Scott Horton Interviews Chalmers Johnson

Scott Horton, February 05, 2009

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Chalmers Johnson, author of Nemesis: The Last Days of the American Republic, discusses the enormous and expanding U.S. defense budget amidst a general economic collapse, the army of defense lobbyists ready to fight against any spending cuts, how military spending diverts economic resources away from beneficial uses and how defense contractors make the largest and most dubious defense projects into sacred cows by spreading production to as many congressional districts as possible.

MP3 here. (22:46)

Chalmers Johnson is the author of Blowback: The Costs and Consequences of American Empire, The Sorrows of Empire: Militarism, Secrecy, and the End of the Republic and Nemesis: The Last Days of the American Republic. His latest article, “Economic Death Spiral at the Pentagon”, co-written with Tom Engelhardt, is at Tomdispatch.com and at Antiwar.com.

27 Responses to “Chalmers Johnson”

  1. OH MY GOD THE NEW YORK TIMES JUST LOST ALLLLLL MY RESPECT (what ever was left after they got crystal to do opeds)

  2. p.s ive read nemesis the last days.. about 6 times and have listened to the audio book at least 10 times

  3. http://www.preserveraptorjobs.com/

    i sent my own letter

  4. One thing about the F15 that you did not mention is that they seem to be falling apart. Remember this for example. Well it could be a conspiracy I suppose. And I’m not saying this to justify the F22. Maybe this is just a reason to keep up production of the F15 (or re-start it) and the F16.

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  6. thats why they call it radio

  7. on a serious note.
    i think the real question is this.
    the bush administration’s “greatest” accomplishment as freeing the military from any real Congressional control or over site (however much there was to start with)
    now it seams to be coming out that obama might not have full control over the military.
    so just who is in control of the worlds largest army?
    and why is “the man from the undisclosed location” talking about attacks so soon?

  8. Most americans are in denial over what is happening to the country… Politicians are not going to solve its problems because they are bholden to the system that puts them in office…

    It’s Not Going to Be OK
    February 2, 2009
    by Chris Hedges
    TruthDig.com

    The daily bleeding of thousands of jobs will soon turn our economic crisis into a political crisis. The street protests, strikes and riots that have rattled France, Turkey, Greece, Ukraine, Russia, Latvia, Lithuania, Bulgaria and Iceland will descend on us. It is only a matter of time. And not much time. When things start to go sour, when Barack Obama is exposed as a mortal waving a sword at a tidal wave, the United States could plunge into a long period of precarious social instability.

    At no period in American history has our democracy been in such peril or has the possibility of totalitarianism been as real. Our way of life is over. Our profligate consumption is finished. Our children will never have the standard of living we had. And poverty and despair will sweep across the landscape like a plague. This is the bleak future. There is nothing President Obama can do to stop it. It has been decades in the making. It cannot be undone with a trillion or two trillion dollars in bailout money. Our empire is dying. Our economy has collapsed.

    How will we cope with our decline? Will we cling to the absurd dreams of a superpower and a glorious tomorrow or will we responsibly face our stark new limitations? Will we heed those who are sober and rational, those who speak of a new simplicity and humility, or will we follow the demagogues and charlatans who rise up out of the slime in moments of crisis to offer fantastic visions? Will we radically transform our system to one that protects the ordinary citizen and fosters the common good, that defies the corporate state, or will we employ the brutality and technology of our internal security and surveillance apparatus to crush all dissent? We won’t have to wait long to find out.

    There are a few isolated individuals who saw it coming. The political philosophers Sheldon S. Wolin, John Ralston Saul and Andrew Bacevich, as well as writers such as Noam Chomsky, Chalmers Johnson, David Korten and Naomi Klein, along with activists such as Bill McKibben and Ralph Nader, rang the alarm bells. They were largely ignored or ridiculed. Our corporate media and corporate universities proved, when we needed them most, intellectually and morally useless.

