Jim Lobe

Obama, Netanyahu and the occupation


Jim Lobe, Washington Bureau Chief for Inter Press Service, discusses Hillary Clinton’s emphatic rejection of any kind of Israeli settlement growth, the Obama administration’s (first in a generation) hard-line on Israel, the low probability of a Palestine/Israel 2-state solution even with a settlement freeze and allegations that Netanyahu sees Iran as Amalek – eternal biblical persecutor of Jews.

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Jim Lobe is best known for his coverage of U.S. foreign policy, particularly the neo-conservative influence in the Bush administration. The Washington Bureau Chief of the international news agency Inter Press Service (IPS), Lobe has also written for Foreign Policy In Focus, Alternet, Tompaine.com, and was featured in BBC and ABC television documentaries about motivations for the US invasion of Iraq. His articles appear regularly on Antiwar.com.

Gareth Porter

Inventing enemies to justify wars


Gareth Porter, independent historian and journalist for Inter Press Service News Agency, discusses Stanley McChrystal’s role in extralegal assassinations and the Bagram prison torture program, Rumsfeld’s attempt to divert covert special operations from the somewhat accountable CIA to the Pentagon, the mixed messages in U.S. personnel and strategy changes in Afghanistan and how the U.S. continues to create enemies to justify staying in Iraq.

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Gareth Porter’s articles appear on the Huffington Post, Inter Press Service News Agency and on Antiwar.com.

Larisa Alexandrovna

How Cheney saved the nuke black market


Larisa Alexandrovna, managing investigative news editor for Rawstory.com, discusses the possible treason in Valerie Plame’s outing, the subsequent loss of CIA covert contacts with the A.Q. Kahn network (that may have supplied al-Qaeda with weapons), evidence of the U.S. scheming to start a war with Iran as early as December 2001 and what living in a police state really looks like.

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Larisa Alexandrovna is the managing investigative news editor for Rawstory.com.

Eric Margolis

Running a world empire ain’t easy


Eric Margolis, author of American Raj: Liberation or Domination, discusses the U.S. pressure behind Pakistan army attacks in the northwest tribal region, the exaggerated threat of global terrorism, British and U.S. efforts to thwart a European competitor to NATO and U.S. threats to Canada of a trade embargo if it didn’t contribute troops to Iraq or Afghanistan.

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Eric Margolis is a regular columnist with the Quebecor Media Company and a contributor to The Huffington Post. He is the author of War at the Top of the World: The Struggle for Afghanistan, Kashmir and Tibet.

Jonathan Hafetz

Barack Obama’s lawless police state


Jonathan Hafetz, staff attorney in the ACLU’s National Security Project, discusses Obama’s refusal to end military commissions, the U.S. government’s gaming of the courts to avoid an adverse Supreme Court ruling on indefinite detentions, some details on Ali Saleh Kahlah Al Marri’s military detention and the excessive deference given to presidential authority.

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Jonathan Hafetz is a staff attorney in the ACLU’s National Security Project and represented “enemy combatant” Ali Saleh Kahlah Al Marri, challenging the indefinite military detention of a lawful resident alien arrested in the United States.

Clive Hamilton

Bush’s religious war in Iraq?


Clive Hamilton, author of the article “Bush, God, Iraq and Gog” at Counterpunch.org, discusses G.W. Bush’s seemingly sincere desire to fight Iraqi and al-Qaeda incarnations of the biblical bogeymen Gog and Magog, the possibility that the U.S. does indeed fight religious wars and the increasingly diverse but still exclusive Skull and Bones society at Yale.

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Clive Hamilton is the former Executive Director of The Australia Institute and a visiting professor at Yale University.

Gordon Prather

How Bush Pushed North Korea to Nukes


Gordon Prather, former nuclear weapons physicist at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, discusses the Russian influenced history of N. Korea’s nuclear program, broken U.S. promises in the 1994 Agreed Framework, the Bush administration shutdown of diplomatic relations with N. Korea and the current NPT/IAEA-free environment that facilitated a N. Korean nuclear weapon test.

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Physicist James Gordon Prather has served as a policy implementing official for national security-related technical matters in the Federal Energy Agency, the Energy Research and Development Administration, the Department of Energy, the Office of the Secretary of Defense and the Department of the Army.

Jeff Frazee

The Young Americans for Liberty


Jeff Frazee, Executive Director of Young Americans for Liberty, discusses his attempt to build an inclusive youth organization that produces politicians in the mold of Ron Paul, the importance of a political education based on liberty and individual rights and how the Right is ripe for a revival of limited government and antiwar ideals.

