Dahr Jamail

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Dahr Jamail, reporter for IPS News, discusses the Winter Soldier testimonies, the critical dehumanization process in waging war, the intentional tactics the military uses to foment these views, the complete black-out of the Winter Soldier testimonies by the U.S. corporate media, “drop-weapons” used by soldiers to frame dead civilians as enemies in Iraq, lies told by recruiters to brainwash young soldiers, the lie of the success of the “surge” in a much more fragmented political situation in Iraq and the horrific situations soldiers deal with everyday in Iraq.

Warning: Adult language and situations.

MP3 here. (42:13)

In late 2003, Weary of the overall failure of the US media to accurately report on the realities of the war in Iraq for the Iraqi people and US soldiers, Dahr Jamail went to Iraq to report on the war himself.

His dispatches were quickly recognized as an important media resource. He is now writing for the Inter Press Service, The Asia Times and many other outlets. His reports have also been published with The Nation, The Sunday Herald, Islam Online, the Guardian, Foreign Policy in Focus, and the Independent to name just a few. Dahr’s dispatches and hard news stories have been translated into French, Polish, German, Dutch, Spanish, Japanese, Portuguese, Chinese, Arabic and Turkish. On radio as well as television, Dahr reports for Democracy Now!, the BBC, and numerous other stations around the globe. Dahr is also special correspondent for Flashpoints.

Dahr has spent a total of 8 months in occupied Iraq as one of only a few independent US journalists in the country. In the MidEast, Dahr has also has reported from Syria, Lebanon and Jordan. Dahr uses the DahrJamailIraq.com website and his popular mailing list to disseminate his dispatches.

19 thoughts on “Dahr Jamail”

  1. I recently read a book about the Kokoda campaign in New Guinea in WWII, where Australian troops inflicted the first major defeat on the Japanese.

    The Japanese, of course, were notorious for torturing and murdering prisoners, massacring civilians, mass rape…in fact just about every atrocity you can think of.

    And yet I know quite a few Japanese people. They don’t seem like a bunch of sadistic killers. Gentle and polite is the impression I have.

    What the book revealed was the extent to which the ordinary Japanese soldiers were systematically humiliated and brutalized by NCOs and officers until they became unquestioning killing machines. The enemy were inferior beings, fit only for death or slavery, and showing any mercy was seen as unforgivable weakness.

    The Japanese took the process to the extreme, but the process of turning ordinary men into potential mass murderers lives on.

  2. AW.com has been harping about the same old same old for years and has not changed anything by one bit over that time. Horton is one of their bigger, more naive, whores. Yadda, yadda, yadda, ad infinitum. Lightning rods for USG atrocities, that is all they are…

  3. To every American soldier serving in Iraq and Afghanistan: I am a Christian American. I love my country. I love the land and the people. I love the American ideals of liberty and the right to own property. I love the Lord Jesus Christ. If my beloved country were attacked tomorrow, I would be the first to take up arms to defend her. But I would never take up arms to kill anyone who had not attacked my country or me.

    I want you all to know that you were not sent to Iraq and Afghanistan to fight for liberty and freedom. You are not fighting to defend the Constitution and you are not fighting to defend the American people. You were sent to Iraq and Afghanistan to kill so that big business could control all of the oil in the Middle East. If there were no oil resources in the Middle East, you would not have been sent there.

    Since the US invaded Iraq and Afghanistan, millions of people have died and most of them were innocent of any crime. Many of these innocent people have been killed because of the horrific civil violence that has broken out as a result of US invasions, but many of these innocent people were killed directly by US soldiers too. US soldier, none of these people deserved to die. Their innocent blood is a disgrace to our country. They were not a threat to the people of the America. Their country’s governments were not a threat the the people of America either – it was all a pack of shameful lies.

