Scott Horton Interviews Jacob Hornberger

Scott Horton, October 12, 2008

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Jacob Hornberger, founder and president of the Future of Freedom Foundation, discusses Operation Keelhaul, the betrayal and repatriation of Russian hero Andrey Vlasov and his 50,000 men, how Roosevelt and Churchill’s demand of Nazi Germany’s unconditional surrender prolonged the war and allowed the Soviet Union to conquer Eastern Europe, the similarities between FDR and the European fascists, the myth that the free market caused the Great Depression and the 20,000 American and 30,000 British POWs that Truman also let Stalin take to the Gulags to die. Watch the speeches from FFF’s Restoring the Republic conference here.

MP3 here. (48:03)

Jacob Hornberger is founder and president of The Future of Freedom Foundation. He was born and raised in Laredo, Texas, and received his B.A. in economics from Virginia Military Institute and his law degree from the University of Texas. He was a trial attorney for twelve years in Texas. He also was an adjunct professor at the University of Dallas, where he taught law and economics. In 1987, Mr. Hornberger left the practice of law to become director of programs at The Foundation for Economic Education in Irvington-on-Hudson, New York, publisher of The Freeman and Freedom Daily. Fluent in Spanish and conversant in Italian, he has delivered speeches and engaged in debates and discussions about free-market principles with groups all over the United States, as well as Canada, England, Europe, and Latin America, including Brazil, Cuba, Bolivia, Mexico, Costa Rica, and Argentina. He has also advanced freedom and free markets on talk-radio stations all across the country as well as on FOX New’s Neil Cavuto and Greta van Susteren shows. His editorials have appeared in the Washington Post, Charlotte Observer, La Prensa San Diego, El Nuevo Miami Herald, and many others, both in the United States and in Latin America. He is a co-editor or contributor to the eight books that have been published by the Foundation.

13 Responses to “Jacob Hornberger”

  1. Our so-called leaders lie to the public as SOP. It is supposedly “for our own good” but as we watch the Western financial system unravel it is becoming apparent that many of them lie for just the opposite reason.

  2. A shocking and shameful episode indeed.

    Another that gets even less attention is the horrific treatment of ordinary German POWs after the war. Many people are aware that those captured by Soviet forces suffered terribly for many years, but few know of the appalling death toll among German prisoners of the Western allies, particularly the Americans and the French. Add that to area and fire bombing of civilians, Hiroshima and Nagasaki, etc etc, and the white hats take on a decidedly grey tinge.

    On the economic front, I must say that when purist libertarians discuss the Great Depression and the New Deal, it’s a bit like listening to idealistic communists lamenting the fact that ‘real’ communism has ‘never been tried’.

    ‘Oh, those terrible tyrants. If only they’d followed Marx’s real intentions, it would have led to paradise on Earth.’

    ‘Oh, those faux capitalists. If only there had been real free-markets everything would have worked out fine.’

    Well, maybe. But maybe not. We don’t know because this purist libertarian capitalism has indeed never been tried. What we can say for sure is that the vast majority of people in the Western world lead lives that on any material measure are spectacularly more comfortable than their forebears did either during or before the Great Depression. I don’t know to what extent if any the New Deal/Keynsian policies played a role in that. I don’t believe anybody does really know. But to insist that a purely hypothetical alternative would definitely have been preferable? Too doctrinaire for my tastes.

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  4. Many thanks for mentioning Executive complicity in Pearl Harbor. In that respect, 9/11 is certainly the new Pearl Harbor.

  5. Never underestimate the evil of politicians. FDR is the poster child for why big, intrusive centralized government is inherently immoral and destructive to individual liberties and civilization itself.

    One would think that Roosevelt’s deplorable decision to treat Americans of Japanese descent like cattle would be evidence enough of his callous disregard for people, but his treatment of the soldiers sent back to Stalin for certain execution really takes the cake.

    To those who idolize FDR as America’s savior, what say you?

  6. it’s hard to find the facts when the history books have been written by the “winners” and even online sources (wikipedia) are unreliable. check out Vlasov’s appeal to the Russian people:
    http://www.uea.ac.uk/his/webcours/russia/documents/vlasov.shtml

  7. Your radio interviews are excellent. Its great to have a discussion on a subject that lasts more than 32 seconds, and involves people who actually do basic research.

    But I must take exception of your Stalin-Hitler comparision, especially the view that Hitler was more qualitatively evil. Of course Hitler was truly horrendous, but everything the Nazi’s did the Communists did FIRST (by and large) and on a much larger scale. Just read the Gulag Archipelago for the list of brutal atrocities the Communists did daily for 40 years.

    Stalin was without doubt far worse, and I question the reason why Hilter receives all the focus. It is quite a distortion of the atrocities of last century. Alas the sophistication of our moral compass seems to be either your’re good or you’re HITLER and nothing else.

    I must also comment that while it is a crime by FDR to have allowed 2 million russians to be repatriated to torture and death by the soviets, there is clearly a big distinction between an accomplice and the actual murderers here. Nobody but Stalin and the Soviets made the decision to commit the final barbarities on their people. To equate the two grossly downplays the responsbility of the Soviets here.

  8. Mr Horton, you and I would not agree about the virtues of laissez-faire economic policies, but I do wish you would learn how to pronounce the term. Try ‘less say fer’ — not perfect, but a great improvement.

  9. Obama said that Iran should be barred from importing gasoline. That´s a Declaration of War, the same as HR 362 and SR 580 which were shelved for now.

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  11. It should also be remembered that it was ‘files’ liberated by the Russians that make up the bulk of the case against Nazi Germany. This point is not to abslove the German administration of its guilt. It is merely to point out that its time we take another look at post war Russia’s ‘Nazi documents’. When one looks at the cases of Katyn and Lvov it becomes clear that it is difficult to take any of the post war Russian claims with regards to the Nazi’s seriously.

  12. This truly was an amazing interview, and a must hear. Tremendous thanks and kudos to antiwar and FFF, Scott and Jacob.

  13. WWII revisionism has alot of valid points to brin up, but some of it conclusions are wrong.

    Eastern Europe under the Nazis and under the Soviets can not be compared. Post WWII Communism in Eastern Europe was what it was, but it was very mild in comparison to what the Nazis had in store. You forget the only reason Hitler ended up killing less people than Stalin was that Hitler was defeated relativley early. The Nazis planned on eventualy exterminating most of the Czechs, Poles, Belarussians and Ukrainians and Germanise the rest. You can not possibly compare that to imposing a local communist puppet government which the USSR did.

    You forget the extreme racism of Hitler and the Nazis. Probably becasue it was only ever turned Eastwards and not towards you. Over 3 milllion Soviet POWs were starved to death in German camps while barely any Western Allies died while imprisoned by the Germans. Plenty of German POWS died in Soviet camps as well to be sure, but the death rate was far lower and that in a country that had trouble feeding her own people and army.

    What the Nais commited against the civilians on the Eastern Front was attrocious. The Red Army commited attrocities of its own, namely the mass rapes of German women towards the end of the war. These were despicable, criminal and evil deeds, but it is a fact what the German army did to civilians of the Soviet Union was even worse. It wasn`t just raping it was mass killings.

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