Scott Horton Interviews Ray McGovern

Scott Horton, March 12, 2009

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Ray McGovern, former senior analyst at the CIA, discusses the ebb and flow of neoconservative influence in the White House, how the scuttled Charles Freeman appointment weakens U.S. leverage with Israel, the incredible influence still exerted by Steven J. Rosen despite his indictment under the Espionage Act, the shortcomings of the mainstream media and how the 2007 National Intelligence Estimate on Iran prevented a disastrous war.

MP3 here. (40:42)

Ray McGovern was a CIA analyst for 27 years, from the John F. Kennedy administration to that of George H. W. Bush. His articles appear on Consortium News and Antiwar.com.

8 Responses to “Ray McGovern”

  1. [...] by Editors on 13 March 2009 AntiWar Radio: Ray McGovern, former senior analyst at the CIA, discusses the ebb and flow of neoconservative [...]

  2. Dear Scott Horton,

    Great Interview!!!!

    It is too bad we do not hear Ray McGovern or Karen Kwiatokowski debunking the neocon lies on MSNBC or CNN at night. I will never become tired of lstening to the sober and needed analysis provided to us by Mr. McGovern and Karen Kwiatokowski.

    Frank Gaffney was on MSNBC’s “Hardball” with Chris Matthews on Thursday, March 12, 2009, still peddling the lies of an al-Qaeda-Iraq connection, in relation to the attacks of September 11, 2001. Gaffney was also peddling the neocon cannard of Laurie Mylorie that Saddam Hussein had a direct role in the OKC bombing as well. So, when I was listening to Ray McGovern, I kept thinking about the continued lies told by the likes of neocon Frank Gaffney and Bush sycophant, Ari Fleischer who was peddling the same Bush administration lies on MSNBC’s “Hardball” with Chris Matthews on Wendesday, March 11, 2009, in which Gaffney was there to defend against David Corn last night. Check out the tapes/trasncripts, of MSNBC’s “Hardball” with Chris Matthews shows.

    I thought I was in the Twiligjht Zone listening to Gaffney’s lies which is why I am so happy to have heard the real truth from Mr. McGovern on your radio program.

    Scott, I hope you will have Karen Kwiatokowski on sometime soon to discuss these dangerous neocons.

    Take care.

  3. watch the video: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7535755025025800195&ei

    This is beyond the “Twighlight Zone”… it is reality.

  4. After listening to this excellent interview one canot but wxonder if Rham Emanuel will be Obama’s Cheney. Is he running a behind the scenes shadow cabinet with shifting acolytes such as Schummer and others in the Israeli lobbies. If so will Obama one day say”, Even you, Brutus” or does he agree?
    I am torn between the idea of giving him more time as Mr. McGovern suggests and coming to the conclusion that his choice of collaborators and lack of clarity on civil rights is the real story.

  5. WOOOHOO! Thanks for the great interview. I’m a devoted student of Brother Ray.

    Robert Parry’s reporting burst my “America can do no wrong” bubble back in the 80s. And yet, like you, Scott, I too haven’t read all his books.

    How has this all happened? As a (non-matriculating) grad student of psychology, here’s what I see.

    I call it myth jacking. It’s a combination of comparative mythology and radical behaviorism. It’s the method behind the madness Joseph Campbell lectured at the Foreign Service Institute, beginning in 1956. If you’re familiar with “The Power of Myth,” that should send a chill up your spine. Look at the dramatic change in our foreign affairs after that!

    I’m convinced that someone, perhaps The Crazies, is using a warped “power of myth” to power weapons-grade domestic propaganda. Can you say, Message Force Multipliers?

    This is how I see it: just as McCarthy jacked America with threats of Commies under every bed, we got jacked into Iraq by myths of terrorists with WMDs; the McCain campaign tried to jack the election with scurrilous myths about Obama; Chas Freeman got jacked by the Israel lobby; and as the Stewart/Cramer debate has shown, so-called “news” organizations helped jack us into this economic Waste Land.