    I don’t know if any of you are Christians or not. But, I can tell you that this is what Jesus said; “thou shall not murder;” “love your neighbor as you love yourself;” “blessed are the merciful for they will be shown mercy;” blessed are the peacemakers for they will be called sons of God;” and “blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.” Based on these teachings, the invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan are immoral and are a great sin against God.

    US soldier, the war in Iraq can end tomorrow, but you have a decision to make. You can go on killing for big business or you can stop now. You can choose to serve a loving, gracious and forgiving God and do His will, or you can go on choosing to serve an arrogant, greedy, power-hungry, brutal and evil US ruling establishment. The choice is yours.

    US soldier, what can you do to end these horrific, brutal, illegal, unjustified and immoral wars? Refuse to go on patrol. The rest will take care of itself. I will be proud of you and so will God.

  4. Another thing is that former fed chairman Greenspan has said the country cannot afford McCain´s tax cuts for the super-wealthy.
    After becoming Mayor of Wasilla Sarah Palin ordered police to charge rape victims 500 up to 1200 Dollars for the medical exam. She will make abortion illegal even in the case of rape or incest.
    She believes in the “end times” and has said that she´s expecting Jesus to return in her lifetime. Science tells us The Nut Ball could be twice as old, i.e. about 9 billion years-but Without Nuclear War !!!
    And McCain wants to destroy Social Security and make more wars. Palin said, “We may need to go to war with Russia”. That´s NOT an obtion ! May it be possible to survive McCain/Palin on La Palma/Gomera, in the Andes, maybe New Zealand ???

  5. I finally listened to the interview. I don’t hate you. You just read whatever is at the top of the page, which is unfortunately mainly propaganda. ‘Ancient sectarian hatreds’ between the Muslim sects has been heavily pushed here as the cause of the violence and, yes, you’ve done it too. I’ve even seen partition advocated here as the solution to a problem that didn’t exist before the invasion.

    Sistani is Iranian and they hate the Baathists due to the war, not because the Baathists were also mainly Shia. There are already former Baathists like Allawi in the puppet government. The occupation doesn’t turn away bootlickers. There are other Iraqi Grand Ayatollahs too, but anyone who doesn’t support the occupation is ignored by the American media. Here’s part of an interview with Grand Ayatollah Ahmed Alhasani al-Baghdadi: Al-B Now we find the new racist American wall to be built in Baghdad as the beginning of the division of Iraq into states. They are building this wall in the Adhamiya district of Baghdad and their excuse is to protect people from terrorism, although this will not prevent the throwing of grenades and mortars over the wall. This wall isn't spontaneous; it is an introduction for the Iraqi capital to be divided in two, one for Shi'ites and the other for Sunnis.

    MA: Who do you think is responsible for building this wall, the Americans or the Iraqi government?

    Al-B: There is no government in Iraq; there is only a handful of employees who take orders from Americans. These people in the Green Zone are a group of spies.

    MA: What are the benefits for the United States when they have divided Baghdad?

    Al-B: In order to stop the attacks that target them, in order for them to remain in Iraq and in order to keep the area busy and confuse everyone, including Iran.

    MA: Are there other grand ayatollahs in Najaf or Iraq who think the same way as you do?

    Al-B: The whole of the Iraqi people are fighting. There are only four grand ayatollahs who are with the Americans. [Henry] Kissinger said: "If [Grand Ayatollah Ali al-]Sistani was against the American existence in Iraq, we would have left within a few weeks." That's why they wanted to grant him the Nobel Prize. Sistani and Bashir al-Najafi are not Iraqis. Sistani is an Iranian nationalist…Sistani is keeping silent and not uttering a word of truth, so he is a dumb devil. I say fighting is a must and it is the only way to free the land and humans.

    MA: What about the death squads, and who is responsible for their existence?

