Scott Horton Interviews Ray McGovern

Scott Horton, August 28, 2009

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Ray McGovern, retired CIA senior analyst, discusses his confidence that a torture investigation will reach the highest levels of government, the inadequate public outrage that allows Obama to ignore Bush administration crimes, the DOJ memos that brushed aside legal protections against torture and the severe criminal penalties in the 1996 War Crimes Act.

MP3 here. (37:16)

Ray McGovern was a CIA analyst for 27 years, from the John F. Kennedy administration to that of George H. W. Bush. His articles appear on Consortium News and Antiwar.com.

22 Responses to “Ray McGovern”

  1. Interesting interview. Now read Pat Buchannan's latest column. It was very disappointing in that it seemed to parrot all of Bush's boilerplate. Pat has been a guest of yours, Scott. What do you make of all this?

  2. "inadequate public outrage" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ???????????????? !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    I think this is terribly a misrepresentation. Perhaps, though, there's been *inadequate response* to elements of public outrage. Or inadequate exposition of details (regarding torture and black programs) TO the public. What Ray McGovern may see as obvious is NOT *even presented* to the public – as obviously. He's said himself that the media missed the boat on Iraq and, I would add, 9/11/01's unanswered questions. That Report was a narrative alright; no mention of Saudi intelligence at all, possible Global Hawk drone at the Pentagon.

    Don't fault 'the public' for being unresponsive. There's nothing to respond to in the wide public domain, besides BS.

  3. [...] Put Dick Cheney in the Dock Ray McGovern interviewed by Scott Horton [...]

  4. To paraphrase George HW Bush, "If only people knew what we really do, they would hang us from the nearest lampost." Most Americans understand that we were stampeded into Iraq by the media and government fear mongering. For example,most Americans the do not know that the Bush administration advised Pakistan during the Summer of 2001, (months prior to 9/11 attack on the US), at a conference on Afghanistan held in Berlin under the auspices of the UN, that they would be "attacking Afghanistan before the snow flies in October."
    The then Pakistani Secretary Niaz Niak told this to BBCs Richard Arney. He advised that "regime change was the goal." The underlying motive was Taliban giving the boot to UNOCAL an American/Saudi consortium and the subsequent favoring of Bridas, an Argentine oil developer to build the proposed pipeline from Turkmenistan to Gwadar, Pakistan on the Arabian Sea.

    This story never made it in the US media.
    It was at this conference in Berlin in 2001 that American officials told the Taliban that "you either accept our carpet of gold or we will bury you in a carpet of bombs." For those uncomfortable with the truth, I respectfully submit that all of this information is easily verified to any with an open mind and a computer.

  5. I agree that there is enough evidence out there in the "public domain" to illicit mass public outrage if people took the time to examine and digest it. I agree because I have seen nothing but the publically available evidence and I am outraged by it.

    There is plenty of damnable evidence out there to "respond to" but you have to LOOK for it. Most people don't want to look for the truth, they want the "truth", or someone else's version of it, presented to them by some news anchor. The media, bad as it may be, can't be held responsible for that.

  6. Well…Once again Ray….you have knocked the ball RIGHT OUTTA the PARK…… I liked the Watergate analogy…..& …as you said…..dead bodies…and…the war crimes section of Title 18, ss 2441 can produce a potent incentive to shift the responsibility …..ANYWHERE ELSE….!!!!!!

    "Whoever, whether inside or outside the United States, commits a war crime, in any of the circumstances described in subsection (b), shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for life or any term of years, or both, and if death results to the victim, shall also be subject to the penalty of death."

    "Whoever, whether inside or outside the United States, commits a war crime, in any of the circumstances described in subsection (b), shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for life or any term of years, or both, and if death results to the victim, shall also be subject to the penalty of death."

    Time will tell if those who inflicted the pain and ordered it are as tough as these laws of OUR USA..

    I'm sure the torturers sleep badly these days knowing Ray McGovern is out there hammering away..!!