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Jeff Frazee was the national youth coordinator for Ron Paul’s 2008 presidential campaign.

David Bromwich

Obama, Netanyahu and the New York Times


David Bromwich, professor of literature at Yale University, discusses Edmund Burke’s warnings on excessive concentrations of power, misleading coverage of the Obama/Netanyahu conference in which the New York Times exaggerated Obama’s hawkishness on Iran and the administration’s position on a Palestinian state.

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David Bromwich teaches literature at Yale. He has written on politics and culture for The New Republic, The Nation, The New York Review of Books, and other magazines. He is editor of Edmund Burke’s selected writings On Empire, Liberty, and Reform and co-editor of the Yale University Press edition of On Liberty.

David Rose

The torture of a man, death of a million


David Rose, contributing editor for Vanity Fair, discusses the torture case of Binyam Mohamed, why the over-the-top U.S. threats to the UK over torture documents in his case may be at the request of the British government, the “007” agent that exposes British claims of ignorance about torture as lies and the story behind the U.S. rejection of a 2004 reconciliation with Iraq’s Sunni leaders which led to the deaths of a million people.

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David Rose is the author of Guantánamo: The War on Human Rights and is a special-investigations writer for the U.K.’s Mail on Sunday.

Jeremy Scahill

Sadism still rules at Guantanamo


Independent journalist Jeremy Scahill discusses the continuous 18 year history of the U.S. bombing of Iraq, the Guantanamo Immediate Reaction Force (IRF) that brutalizes prisoners and even a U.S. soldier, Obama’s failure to improve detention facilities and how the Spanish Guantanamo torture investigation is proceeding apace while the U.S. dawdles.

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Jeremy Scahill is the author of Blackwater: The Rise of the World’s Most Powerful Mercenary Army. He is a frequent contributor to The Nation magazine, Antiwar.com and more than a dozen other outlets including the national radio and TV program Democracy Now!

Chalmers Johnson

Tracking the Fall of the Empire


Chalmers Johnson, author of the indispensable Blowback trilogy, discusses the evolution of his view of the Cold War and American empire since the fall of the Soviet Union, the inevitable collapse of the U.S. dollar and world empire, Obama’s LBJ guns and butter trap, the kicking-out of the empire by the people of Latin America, the danger of further intervention in Pakistan, the ongoing rape of Okinawa and America’s relationship with Russia.

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Chalmers Johnson is the author of Blowback: The Costs and Consequences of American Empire, The Sorrows of Empire: Militarism, Secrecy, and the End of the Republic and Nemesis: The Last Days of the American Republic.

Daphne Eviatar

Bringing the imperial law home


Lawyer and freelance journalist Daphne Eviatar discusses Obama’s plan to keep Bush’s Military Commissions Act powers over the American people and bring the Guantanamo legal system to the U.S. and the recent Supreme Court ruling

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Daphne Eviatar is a whose work has appeared in the New York Times, The Nation, Legal Affairs, Mother Jones, the Washington Independent and many others. She is a Senior Reporter at The American Lawyer and was an Alicia Patterson Foundation fellow in 2005 and a Pew International Journalism fellow in 2002.

Jeff Riggenbach

The history of US revisionist history


Jeff Riggenbach, author of Why American History Is Not What They Say: An Introduction to Revisionism, discusses the role of Charles Beard and Harry Elmer Barnes in advancing revisionist U.S. history, court historians who fight to preserve a mythology of benevolent government actions, drastic changes in the meaning of politically descriptive terms like “liberal” and “conservative” and moving away from a war/presidential perspective of history to a focus on economic/social science issues.

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Jeff Riggenbach is a member of the Organization of American Historians and a Senior Fellow of the Randolph Bourne Institute. His articles and reviews have appeared in The New York Times, USA Today, the Los Angeles Times, the Chicago Tribune, the San Francisco Chronicle, the Washington Times, Reason, Inquiry, and Liberty, among other publications.

Rand Paul

Another Paul in Congress?


Rand Paul, son of Rep. Ron Paul and 2010 Senatorial candidate, discusses the war in Afghanistan, reducing corruption by making lobbying and bidding on government contracts mutually exclusive, the excess federal authority derived from the commerce clause, prosecutions of Bush administration officials for war crimes and the need for withdrawal from Iraq.

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Rand Paul has launched an exploratory committee for the 2010 U.S. Senate election, in which he would run as a Kentucky Republican.

Scott Ritter

Nuclear disarmament is not a pipe dream


Former UN weapons inspector Scott Ritter discusses the newly assertive U.S. role in relations with Israel, how ending nationalism-inspiring threats against Iran will allow a moderate government to take hold, Israel’s inability to destroy Iran’s nuclear facilities without U.S. help, how missile defense provokes nuclear proliferation and why nuclear weapons can and should be abandoned in our lifetimes.