    Al-B: Recall the Phoenix agreement in Vietnam at the time of Ho Chi Minh when he was the leader of the resistance and when the resistance achieved victories: American political thinkers established death squads. They bore the slogan "We are thirsty for fresh blood" in order to demonize the Vietnamese resistance. When the Americans faced an increase in the Iraqi resistance and its victory, American ambassador [John] Negroponte used his brain to establish death squads in order to discredit the real national resistance. One of the things to prove that is when the so-called Iraqi police check the remains of an exploded car, they find the chassis number is American.

    From the “meeting resistance” comments – I link to this site (i.e. Dahr & friends) whenever possible because you can’t dismiss them as “kooks”. You and Matt Bargainier have both reacted dubiously to other sources.

    Now the Zarqawi nonsense is something we’ve gone over a million times but another won’t hurt: Al Qaeda didn’t run around Afghanistan blowing up mosques (hint: Muslims don’t hate mosques) and markets in a desperate attempt to start a civil war to get the Soviets to stay. They obviously weren’t ruined when the Soviets left and are still sheltered by the locals today. The same would’ve happened in Iraq if “Zarqawi” was actually there to fight the invaders. There’s also millions of Shia in Pakistan yet it’s the American and Pakistani military that are overtly attacking madrassas and mosques there (the Americans may even want to start a civil war!). Unsurprisingly, the locals hate this.

    Body count is irrelevant. Soviet deaths in Afghanistan were around 10-15k and Israeli deaths in Lebanon were barely 1k. When the invaders leave the home team wins. Nothing else matters. And we both know the occupation has no intention of leaving Iraq voluntarily. No one needs to force them to stay.

    As for Iraq you always revert to your ‘magic bomb theory’, but there’s no such thing as markets where only one religious sect is allowed to buy vegetables. The Dahr article I linked to pointed out that they pray in each others mosques too. Every “Zarqawi” bomb killed Arabs (i.e. the bad people who won’t stop attacking the occupiers) who had families, neighbors, and tribal ties to other religions and sects. It was done to demonize the resistance, to terrorize the Iraqis into accepting the occupation, and to provide cover for the partition of Iraq. And there’s still the matter of the vehicles coming from America.

    The guerrillas in some parts of Iraq are primarily from one sect. The guerrillas in other parts are primarily from another. Prospective puppets from any religion or ethnicity are eagerly accepted. The point of all this is that the violence isn’t because of religious differences.

    AQI: Fatah al-islam existed. It was some gang from a refugee camp. It just wasn’t really “al qaeda”. Someone wanted them to pretend to be jihadists, and they were supposed to restart the civil war in Lebanon. Al qaeda in iraq exists in the same sense. Gangs and whatnot put up al qaeda graffiti and pretend to be ‘holy warriors’. They aren’t real either, and if the gangs were doing the car bombings I think they’d be stealing cars from Iraq not America. It also can’t be seriously stated that the goal of the guerrillas, Islamist or otherwise, is to have Iraq permanently at war with itself so the occupation can continue indefinitely.

  6. It is not only what the soldiers are doing what is wrong, but also the stupid policies that get them there in the first place, and still keeps them there are what is utterly wrong!

