Putting the morality of coercion aside, Austrian economics says that state centralized planning is inherently flawed by economic law where liberty is not.

That state ownership over the means of production cannot increase overall wealth and raise people’s standards of living to the degree that individual ownership over the means of production can in the long run. That collectivism is more destructive to economic life than liberty is over the long term.

The Austrian schools of economics certainly does not say anywhere that governments are incapable, due to economic law or anything else for that matter, of killing their own people or doing false flag operations against anything or anybody else for that matter. Governments have been killing people, whether their own or not, since there have been governments.

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The 911 Truth Movement general conspiracy theory for 911, for people that have one, is basically that 911 was orchestrated by a state and non-state criminal network up to the highest level to increase the world ruling elite’s control over the planet. Actually I think most people stay away from that in the 911 Truth Movement, because it’s just too scary, they just don’t think the government’s 911 conspiracy theory makes any sense giving the facts.

If the world used sound money 911 type things would not be happening.

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The fact that governments are big and clumsily and all the rest is one reason why criminal networks are able operate within them. You think that governments are capable of sniffing that out, they aren’t. You think that criminal rogue networks operating inside the US government are too stupid to do such a thing and the US government is too smart among others things to not catch them at it and tell you about it but 19 Arabs, some of which survived the crash, and a guy on dialysis in a cave in Afghanistan can pull it off.

My advice for you Jim is to forget 911, you can’t handle it. You don’t have the discipline. You can’t wrap your brain around it right now, so don’t even try to attempt it. I told you where to go and you didn’t go, so why fight it, go do something else and forget it. When you can’t handle something you need to get out of the way of people that can.

No entity kills more than governments do by a huge margin, go look it up. Murders tend to murder until they get caught. Go back to sleep Jim and forget this stuff.

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1. The government controls the information
2. We do not believe the government
3. Here’s our solution

The problem here is first, there’s always going to be skeptics. If the government really was competent enough to put out a deception effort (which I doubt they are), they’d put one which would not be obvious. But there’s a logical error here a la Star Trek.

Assume verything the government tells you is a lie.
The government says “I am lying right now”

This is why you can’t go by the opposite of the government. If the government is lying, then its telling the truth. If it is not lying, then the assumption is flawed. The reality is just because you don’t trust someone doesn’t mean they’re not telling the truth. Similarly just because you trust someone doesn’t mean they’re not lying. Why on earth should I believe you more than the journals I’ve seen and things I’ve read, which are peer reviewed and nearly every influential scientist reject such conclusions? The answer is simple: There’s no credibility to believe you any more than the government. So the conclusion to 1 is that at worst, you can not make any conclusions based on government information, and that includes cover up.

Notice I am not saying there was no cover up. I honestly believe though there was no cover up. I will probably die an old man believing that. But I can’t prove it. And you can’t prove there was a cover up since the information you collect is usually random, unexplained factoids that have no real impact, but you think is something that can’t be accounted for (since you can’t account for it) and thus, SOMETHING must have happened (heaven forbid the same government that has had crisis after crisis do something competently). The reality is if you’re really skeptical about government power, which a lot of Austrian Economists (and people here are), then there’s very little way the government could pull all of this off. And if you believe the government can be that efficient, that kind of means the public sector must be more efficient than the private sector, which makes the whole Austrian school kind of flawed. Of course, then, this means private individuals would control the government in that school to do this, which the conspiracy theorists believe anyway: Well, then in the absence of a strong centralized authority criminals will take over, thus rendering the Austrian school wrong again.