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Scott Ritter is a former Marine Corps intelligence officer and a United Nations weapons inspector in Iraq. He is the author of numerous books, including Waging Peace: The Art of War for the Antiwar Movement and Target Iran: The Truth About the White House’s Plans for Regime Change.

Kelley B. Vlahos

Repeating the Iraq disaster in Afghanistan


Kelley B. Vlahos, longtime political reporter for FoxNews.com, discusses her controversial article “Gian Gentile: Exposing Counterfeit COIN,” the enduring myth of the Petraeus “surge” success story, the re-emergence of a counterinsurgency cult devoted to the clear-build-hold doctrine and the prominent role the neoliberal CNAS plays in the Obama administration.

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Kelley Beaucar Vlahos, a Washington, D.C.-based freelance writer, is a longtime political reporter for FoxNews.com, a contributing editor at The American Conservative magazine and featured Antiwar.com columnist.

Scott Horton

There must (won’t) be a torture investigation


The Other Scott Horton, international human rights lawyer, professor and contributing editor at Harper’s magazine, discusses the Senate Judiciary Committee’s hearings on torture memos, the blatant U.S. coverup and blackmail attempt to prevent Britain from releasing information on Binyam Mohamed’s torture, the too-convenient suicide of 9/11 conspirator Al-Libi and how the argument for an independent torture investigation keeps getting stronger.

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The Other Scott Horton (no relation) is a New York attorney known for his work in emerging markets and international law, especially human rights law and the law of armed conflict. He is a contributing editor at Harper’s magazine and writes the blog No Comment.

Tom Hayden

Assassin McChrystal now running Afghan war


Former California State Senator Tom Hayden discusses the newest wave of think-tanks competing for influence in the White House, the U.S. trend of fighting generational “long wars” instead of short decisive conflicts, the increased secrecy and ruthlessness Gen. McChrystal will surely bring to AfPak and how special operations forces use PR to maintain public support while behaving badly abroad.

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Senator Tom Hayden, the Nation Institute’s Carey McWilliams Fellow, has played an active role in American politics and history for over three decades, beginning with the student, civil rights and antiwar movements of the 1960s.

Mark Ames

Georgia’s collapse and PR blitz


Mark Ames, journalist for The Nation and eXiled Online, discusses recent history leading up to the current mess in former Soviet Georgia, Mikheil Saakashvili’s downward spiral, the broken Georgian economy, rumors that U.S. advisers participated to some extent in Georgia’s invastion of S. Ossetia last summer, Georgia’s relationship with Israel and America’s relationship with Russia.

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Mark Ames is the author of Going Postal: Rage, Murder and Rebellion From Reagan’s Workplaces to Clinton’s Columbine and Beyond (Soft Skull) and The eXile: Sex, Drugs and Libel in the New Russia (Grove). He is a regular contributor to eXiled Online and The Nation magazine.

Jeff Sharlet

Fight for Jesus, damn the Constitution


Jeff Sharlet, author of the article “Jesus killed Mohammed: The crusade for a Christian military,” discusses the widespread Christian fundamentalist evangelism among U.S. military officers, how a soldier’s perception of a war on Islam in Iraq trumps politically correct Bush and Obama administration rhetoric, the process behind the influx of intolerant evangelical military chaplains and Christianity’s usurpation of the Constitution at premier military academies.

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Jeff Sharlet is a contributing editor of Harper’s Magazine and the author of The Family: The Secret Fundamentalism at the Heart of American Power.

Mark Manning

Open communication makes peace possible


Documentary filmmaker Mark Manning discusses his film The Road to Fallujah, the events leading up to the 2004 murders of Blackwater contract employees in Fallujah, the terrible toll collective punishment takes on civilians and how open dialogue makes peace possible.

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Mark Manning is currently involved in multiple film projects that intend to connect people to their common humanity, bridge divides and find common ground by factual and truth based presentations of issues. He is currently in two joint productions with Iraqi filmmakers, in development on a feature film, and is in post-production on a feature documentary that takes an in-depth introspective look at the American culture and people in a post-911 environment.

Jacob Hornberger

Give up your empire or live under it


Jacob Hornberger, founder and president of the Future of Freedom Foundation, discusses the legal maneuvers that prevented a Supreme Court ruling on enemy combatants, the difference between regular and extraordinary rendition, how the U.S. asserts the right to detain anyone in the world indefinitely and how the mission of the CIA is incompatible with a free society.