  7. Before I could start to comment on this intelligently I would have to start by reading that guys book mentioned at the beginning of the interview. Second as a solider I once was, this is the norm as it is the norm in any army, anywhere from the beginning of time…
    Just a few examples: WWI, the Nazi’s of course as everyone knows dehumanized the Jews and other classes not German. America used similar propaganda with their war films that were at the time the nations block buster… “Why we fight” and others starting the momentum…
    Post world war two, they realized that about less than 60 percent of soldiers were shooting to kill. Perhaps it was a religious question, that the Germans themselves considered themselves Christians in an odd way, or that they were white. Whatever the reason, something had to be done. Prior to the Korean war the army started to experiment in shooting at “human” shaped targets as a form of conditioning with much success, by the time “Vietnam” came about, words like “zipper” and “gook” were used and Americans were pulling the trigger with a 90% shoot to kill ratio and less pacifism…
    history is riddled with these scenarios it is nothing new. Now today there isn’t all that much change, maybe we should ask the question, “What do they think of us?” to them we are perhaps, “invaders, evil capitalists… etc” they too dehumanize us… this is entirely the status quo when it comes to asking someone human with feelings to do the ultimate, that is, to take another life… if we all, (them, us doesn’t matter,) were thinking straight there would be less war and killing at the rate we see it now… the theory behind this is if you are going to engage, I guess engage to win, if the other side is doing so… the problem with the theorem is that we then are unable to take the moral high ground and that moral high ground is what our founding fathers were all about (give or take a little). In this interview they mention suicides, like it is something that is unprecedented. Again this is the norm.
    For example: In Chuck Deans’ book, Nam Vet., printed in 1990 by Multnomah Press, Portland, Oregon, the author states that “Fifty-eight thousand plus died in the Vietnam War. Over 150,000 have committed suicide since the war ended”.
    What is that? People trying to understand what they have done? Getting back into the real world and thinking for themselves again? Perhaps the VA was failing them. This is something that has been ongoing for as long as I know in American history and what little I know of the rest of the world that doesn’t even come close to having things set up like a “VA.” As a history major with a passion, I would say “look closer” to anyone reading this stuff. America is a not perfect by any means, but when you look at the rest of it we are not too shabby. I had the privilege of living in Europe for ten years and I think right now we are going through those same growing pains as any nation does. I believe that Europe has gone through many of these growing pains, (two world wars) and they sort come up with a more liberal view point and steady tiller approach.
    I have worked under Peter W. Chiarelli when he was a full bird back in Ft Lewis (1998,) and now, if you look him up he is well, up there, I have also worked as a civilian at “SHAPE” supreme headquarters allied powers Europe (NATO), under Wesley Clark. Throughout all of my tours and all of my working environments I believed the sky was falling until I myself looked closer through a great education in history…
    Shit happens, rock and roll deal with it!

    by the way, I loved the interview… keep up the good work, you sure kept me up tonight.

  8. Cous Cous:

    The Baathists were mostly Shia – Yeah, but not the officers. Not the party bosses. The vast majority of those were Sunni.

    Sistani demanded direct elections and ordered every Shia to vote for the United Iraqi Alliance. Not because America wanted him to. They wanted to set up caucuses and select wide and varied folks from all over to write up the constitution and the rest. He screwed them royally.

    If Americans wanted to bomb Arabs to frame other Arabs, wouldn’t they steal a car from Iraq, not America too?

    Strangely, the concept that Arabs would use bombs to kill Arabs seems to drive you insane.

    So, you found a Shia cleric who doesn’t like Sistani. Great. So what? Sistani is apparently a much greater influence on people’s behavior than him.

    Funny how he can only blame Americans for the removal of the Sunni from Baghdad. Was it Americans putting drills in people’s heads? Was it Americans leaving dozens of corpses lined up on the side of the roads in the first half of last year and the year before? No. It was the Badr Corps and the Mahdi Army. Iraqis. Arabs. Was Moqtada doing this because Petreaus told him to? (He certainly wasn’t targeted for it, no doubt about that.)

    Just because evil Americans have their plans doesn’t mean they run everything and are particularly responsible for every thing that happens. Obviously they’re responsible in the larger sense, but I’m referring to your “But why would an Arab ever bomb an Arab? It must be the pentagon,” theory of yours.

    You keep telling me they aren’t fighting about religion and I keep telling you, Yeah, no shit, Cous Cous. Everyone in the whole fucking world knows they aren’t fighting about religion. But virtually every organized group outside of the green zone is run by religious authorities. There are not a bunch of Sunnis in the Mahdi Army. And when the Mahdi Army is killing Sunnis, I NEVER SAID it was because they don’t approve of their religious beliefs. It’s politics. Power. People on Earth fighting for what they want. So stop goddamn telling me to stop saying they hate each others’ religions because I never did the first time. For the last time.

