Douglas Valentine

The Phoenix Program


Douglas Valentine, author of The Phoenix Program, discusses the CIA’s Phoenix program targeting civilians during the Vietnam war, the similarities between the Phoenix program, the Nazis in France in World War II and the “War on Terror,” the vast difference between policy and operational realities, the tragedy of our support for, and murder of Diem, CIA “black propaganda,” the lies that initiate all American wars, the CIA’s criminal involvement in the drug trade, the corruption of the U.S. Congress and pessimism about the ability of the American people to put government power in check.

MP3 here. (40:31)

Douglas Valentine is the author of several books including The Strength of the Wolf: The Secret History of America’s War on Drugs and The Phoenix Program and a frequent contributor to the biweekly newsletter CounterPunch.

12 thoughts on “Douglas Valentine”

  1. Thanks for having Mr. Valentine on Scott. It’s unfortunate that there aren’t more interviews with him. I’m sure a lot of the reasons why he isn’t interviewed more is because a) a lot of the things he says, on their face, sound like conspiracy theories and b) what he says doesn’t fall under the simple left/right paradigm. I really hope you follow through on reading those books and have him on again.

  2. Dear Scott,

    Another great interview as usual – however, there were couple of points I would agree with Mr. Valentine – learning foreign languages comes with the learning and understanding the very foreign cultures, and – as I said before: the master PLAN is architected in a way that it remains always profitable, regardless if it is a failure or a success.

  3. Valentine talks about how the CIA gave local warlords in Vietnam a “huge percentage of the heroin business” as part of the cost of doing business, as the means of giving locals the incentive to fight and spy against their own people.

    In regards to this type of practice, it is interesting to note that since the invasion of Afghanistan the crop yields of Opium Poppies have set records every year since the Americans overthrew the Taliban; so it would appear the same policies are being pursued in Afghanistan.

    Recently the Opium farmers in Afghanistan have begun to set aside, store, large quantities of the Heroin precursors. Is this new policy meant as a type of price support? Is it symptomatic of American and NATO losing the lost ground war in Afghanistan to the resurgent Taliban?

    Lastly, I can’t help but laugh when I hear Valentine maintain, rightly so, that false-flag, black ops, are used quite often by the CIA and the British MI6 as a means of generating fear as the mechanism for population control; a means for setting off conflagerations between groups (Sunni versus Muslim, Christian versus Catholic, etc…); a means for enabling an occupying force to use these acts as a means, a pretext, for reducing suspect villages to rubble; and lastly as a means of implementing the neoliberal, Washington consensus agenda by force; and then to hear Horton hesitantly agree with Valentines accurate assessment, yet taking pains not to go down the path, the Freeway in my mind, of logical conclusion that the United States and Britain (while carefully not mentioning Israel) have possibly used domestic terrorist attacks within their own and other countries (911 and 7/7) as the means for pursuing their foreign and domestic policy agendas. The evidence out there to substantiate these claims is mountainous, but you will never seen Horton or his mentor Raimundo ever investitage the 911 or 7/7 lynchpin strategies.

  4. Obama said that Iran should be barred from importing gasoline. That´s a Declaration of War, the same as HR 362 and SR 580 which were shelved for now.
    The depression that follows will bring us back to 1932. There´s still NO EVIDENCE that Iran is pursuing a nuclear weapons program.

  5. Doug is a great guy. I know. I am retired DEA Agent. But I don’t recall CIA walking around our office. In fact if a new agent arrived from out of New York. Until it was proven he was not spying on New York. He would not be spoken too. Stay well. Doug. Grapes

  6. In fact, when there was a shooting in a Chicago parking lot. And one agent shot another, accidently by the way. An Agent from NY was assigned to go to Chicago and investigate. He didn’t even make it out of the office, when Chicago knew he was coming. We might have been a small bureau. But we……..

  7. Re 911 etc. I’ve been commenting on this periodically, but I just have to say it again, this is really getting comical now. For example the way that Scott Horton frantically jumped from Valentine’s excellent discussion of massive CIA false flag ops post 911 all the way back to the 1980s as if nothing whatsoever had occurred in the intervening years. Not a mention of the unmentionable, of course.

    I guess the price of “respectability” these days is to turn yourself into a complete joke with anyone with an ounce of integrity and an IQ over 25.

    Tim Howells

  8. This is a great interview, and it further demonstrates to me how this show is an invaluable source of information on topics that interest me.

    I’ll tell you though, I wish these 9/11-truthers could express their opinion without insulting everyone who disagrees. Come on…

  9. Doug has since broken off our friendship. Due to Political differences. I'm sorry about that. But in politics, one must be very thick skinned. Stay well Doug. The Best to You. Grapes.

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