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Jacob Hornberger is a former attorney, the founder and president of The Future of Freedom Foundation and blogs at FFF.org.

Eric Margolis

US imperialism breeds revolution in Pakistan


Eric Margolis, author of American Raj: Liberation or Domination, discusses the many internal factions rebelling against the Pakistani government, Hillary Clinton’s unfounded fears of a Taliban takeover of Pakistan, the geography and significance of Pakistan’s provinces and how the U.S. risks creating more events akin to the Iranian Revolution.

MP3 here. (29:40)

Eric Margolis is a regular columnist with the Quebecor Media Company and a contributor to The Huffington Post. He is the author of War at the Top of the World: The Struggle for Afghanistan, Kashmir and Tibet.

Sibel Edmonds

Free speech for spys, gag orders for Sibel


Sibel Edmonds, founder of the National Security Whistleblowers Coalition, discusses the hypocrisy of free speech invocations in defense of Rosen/Weissman while whistle-blowers endure gag orders, the numerous cover-ups of unspecified Congressional misdeeds caught on wiretaps, the dedication of rank-and-file FBI agents to investigate crimes despite political implications and how she is ready to tell her story to a publisher willing to fight government censorship.

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Sibel Edmonds is a former FBI-contract language specialist turned whistleblower against government incompetence and corruption. The ACLU has described her as the most gagged person in U.S. history.

Transcript via Luke Ryland.

Scott Horton: I’m so excited to bring Sibel Edmonds back to the show. The precedent has been set, Sibel, you can tell me everything as long as you tell the Israeli embassy too. Go ahead!

Sibel Edmonds: (laughs) How are you Scott? Good to be on your show.

SH: I’m doing great. Welcome to the show. For people who don’t know, Sibel Edmonds was a translator for the FBI, a contractor after September 11. Fluent in a few different languages there from the old world, and uncovered a bunch of scandals and corruption and got booted out and is founder of the National Security Whistleblowers Coalition. Her website is JustACitizen.com. She is, according to the ACLU, the most gagged person in American history.

The government has invoked the State Secrets Privilege to prevent her from telling us about all of the criminality that she learned about when working for the FBI, on penalty of prison. So, I kind of mean that, though. Steven Rosen gave classified information that he got from a Pentagon employee to the Israeli Embassy, and also to some journalists, and everybody hailed the charges being dropped against this spy because he gave it to some journalists too, so it became a First Amendment case.

I don’t think I have an official press pass, but it seems like as long as you write a letter to the Israeli Embassy explaining all that you know Sibel, you ought to be in the free and clear now, am I confused?

SE: No, I think that you’re right, and it did set a precedent here.

SH: So let’s do it! Tell us all the things that you’ve been banned from saying all this time. It will be the biggest Antiwar Radio scoop ever.

SE: (Laughs) Scott, as you know, I just wrote a piece about this, and this was after, really sitting and simmering for a while after the case with Harman in Congress broke. And it was not only for the reasons such as my own personal case with the State Secrets Privilege etc, but what really got me extremely upset was the fact that in 2005 and 2006, my organization took several whistleblowers from the NSA and the Justice Department to certain offices in Congress including Harman’s office and Pelosi’s office, and now we are sitting here, feeling like fools.

SH: And you’ve argued all along from what you have been able to tell us that you kind of see all these different scandals tying together, as different layers of the same onion – seemingly from my perspective, all kind of going back to the Vice President’s office of the previous administration, and the network of neocons that Larry Wilkerson calls the ‘Cheney Cabal.’ Do you think that is about the right estimation?

SE: Well, one of the things that we’ve heard a lot was that getting this network and boiling it down into the five, six, seven faces of neocons – and I think that was one of the biggest mistakes we did commit, and we’re still committing it. A lot of people are still doing that.

Again, I’m going to go back to this case with Harman. As soon as this piece came out on Harman, you heard so many people, and even the so-called progressive Democrats really screaming and saying that this is blackmail, and actually they ended up turning Harman into a victim.

SH: It really was incredible to see too, especially when… I don’t know, I understand how people’s political biases are, and they have a congresswoman that they like, and they see the evil, lurking, menacing, Gestapo-figure like Porter Goss involved and they want to figure out a way to use that fact, but Jeff Stein debunked all that immediately on his blog. He said ‘No. Goss’s only role in this was, he had to do his job under the protocol and inform congress, and then Gonzales stopped him. That’s it. He’s not the origin of this investigation. He didn’t sic the FBI and the CIA onto Jane Harman. It’s ridiculous.’