    Now this is just stupid: “Al Qaeda didn’t run around Afghanistan blowing up mosques (hint: Muslims don’t hate mosques) and markets in a desperate attempt to start a civil war to get the Soviets to stay. They obviously weren’t ruined when the Soviets left and are still sheltered by the locals today.”

    What, can’t you learn boy? I never said that the mujahedeen was desperate to keep the Russians in Afghanistan. What I said was that they saw what happened later as the USSR fell, and naturally took the credit.

    They decided to try to replicate this effect by provoking the US to invade. I told you before, bin Laden explained the whole thing in his Oct 04, please reelect Bush speech. And if there were a new state in Iraq, al Qaeda in Iraq would be doomed. There never was a state in Afghanistan. That’s what a state is, a monopoly on acting like al Qaeda within a given geographic setting, see?

    I never claimed that “al Qaeda in Iraq” is the “real al Qaeda,” all I ever said was that they were what they were. Zarqawi had rejected bin Laden before heading to Kurdistan. Not till Dec, 04, did he announce that he was loyal to bin Laden. Nothing but a publicity stunt really. Any militia can call itself anything. Zawahiri was concerned enough that he went on TV in Pakistan and told Zarqawi to cool it because he was causing them to much blowback by killing so many people. I guess he fell for it too.

    And I never said that Zarqawi was blowing things up or else America would leave. I said that he wanted to keep the war going so that America would bleed to death there AND THEN LEAVE THE ENTIRE MIDDLE EAST FOREVER (Can you read that? Can you comprehend it?), rather than sitting in air conditioned bases babysitting a new puppet government “indefinitely.”

    Christ, you got anything else I never said you want to take exception to?

    Now go get your own – better – show. I’m not arguing with you anymore.

  9. The Baath Party was secular and mainly Shia. One of the vice presidents was Christian. It wasn’t a “Sunni” party and religious differences obviously aren’t why it was very unpopular with the Iranians and Sadrists. Iran has Christians, Jews, and millions of Sunnis. Their puppets aren’t all from one religion or ethnicity either.

    The Sadrists were blamed for the ‘sectarian violence’ shortly after they started blaming the occupation for the bombings in 2004. However, as of 2007 there were still Sunnis living in Sadr City: Hussein and Hasan confirm that the Americans usually “come at night, sometimes by day, always protected by helicopters”. They “sometimes bomb houses, sometimes arrest people, sometimes throw missiles”. Three months ago “they surrounded Sadr City. They keep doing it sometimes, for a few hours.” Hussein is adamant: “This is not a dangerous place. You can walk around anywhere. Even Sunnis live here. Our director of finance, he lives in Adhamiyah, he comes to work here. Many women officials too. The other way around, it would not be possible.” If he wanted to create a homogeneous religious state he would’ve started in his own neighborhood in 2003. Since the death squads had already been active for years by that point it isn’t difficult to see who wanted to partition Iraq.

    Also, the death squads kill anyone opposed to the occupation, not just “Sunnis”. The death squads have killed tribal leaders who don’t support Iran In another significant event last August, Sheikh Faissal al-Khayoon, chief of the major Shi’ite Arab tribe Beni Assad, was killed by death squads with suspected Iranian backing. The killers are believed by men from the tribe to have been working for the Iraqi Ministry of Interior in Basra.

    Khayoon’s tribe members reacted immediately. They took over the streets and government offices, and set fire to the Iranian consulate in Basra. The protests continued until clerics and Iraqi government officials promised
    them a full investigation.

    “It was another lie that some of us believed,” a senior Beni Assad leader told IPS on condition of anonymity. “The Sheikh was killed by Iranian collaborators and we made a promise to his soul that his precious life will be avenged.”

    Your comments on Afghanistan are still bizarre. Afghanistan had a government – the Taliban. They sheltered al qaeda even though they could’ve made themselves quite rich by getting rid of them. If they had been running around blowing up mosques and markets they would’ve been hunted down and killed.