No, the government response simply was one of failure. There’s no real evidence of a US conspiracy, or a conspiracy of its allies. One problem people have is conspiracy theorists always believe that they’re smarter than everyone else, therefore enlightened. There are thousands that work for the government, in the security fields alone. First, ask yourself how smart you are compared to the normal public. Next, ask yourself how smart these people are, including those who make decisions. If you’re as arrogant as you must to think you’ve reached some new conclusion and everyone else is blind, congrats! The people in government don’t know what they’re doing. Thus the thousands of people needed to keep quiet about their actions and what they saw…not one of them has a chance at being “enlightened” and talking and putting the pieces together, right? And any organization, if they could pull off what happened and a cover up, they can surely shut down your internet service or find some sort of other way to shut you up, right?

Newflash: You’re not that important, and your continued existence presents the biggest problem with your theory.

And then, furthermore, what if the government-the ones we elected-are doing this? Who will defend us? We elect and trust in you guys and then you do the same things down the line? And with this paranoid streak in which everyone who isn’t enlightened might be a conformist or worse? Where does this “quest” end?

No thanks. I’d rather not go into Stalinism on your behalf. Especially if people in your ranks are lying too. That gives you as much credibility as those imaginary ghosts you claim to be fighting. The most skepticism I can offer you is that we can’t know what happened. For all we know in your analysis, a bunch of pissed off Vikings on mushrooms did it because they wanted the Danegold and to punish the English speakers for not paying it for hundreds of years.

This country needs less blame to find out what happened and actually deal with its problems. As insensitive as this sounds, there’s more to life to worry about than 9/11, Waco, Oklahoma City, USS Liberty, and anything you want to throw out. That’s: Will I have a job, will I be able to get food, will my family be able to eat, will my neighbors have the same problems, and how can I save in case I can’t do those things?

From there we can go forth: How do we end our wars and have a more just yet free society? Nowhere do I see conspiracy theories ending our current problems!

Knowledge is work, it can’t be injected into your brain like an IV. So sorry, you’ll have to break your own sweat on it. Stop wasting other people’s time.

I told you where to go.

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Research where all that takes you. Answer your own questions by doing your own research. If you don’t know how to do that yet in life go back to school until you learn.

I told you where to go so stop sucking off other people’s tit to get anywhere in life.

“There is a method to their madness, there really is not much method to yours, because you are operating from a place of ignorance and until you change that you are going to be bumbling around bumping into to each other saying and doing the wrong things, not understanding the nature of your enemy and if you don’t understand the nature of your enemy and the weapons they use, you can not fight that enemy. You can’t fight the battle. You shouldn’t even be on the battlefield. You don’t even recognize half the weapons they use against you, and some of them seem so insignificant you don’t even try. That’s why you are losing the war. Now don’t tell me you’re not, you don’t even try.” – William Cooper

“…a nation or world of people who will not use their intelligence are no better than animals who do not have intelligence. Such people are beasts of burden and steaks on the table by choice and consent…Those who will not use their brains are no better off than those who have no brains, and so this mindless school of jelly-fish, father, mother, son, and daughter, become useful beasts of burden or trainers of the same.” – Silent Weapons for Quiet Wars

Don’t be 9/11 stupid, grow up soon.

Furthermore, no one making those claims of responsibility has direct access to anything involved, without the exception of intelligence organizations whom no one seems to believe anyway if they don’t buy the official story.

I’m not saying it was anything, really. I’m saying you can point the finger at any country, and since people in America have only heard of Iraq, Israel and Iran, naturally most people are into some conspiracy theory brewing there, or in America itself. No one really knows what happened, and anyone who says otherwise is more than likely lying. The standard of proof needed for anyone who has an opinion is too high, and everyone has their biases anyway.

What do I believe happened? A bunch of psychotics went nuts for a few months and four of them killed themselves and took the others in the bunch with them (voluntarily or involuntarily-its not clear that all the hijackers knew they were on a suicide mission!). Wouldn’t be the first time in history. Wouldn’t be the last. Al Qaida? Probably. But it doesn’t matter. Whomever it was were murderers thinking that they would do something.

By this point debating over the blame is pointless. We have real consequences of choices made, and no one is offering real, pragmatic solutions.

Either spend the time or learn to lose.

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