SE: Correct. And I want to emphasize one thing that you said, you said that the congressmen and women that they like, well let’s take a look at this Congress-woman’s record…

SH: I guess I shouldn’t put those words in their mouths either, because what’s to like about Jane Harman, really?

SE: But there was also a lot of confusion, or pretense of confusion, about whether this was an NSA tap, was she being tapped. And that is another issue that, if we have time today, I would like to explain, because while I was working with the FBI, I did exactly that.

Most of my translation work involved FISA on foreign entities here in the US, and yes, in several cases we did come across cases where we ended up with US persons getting involved with either espionage or criminal conduct, and therefore the procedure that was followed in some cases, to go after those US persons, not under FISA, but under separate procedures.

And it was mind-boggling to see that even a lot of journalists out there don’t seem to understand the process, yet going and writing about this case and convoluting it, and making it a case that was not presented by Jeff Stein.

SH: Well, you know, you talked before about the FBI agents who were serious about doing their job, and how the bosses just will never let them do it, and that kind of thing, and I actually read something by Steven Rosen, who recently had the charges of espionage dropped, and he identified what, of course he called an anti-semitic group of terrible conspiracy theorists inside the Justice Department who were persecuting him…

SE: (laughs)

SH: … but I kind of agree with him that, or I think, that there really is a group of counter-intelligence agents in the FBI who are serious about looking into this kind of criminality, no matter who it is even if it is people connected to the Israeli Lobby. Is that basically right?

SE: Absolutely. Absolutely. As for the agents who are doing their job 100% – I did not come across (and since NSWBC has been in place) I have not had a single case where the agents went about covering up a case, or going after a certain target for either certain political reasons, or personal beliefs. Absolutely.

But it’s a different story when you’re talking about the Department of Justice. And again, if we have time I want to give an example of how the process takes place from FISA to the US persons, to the criminal investigations / counter-espionage investigations.

SH: Please, go ahead.

SE: OK. So, what you have is, basically, you have under FISA – and for each country, for each language, for each target, you have a separate FISA obtained, and you have a separate division in the FBI, most of them, almost all of them, in the FBI’s Washington Field Office, OK. So let’s say, and I’m going to give you an example with my case, you are targeting under FISA, which is legal, certain diplomatic entities, whether they are Embassy people, or Consulate, or related, relevant, OK. So you have this pipeline that brings in all the information, all the communications that is coming to or going from this target, this organization, this entity.

SH: OK now, let me clarify my understanding here. You’re talking about a warrant under FISA but it is still a Foreign Intelligence Surveillance warrant which means it is not the same standard of evidence – probable cause – that is necessary for the government to legally tap an American. It is a lower standard of evidence, I guess ‘reasonable suspicion’ or some such, that the person being tapped is an agent of a foreign power, or a terrorist group, but then that brings up the conflict between whether any evidence obtained accidentally that way – like you’re tapping an Israeli spy and you accidentally find an American congresswoman being bribed – then there’s the whole difficulty of turning that over into a criminal investigation separate from an intelligence investigation.

SE: Absolutely. So let’s say with the diplomatic community, the Justice Department doesn’t even have to have any reason to get that warrant. I can tell you that except for one country, every single country – that includes all the European countries – diplomatic entities are being monitored, OK. That’s a known fact – nobody wants to admit to it, but it’s a known fact. You have French translators there, you have German translators there, for German language – so those are given. OK, every single diplomatic establishment is going through this FISA, and the first person who gets all this information daily is the language specialist.

A lot of people think the FBI agents get the information, and when it needs translation, he gives it to a translator. This is not the case. It is the opposite. Before it goes to the agent, a language specialist goes through it, because this is a foreign target under FISA, and it assumes that the communication is going to be mainly in that foreign language. So you as a language specialist get all this stuff, but of course thirty, forty, or even up to 50% of this communication ends up being in English, because the diplomatic target – let’s say someone in the Israeli embassy, and that Israeli embassy has for example forty phone lines – all of them, let’s say, are being monitored.

So you’re going through that communication, and as you’re going through that, well, a lot of these phone calls go to a US person, or from a US person, and it is in English. So the language specialist at this point has to stamp them as ‘English only’ and if it is pertinent, meaning, if it has to do with espionage, or receiving money, then has to mark it as ‘extremely pertinent’ and immediately forward it to the FBI agent.