    “Zarqawi” didn’t attack the occupation. He attacked the Arab civilian population. The reason for that is because if the locals hate the guerrillas, then the guerrillas will lose. The guerrilla war against the occupation was already underway and still hasn’t stopped, so I have no idea why you think they were sitting around not being attacked when he was created. There’s also the matter of his press releases trumpeting about destroying markets and mosques that were somehow only used by one sect (which is utter nonsense) or how he was getting cars from America.

    Since the Iraqis don’t have fuel to put in their cars or jobs to drive them to there are no shortage of useless Iraqi cars around to use for bombs. The gangs and guerrillas would have no problem buying or stealing them and have no plausible way to get cars from America. The occupation gets attacked relentlessly in Iraq and would find it much easier to get cars sent in from elsewhere.

    Of course some of the bombs were in local cars but they have an interesting explanation for that. Here’s an excerpt from an interview with an Iraqi guerrilla. The IR [Iraqi Resistance] has condemned and condemns attacks on civilians, we do not blow up markets filled with innocent lives. This is a propaganda tactic by the occupier to discredit us. Suicide bombings against Iraqi civilians, beheadings, car bombs and the rest are all the work of the Occupation, the mercenaries, the Mossad, the Iranian militias and its sectarian squads. On many occasions, cars have been stopped at checkpoints only to find out that during their search they (US forces and militias) have planted bombs in them without the car owner’s knowledge.

    The IR does not do such things. We need the Iraqi people, all of the Iraqi people, it is from them that we draw force and support, how can we target them ? We are a Resistance movement against the Occupation (both American and Iranian) not against the Iraqi people. We need our people. How can we kill our own people ?

    If you’re going to pretend the Iraqis are doing it to themselves, can you provide a history of all the mosque bombings that took place in Iraq prior to the invasion in 2003?

  10. Whatever. You oversimplify everything, and like a neocon spin everything I say your own way before you argue with it. I've checked my facts and interpretation with Dahr, Cockburn and the best of the rest of them. And I'll just say that this will be the last time I bother wasting any more time arguing with you about it, because I am thoroughly satisfied that it is impossible that I have anything more I could possibly learn from it, and that you have no interest in learning anything either. Beyond that, I really don't care about you or what you think.

  11. I’ve finally figured out what you were trying to convey in your last few posts. That Iraq really is divided on religious lines but they’re fighting about politics instead of religion. That’s still completely wrong. As Dahr and the Meeting Resistance people recently pointed out to you, the population is intermarried and the “civil war is a political one – a fight for the future of Iraq and whether the country will continue to be held together by the nationalists, or divided up by the partitionists” with Sunni and Shia on both sides. The guerrilla war and the retaliatory partitioning of Iraq are both because of the occupation. Since the Iranian government, the Baathists, and the Sadrists are all mainly from the same sect; it’s safe to say religion, or ‘religious politics’, isn’t what they disagree about.

    I’ll also point out that you’ve never provided any examples of guerrillas running around desperately attacking the civilians that support them, though I’ve provided several examples of colonial powers doing that (OAS, Phoenix Program, Salvador Option). Surely you’ve realized that Hezbollah, al Qaeda, the Minutemen, et cetera, didn’t spend all their time blowing up their own mosques and churches in an attempt to start a ‘civil war’, yet you persist in insisting that this is happening in Iraq.

    And for old times sake, how likely is it that an Arab Islamist group is running around America effortlessly stealing cars to use for massacring Arabs and destroying mosques on the other side of the world? The FBI’s counterterrorism unit has launched a broad investigation of US-based theft rings after discovering that some of the vehicles used in deadly car bombings in Iraq, including attacks that killed US troops and Iraqi civilians, were probably stolen in the United States, according to senior government officials.