    Looks like a concerted effort to jack the nation.

    Ever since I read Confessions of an Economic Hit Man, I’ve been wondering: who are our EHMs today? Does it have anything to do with people who just can’t seem to fail big enough to get fired? How many consecutive mistakes can they make before admitting it’s the actual policy, aka disaster capitalism at its finest?

    What is our covert financial policy, and its attendant covert ops?

    Myths aren’t simple lies, they are metaphors, they are vessels. The myths of our day, that is, deliver us as a people into our Promised or Waste Land, exactly as we load them with our intentions. On second thought, a better image is of us in Mother Nature’s Waste Stream. Is the earth already voiding us?

    Myth-jacking: the state of the art in manuFRACTURing consent.

    As you may know, War is our way of being in the world. We confuse the dance of positive and negative, order and chaos, growth and decay, with a battle.

    I believe Philip Zelikow and PNAC said as much in their National Security Strategy for the United States, adopted by the Bush junta in 2002 as our official policy.

    Our new national motto is, Do as I say or we’ll make your life a living hell until you do, so help US god.

    And I’ll tell you why: we worship a thunder-hurling war god, the god of kinetic power, that’s why, whether we call him Allah, Indra, Yahweh, or Zeus or whatever. We model our “commander-in-chief” after the absolute tyrant-creator of the universe. And on down the chain of command.

    Look at prisons. Look at gated communities. Who are the inmates? For every inmate there must necessarily be an outmate.

    [[[Full-Spectrum Dominance / Our Common Weal///[[[{{{Dissent}}}]]]]]]

    See the castle walls? See the border patrol? See the de facto segregation?

    But our borders actually are regions of joining, not absolute division and antipathy.

    beloved/[{UNION}]/Beloved

    Just as the spaces between these words are unified in their common background, we, too, stand united. Our power comes from within, not without, as in the phrase “the people untied will never be defeated.”

    As you of course are well aware, Brother Scott, war doesn’t have to make sense, it just has to work. In this case, it just has to keep enriching the rich at the expense of the rest of us. That’s our Prime Directive.

    As the poet, Jon Stewart, said the other night, brimming with virtuous anger, “So what it feels like to us – and I’m talking purely as a layman – it feels like we are capitalizing your adventure by our pension and our hard earned money. And that it is a game that you know. That you know is going on. But that you go on television as a financial network and pretend isn’t happening.”

    Myth-jacking!

  6. Simple logic indicates that the US missile defense system in Eastern Europe is solely aimed at guarding the US mainland against a possible retaliatory missile attack, after the US has unleashed its devastating first strike capability on Russia.
    The US has for a long time been striving to achieve Nuclear Primacy over Russia and China. See the article by Keir Lieber and Daryl Press, “The Rise of US Nuclear Primacy”, in the 2006 March/April issue of Foreign Affairs. There the authors argue that the United States has achieved (or is just about to achieve) Nuclear Primacy, which would make the concept of mutual assured destruction obsolete by taking “mutual” out of it. The United States, the authors argue, is striving at the capability of destroying all – and they mean literally every single one – of Russian strategic launchers in a first counterforce attack.
    US first strike capability to decapitate Russia will be incomplete and insecure without its anti-missile defense components in Eastern Europe.
    According to former Trident missile engineer Bob Aldridge-www.plrc.org-the Pentagon aims to achieve a disarming, unanswerable first-strike capability. After a First Strike, missile defense in Poland will be very useful to shoot down any surviving missiles.
    The Russians may have no choice but implementing Launch On Warning.
    END OF STORY.
    By the way, why does Obama repeatedly say that Iran is pursuing nuclear weapons WITHOUT ANY EVIDENCE ? Is he mad ?

  7. Ray McGovern’s a good man. It’s always good to hear from him.

  8. Look at http://www.forworldpeace.info.

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