So what happens in this case, as you’re doing that, let’s say you have a congressional member who is making or receiving a phone call from this diplomatic foreign entity that is being monitored, and the language specialist is listening, and the conversation is in English, and marks it as English, but it is important because they are discussing either giving certain money to this person, or the US person is going to give certain documents or information to this foreign entity, this is considered pertinent. At this point the language specialist says ‘This is English. It is pertinent.’ and because a certain operation is going to take place – let’s say, receiving the money, or receiving the information, and therefore it may call for surveillance, meaning physical surveillance, let’s say that this receiving of the money is going to take place the next day, so the agents have to get into their van, go and make sure that this transaction actually took place. So the translator has to go right away and inform the agents, telling them ‘By the way, we received this information etc etc’ Now, once you start collecting evidence or stuff like this from a congressional person or other types of US persons, or at the State Department or the Pentagon etc, now the agents start putting this evidence together. Here the ‘target’ is foreign, it is still under FISA, there is still no wiretap on that congressperson, or that US person.

Once the agent believes he or she has enough to expose it – there are so many cases, including the surveillance proving that the transaction took place – the agents write the report (and these are the agents from counterintelligence under FISA), submit it to the FBI headquarters, and says ‘We need to get direct wiretaps on this US person because here is the evidence, and they have been involved in this and this and this, and here are all the transactions, and all the communications whether on the espionage front or the corruption front.’ The FBI headquarters takes this information, gives it the Justice Department. The Justice Department attorneys, and the head of Justice Department at that point sit and look at this information, and they have a choice: either go to court, show the evidence to a specific judge, and get warrants, not under FISA – either under criminal or counter-espionage – to directly wiretap the US person, or not to do anything. Now, it is at this stage that certain things become political. Let’s say you are looking at 1999, and you’re looking at several people in Congress, let’s say people such as Hastert, and people at the State Department…

SH: Let me just interject here real quick. “Such as Hastert” who you can read about in David Rose’s article in Vanity Fair concerning your case called An Inconvenient Patriot.

SE: Correct.

SH: I don’t want that to just be out in the air as though there’s nothing really behind it or anything.

SE: OK – I hope you can provide the link to the last piece that I wrote. But in this case, the head of the Justice Department, the Attorney General, at this point, when he gets the evidence from the agents, looks at this information and says ‘Ooh la la! I need to inform my boss, the President in the White House, and the President’s advisors because this is getting dicey.’ Because it is not Iran or Syria we are talking about. Let’s say we are talking about Turkey, an important ally, or Pakistan, or Israel.

And some of these US persons, or the US persons are the ones that they collected this evidence on happen to be one of us. So he’s not going to put himself in this really horrible position by doing his job and going to court and get it, allowing that. At this point the briefing occurs: the Justice Department either briefs certain people in the State Department, or the White House, saying ‘Oh man, look, we got this! Our agents got this, and we are now in this position.’ So, in some cases, they never go to the court to obtain the warrant to go and wiretap the person, and this has been the case many, many, many, many times. It is not only recently.

It has been the case a lot for political reasons, for the partisan reasons, for what they consider “sensitive diplomatic relations” reasons. And in some cases, in some cases, if the evidence is really, really, really bad for the US person, and if some of the agents in the FBI headquarters are feeling very, very strong about it, like you’re seeing in this AIPAC case, they finally say “OK. We are going to get the warrant and go after the US person.” The original target was, let’s say, the Israeli Embassy, not AIPAC initially, but the Israeli Embassy, and we’re looking at even mid-to-late 1990s, moving into AIPAC, and then from AIPAC with this evidence in early 2000, having the warrant to actually go and pursue the US persons.

SH: Right, and that’s how they came across Larry Franklin.

SE: Correct.

SH: And the New York Times is reporting, late last week, they said that the FBI agents, the career, gum-shoe cops, they’re still very angry. They thought they had a real case against Rosen and Weissman, and can’t understand why it was taken out from under them like that.

SE: Of course they did. And this is exactly the point I tried to make in this piece, because you have certain wanna-be journalists in the blogosphere taking this and giving this a conspiracy flavor, saying that the timing of this has to do with Goss, and getting back at Harman, and these agents have some other motives and agendas. I’ll tell you what their agenda was – they did their job, and they knew this case was going to be dropped, it was dropped two weeks after the CQ article but they knew it was going to be dropped months before this, at least one and a half months before this. So this was in desperation to say “This is wrong! We are letting the criminals go, these US persons who have been committing crimes against the US national interest.” So they did talk to this journalist, it doesn’t go to some conspiracy, motive, that some of these wanna-be journalists in the blogosphere are trying to make.

SH: So, this is a case that people have heard of, maybe at least – they can go read Justin Raimondo all about it – but the Dennis Hastert thing, this is something that is very opaque, it was reported in the one Vanity Fair article and picked up by basically nobody in the mainstream press…

SE: No-one. Absolutely no-one.

