AND GO BACK TO DOING WHAT SHE DOES BEST, COLLECTING MONEY OFF OF THE BLOOD OF OTHERS BASED ON LIES:

On topic, Karen Kwiatkowski, is no heroine. Rather than resign when it would have mattered and perhaps may have made a difference, she sat around, collected her gov’t WELFARE check, waited for retirement and now wants to claim that she was “AGAINST THE NEO-CONS” ALL ALONG. She is full of B.S. just like Colin Powell, Lawrence Wilkerson, and all the other rats who have jumped ship leaving their neo-con collaborators holding the bag. Douglas Feith, Rumsfeld, and Wolfowitz are right about one thing, if these people were so against their rightwing neo-con fantasies they should have spoken up BEFORE THE CARNAGE IN IRAQ AND ELSEWHERE BEGUN AND BEFORE THOUSANDS OF HUMAN CASUALTIES. No, these people were GUTLESS cowards then, and they are GUTLESS cowards now for waiting until the experiment went bad before speaking up. I can promise you this, if this experiment had been the grand success that the rightwing lunatics thought it would be, Karen K, Powell, Wilkerson, and all the other neo-con lunatics would not be speaking out now………………They would still be sitting around, collecting more money on the blood and bodies of those who have made the ultimate sacrifice……………………