  12. Here is how stupid you are and why I’ll no longer entertain your arguments:

    “I’ll also point out that you’ve never provided any examples of guerrillas running around desperately attacking the civilians that support them,”

    Uh, I never said they were attacking the people who support them. You, like a neoconservative, must spin, oversimplify, distort, reduce and otherwise butcher your opponent’s argument before you challenge it. Ridiculous. And I’m done.

  13. What positions am I twisting? Over the years you’ve claimed a contradictory amalgamation of everything you’ve read here was true. You’ve tied yourself into many different knots trying to explain the Zarqawi nonsense and the ‘sectarian violence’.

    “Zarqawi” relentlessly attacked the Arab civilian population. Guerrillas who attack the people they come from are effectively committing suicide. This is self evident, though you seem to be unaware of it. Successful guerrillas like al Qaeda in Afghanistan, Hezbollah, and the American revolutionaries didn’t do this. I even graciously explained to you that governments fighting guerrillas do attack the local civilians – the O.A.S., the Phoenix Program, and the Salvador Option. You’ve never acknowledged this and obviously can’t refute it.

    His communiqué was patently absurd. The occupation wasn’t about to leave Iraq in 2004. Iraq has never had a civil war. There has never been a ‘Sunni/Shia civil war’ anywhere. Muslims don’t hate mosques. The explanation is that “Zarqawi” was created to serve the interests of the occupation. It is difficult to determine how much has been spent on the Zarqawi campaign, which began two years ago and is believed to be ongoing. U.S. propaganda efforts in Iraq in 2004 cost $24 million, but that included extensive building of offices and residences for troops involved, as well as radio broadcasts and distribution of thousands of leaflets with Zarqawi’s face on them, said the officer speaking on background.

    The Zarqawi campaign is discussed in several of the internal military documents. “Villainize Zarqawi/leverage xenophobia response,” one U.S. military briefing from 2004 stated. It listed three methods: “Media operations,” “Special Ops (626)” (a reference to Task Force 626, an elite U.S. military unit assigned primarily to hunt in Iraq for senior officials in Hussein’s government) and “PSYOP,” the U.S. military term for propaganda work.

    One internal briefing, produced by the U.S. military headquarters in Iraq, said that Kimmitt had concluded that, “The Zarqawi PSYOP program is the most successful information campaign to date.”

  14. Mssrs. Horton and Cous Cous, you are both obviously perceptive and well researched. I read both your words with interest. Drop the semantics, it’s not about religion or politics it’s about survival Iraq and Afghanistan, Iran, whatever…Please Mssr. Horton do not end your dialogue with Cous Cous, ” when the talking ends the shooting starts”, Hello? I don’t know if you’ve missed it but poor kids from the USA and Allied countries and poor kids from the Middle east are being murdered in The Middle East for Profit. Period share waht you know in order to obtain consensus- don’t hold a position as if it were precious, all knowledge is a dialectic, the progressive study and application of a theory until it works in practice, I of course am assuming that you both want peace and prosperity for all of us that share this beautiful blue Orb. Earth is all we have Global domination by any militaristic financial opportunists is bringing about our collective painful demise. I am an ex-soldier I know what it’s like to bomb and be bombed to wound and be wounded. I am my brothers keeper. I would stand between the evil horde and fight to win and die if necessary to defend both your families. Look for a point of unity – your intelligence looks to me like a place to start, your patience and humility will forge your bond. I imagine a wotld where Cous Cous and Horton use their brains to formulate answers not argue over the questions. Non nobis Domine, non nobis; sed Nomini Tuo da gloriam – Not to us O Lord, not to us; but to your name give glory…We are all Gods ‘ children. Feel free to be faithful, we are all born of the same father. Oh, by the by I am not a religious extremist, War has taught me patience and humility. Peace be with you.

  15. Хорошая статья, да и сам сайт я смотрю очень даже не плох. Попал сюда по поиску из Гугла, занес в букмарки 🙂

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