SH: And the Times of London did a three piece special on some of the things, but I think for the most part people… well, you’re referring to investigations that fall apart before they ever start, but that go on all the time, that include the most powerful people. You’ve often referred to high level people in the State Department and the Defense Department, you’re talking about all these congress-people being on the make. I mean, tell the American people, what did you overhear, Sibel. What is it that you know?

SE: Let’s take one name that has been public, because just my case alone involves several people in congress, we are looking about six or seven people just in congress, elected officials. It involves several people in the State Department and several people in the Pentagon. Now as for the congress, Dennis Hastert’s name happened to come out because it was one of the main cases…

SH: That’s the  former Speaker of the House of Representatives

SE: Correct. And just, as you mentioned, no-one covered this story. No real denial came from Hastert’s office, or Hastert’s attorney. If it were me, if I was innocent, I would be going after Vanity Fair, I would do everything to clear my name. They didn’t, so they were vindicated. Not only that, only about a month ago, we get this press release that Hastert is now officially working for the Lobby that represents Turkey, and is officially announced that he is getting $35,000 per month, registered under the Foreign Agents Registration Act, receiving $35,000 per month from Turkey.

If this is not a vindication, if no denial was not a vindication, if the fact that the 2006 Inspector General report was not a vindication, and if some testimony from congressional members such as Grassley and Leahy is not vindication, then I don’t know what is. The mainstream media reported Hastert’s newly acquired job, the former Speaker of the House now works for the government of Turkey – and there is no tie-in saying ‘Three years ago, this and this and this and this was made known to the American people.’

SH: Right, anybody can listen to Daniel Ellsberg on this show or on Democracy Now explaining briefcases full of cash money being delivered to the Speaker of the House to thwart a resolution of no matter what description…

SE: There were a lot of different types of things that Hastert fulfilled for foreign entities. That was one of them. But what does it take for a congressman or woman to guarantee that kind of money – like $35,000 per month – from a foreign government when he leaves his or her job in congress? It doesn’t happen overnight after you leave congress. You need to do what you have to do, serving those people’s interest – even if it involves certain illegal interests – and that goes into your IOU column, and then you get out, and you get officially paid. While you’re in congress, you get unofficially reimbursed for some of these things that you’re doing, and that is through the campaign contributions etc, but the real payback comes when you finish and get out. Now, Hastert was exposed in 2005, and he is bold enough – because he sees himself, and doing this, so untouchable that he felt so bold to get this job, and in fact publicly announced it – that he can look us in the eye and say ‘What are you going to do about it?’ And that is the question, Scott – What do you do about it?

SH: I don’t know. I just do a little radio show, it’s the best idea I can come up with, and it doesn’t do any good. Let me ask you this, and I mean this in all seriousness. Now that the Rosen and Weissman case has been dropped, that really is a blow to the underhanded policy of, you know, the back-door Official Secrets Act that we have in this country known as the court-invented State Secrets Privilege, can you not get with your ACLU lawyers and just sit down and write a book and tell us every single incriminating thing you learned, classified or otherwise to whatever degree, and damn-the-consequences and bring-it-on? Come on, Sibel.

SE: Scott, believe me or not, I would do that whether the question of can-you-or can’t-you is answered or not. But you’ve got to find one organization, and find one mainstream media, and that includes a publishing house, who is willing to do it. Just find one for me and I tell you what, I’m going on the record right now here, I will do it.

SH: All I’ve got to do is find you a publishing house? I mean, that doesn’t seem impossible.

SE: Well, it’s not only a publishing house, because what happens is, regardless of the State Secrets Privilege, all these people who have worked for the FBI, anyone, the agents, the attorneys, the language specialists, as part of getting that job, you sign documents saying that in the future, if you ever write anything, whether there is the State Secrets Privilege or classification, you have to submit your work for pre-publication review.

I need to do that, OK, I have already gone through several law firms and said ‘Here it is, and they looked at it and said ‘Even the most innocent stuff there, you are facing 60-70% of this manuscript – which is ready! It has been ready for quite a while – which will be blacked out. Now once you get the blacked out version not a single person will publish it. What are you going to publish?’ Look at my Inspector General report – 90% of it is blacked out. Nobody is going to publish a blacked-out book! Then, you are in this position of going to court, and start fighting, line-by-line, everything that has been blacked out, saying this was not correct, this is not truly classification, and challenging it.

That’s why I’m telling you, find any organization that would be willing to represent this because they look at me and say ‘Sibel, this is impossible. Especially with your case, this is impossible. It is a fight that you won’t win.’