    Wolin, who taught political philosophy at the University of California in Berkeley and at Princeton, in his book “Democracy Incorporated” uses the phrase inverted totalitarianism to describe our system of power. Inverted totalitarianism, unlike classical totalitarianism, does not revolve around a demagogue or charismatic leader. It finds its expression in the anonymity of the corporate state. It purports to cherish democracy, patriotism and the Constitution while cynically manipulating internal levers to subvert and thwart democratic institutions. Political candidates are elected in popular votes by citizens, but they must raise staggering amounts of corporate funds to compete. They are beholden to armies of corporate lobbyists in Washington or state capitals who write the legislation. A corporate media controls nearly everything we read, watch or hear and imposes a bland uniformity of opinion or diverts us with trivia and celebrity gossip. In classical totalitarian regimes, such as Nazi fascism or Soviet communism, economics was subordinate to politics. “Under inverted totalitarianism the reverse is true,” Wolin writes. “Economics dominates politics—and with that domination comes different forms of ruthlessness.”

    I reached Wolin, 86, by phone at his home about 25 miles north of San Francisco. He was a bombardier in the South Pacific during World War II and went to Harvard after the war to get his doctorate. Wolin has written classics such as “Politics and Vision” and “Tocqueville Between Two Worlds.” His newest book is one of the most important and prescient critiques to date of the American political system. He is also the author of a series of remarkable essays on Augustine of Hippo, Richard Hooker, David Hume, Martin Luther, John Calvin, Max Weber, Friedrich Nietzsche, Karl Marx and John Dewey. His voice, however, has faded from public awareness because, as he told me, “it is harder and harder for people like me to get a public hearing.” He said that publications, such as The New York Review of Books, which often published his work a couple of decades ago, lost interest in his critiques of American capitalism, his warnings about the subversion of democratic institutions and the emergence of the corporate state. He does not hold out much hope for Obama.

    “The basic systems are going to stay in place; they are too powerful to be challenged,” Wolin told me when I asked him about the new Obama administration. “This is shown by the financial bailout. It does not bother with the structure at all. I don’t think Obama can take on the kind of military establishment we have developed. This is not to say that I do not admire him. He is probably the most intelligent president we have had in decades. I think he is well meaning, but he inherits a system of constraints that make it very difficult to take on these major power configurations. I do not think he has the appetite for it in any ideological sense. The corporate structure is not going to be challenged. There has not been a word from him that would suggest an attempt to rethink the American imperium.”

    Chris Hedges writes a regular column for Truthdig.com. Hedges graduated from Harvard Divinity School and was for nearly two decades a foreign correspondent for The New York Times. He is the author of “American Fascists: The Christian Right and the War on America.”

    Source URL: http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20090202_its_not_going_to_be_ok/

  9. “Bin Laden wanted us to overreact and we did.” Does this make Bin Laden one of the most brilliant and influential men in all of history? Did he set things in motion to bring down the world’s greatest empire, or am I overreacting?

  10. Bin Laden has been dead since Dec 2003.

    I think you could call him a patsy.

  11. ” Does this make Bin Laden one of the most brilliant and influential men in all of history? Did he set things in motion to bring down the world’s greatest empire, or am I overreacting?
    no just over estimating the intelligence required to come to that conclusion.
    many people thought this when 9-11 happened except the homelanders were in no mood to listen

  12. Why not stand tall, and take a position, simply and straightforwardly. The truth is that the whole U.S. military complex does NOT serve America, let alone humanity. All the wars since at least WW2 have NOT been self defense, these have all been aggressions. The US has killed millions of innocent people in Korea, Vietnam, Iraq who never attacked America.

    Those people never attacked the U.S. So why did we kill them?

    The U.S. military as an institution will be judged by the character of its actions.

    90% of those people killed, were noncombatants. Children, elderly, bystanders. The US congress and pres. and the US military and their proxies, are institutions out of control. They are in an illegal status, violating laws and treaties. They are NOT defending the territory that is U.S. jurisdiction– they are committing mass murder abroad to promote the profits and privileges of a political elite in NY and WashDC.

    The large, and ever growing disparity in global income and wealth, along with the continuous pattern of U.S. military aggressions against other peoples for reasons other than self defense, are final evidence of the injustice of the U.S. empire. Full stop.

  13. [...] and not weakening. I agree. I just listened to this interview. You might find it interesting. Chalmers Johnson | Antiwar Radio with Scott Horton and Charles Goyette __________________ "No nation could preserve its freedom in the midst of continual [...]

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  15. Todd Boyle is so correct.

  16. In our youth we read Orwell…nowadays we live it.

  17. Well said Patrick. We are all Winstons these days.

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