And I’m going to remind you: I have got so many emails from the people, in fact I started getting these before the election, saying, “Just wait, if we have Obama as president…” or “Now that Obama is president, you should be able to do this and that” and we need to remind people – not your listeners, because they already know – but the State Secrets Privilege not only has not been eliminated, it has been expanded under the new Obama administration.

SH: Right.

SE: And you saw what they did with the NSA warrantless wiretapping case. And now you see it was Obama’s Justice Department that made the final decision dropping the AIPAC espionage case.

SH: Well, let me ask you this, was there not classified material, things that you weren’t supposed to say but you did anyway in the series for the Times of London?

SE: With the UK, the London piece, you’re looking at a piece that was written not only based on a conversation, an interview, with me, but with several other people, and those people they still want to remain anonymous because obviously things have not changed. Because, no matter what, even with the Vanity Fair article, in fact, their legal department, their lawyers, instead of their usual requirement of three sources, they said to David Rose ‘You need to have minimum of five sources’ because of the kind of case it is, the State Secrets Privilege. So he had to have a minimum of five sources, and instead of once double-checking, they did the triple double-checking, and each double-checking occurred under a different department because they wanted to make sure that they were protected, both against the government, and also against libel. So that piece came out not only based on Sibel Edmonds providing some information, it was done via five sources, and triple-fact-checking, and obviously nobody dared go after them. How could they?

SH: Well, as much of the story as we know, there sure seems like a hell of a lot, and I know there are real good reporters in this country, not an over-abundance of them, but there are really good journalists, and I don’t know why this whole story hasn’t been broken wide-open yet, and I don’t know what it would take to get the modern day Johnny Cochrane to represent you to actually get this thing done, but I sure wish you the best of luck, and you’re welcome to come back on the show and keep us updated with the story any time, Sibel.

SE: Thank you Scott. It is always a pleasure to be on your show.

SH: That is Sibel Edmonds everybody. The website is JustACitizen.com. Former FBI translator, whistleblower, founder of NSWBC.

David Bromwich

How Israel avoids the obvious Palestinian solution


David Bromwich, professor of literature at Yale University, discusses the standard Israeli practice of making incongruous conditional demands to avoid serious discussion of a Palestinian state, the propaganda and fundraising boon Ahmadinejad has been to AIPAC, the radicalizing effect recent Russian immigrants have had on Israeli politics and how the Iranian nuclear scaremongering may be designed for American consumption.

MP3 here. (40:15)

David Bromwich teaches literature at Yale. He has written on politics and culture for The New Republic, The Nation, The New York Review of Books, and other magazines. He is editor of Edmund Burke’s selected writings On Empire, Liberty, and Reform and co-editor of the Yale University Press edition of On Liberty.

Andy Worthington

Prosecute 9/11 terrorists in criminal court


Andy Worthington, author of The Guantanamo Files, discusses the necessity of prosecuting the handful of real 9-11 conspirators even though they were tortured, the unsupported claim that numerous released Guantanamo prisoners “returned to the battlefield,” the ill-advised revival of Cheney/Addington military commissions and how the U.S. Bagram air base remains outside the scope of Obama’s “reforms.”

MP3 here. (26:16)

Andy Worthington writes for Counterpunch, the Future of Freedom Foundation and Antiwar.com.

Marjorie Cohn

US law mandates war crimes prosecutions


Marjorie Cohn, president of the National Lawyers Guild, discusses the illegality of the U.S. wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, the use of torture to extract false confessions linking Saddam Hussein and al-Qaeda, the embarrassment of Spain investigating U.S. war crimes while Obama sidesteps the issue and Condi Rice’s comeuppance at Stanford.

MP3 here. (23:39)

Marjorie Cohn is president of the National Lawyers Guild and a professor at Thomas Jefferson School of Law. She is the author of Cowboy Republic: Six Ways the Bush Gang Has Defied the Law and Rules of Disengagement: The Politics and Honor of Military Dissent.

Greg Mitchell

Media’s mission accomplished, bodies everywhere


Greg Mitchell, editor of Editor and Publisher, discusses the sixth year anniversary of Bush’s “Mission Accomplished” stunt, the spread of revisionist history claiming that everyone was for the Iraq war when it started, the abject failure of mainstream media on the biggest issues of the day and how online resources are challenging traditional media’s stranglehold on the truth.

MP3 here. (27:32)

Greg Mitchell is the author of So Wrong for So Long: How the Press, the Pundits–and the President–Failed on Iraq and Why Obama Won: The Making of a President 2008. His article looking back at the media coverage of “Mission Accomplished” is on Editor and Publisher.