  7. According to former Trident missile engineer Bob Aldridge-http://www.plrc.org-the Pentagon aims to achieve a disarming and unanswerable first-strike capability. And according to Bob Aldridge the US Navy can track and destroy all enemy submarines simultaneously. Minuteman-3 and Trident-2 D5 obtain a CEP of 30-40 metres, enough to destroy any hard target. Please see the article by Keir Lieber and Daryl Press, "The Rise of US Nuclear Primacy" in the 2006 March/April issue of Foreign Affairs. A First-Strike Capability won´t be complete without the missiles in Poland to shoot down any surviving Russian missiles. Even if it´s only for blackmail, the Russians may have no choice but implementing Launch On Warning. Bob Aldridge resigned because a disarming and unanswerable first-strike capability is suicidal.

  8. This wouldn't post in first part above…

    Warren Richey

    Disclosures that the Central Intelligence Agency destroyed videotapes of the interrogation of Al Qaeda suspects has opened a new front in the debate over the alleged use of torture in the war on terror.

    Both the Justice Department and the CIA have begun initial inquiries into the matter following concerns by members of Congress that the tapes were destroyed in 2005. That was after they and some administration officials urged that the tapes be preserved.
    http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/1210/p03s03-usju.ht

    Are you getting it..?? Or do I need to go on…&…on…&…on…&…on..??

  9. Thank you , myguy, I get it. What about you, Scott Horton. Please do not get MAD!

  10. m70270 says:
    " To paraphrase George HW Bush, "If only people knew what we really do, they would hang us from the nearest lampost." Most Americans understand that we were stampeded into Iraq by the media and government fear mongering. For example,most Americans the do not know that the Bush administration advised Pakistan during the Summer of 2001, (months prior to 9/11 attack on the US), at a conference on Afghanistan held in Berlin under the auspices of the UN, that they would be "attacking Afghanistan before the snow flies in October."
    The then Pakistani Secretary Niaz Niak told this to BBCs Richard Arney. He advised that "regime change was the goal." The underlying motive was Taliban giving the boot to UNOCAL an American/Saudi consortium and the subsequent favoring of Bridas, an Argentine oil developer to build the proposed pipeline from Turkmenistan to Gwadar, Pakistan on the Arabian Sea. "

    Really?? Unocal an " American/Saudi consortium" ..?? Could that dovetail into the fact that the
    911 hijackers were nearly all Saudis..?? Oh, I.m sure it's just one more of those coincidences , like ONE of the hijackers being the cousin of an [alleged] Israeli spy… but with the CIA and assorted agencies of OUR OWN government doing "psyops" and "disinformation campaigns" with 100s of BILLIONS of OUR tax dollars~~ Is it any WONDER that "We the People" may suffer ignorance..??

    When the USA let the JFK killing and it's aftermath degenerate into "controlled" chaos and allowed
    those responsible to walk away with NO consequences…….. We created the unaccountable "class".
    We gave those who take it upon themselves to steer the ship of state by illicit means…..to the point of overturning elections, assassinating a president and popular leaders…we gave them the immunity that Cheney is now declaring as a BIRTHRIGHT..!! How dare anyone expext "THEM" to live by the laws enacted to control "US". That group….AntiCastroCubans…Texas Oil…. Rockefeller/NY money & Israeli Firsters..[don't forget Jack Ruby] has consolidated their stranglehold and profited billions.. The lack of transparency has allowed these "forces" to believe they can accomplish their desired ends by ANY means….and 911 and the Iraq war is the current high water mark of their endeavors.. The enhanced surveillance
    we are experiencing is but one of their tools-along with torture-to contain the flow of information about their activities. Too many unexplained happenings and "coincidences" combined with a call for greater secrecy….are their mark..

    E.G. ~~~~~

    WASHINGTON – Air traffic controllers who handled two of the hijacked flights on Sept. 11, 2001, recorded their experiences shortly after the planes crashed, but a supervisor destroyed the tape, the government said Thursday.

    A report by Transportation Department Inspector General Kenneth Mead said the manager for the New York air traffic control center asked the controllers to record their experiences a few hours after the crashes, believing they would be important for law enforcement.

    Sometime between December 2001 and February 2002, an unidentified Federal Aviation Administration quality assurance manager crushed the cassette case in his hand, cut the tape into small pieces and threw them away in multiple trash cans, the report said.

    The manager said he destroyed the tape because he felt it violated FAA policy calling for written statements from controllers who have handled a plane involved in an accident or other serious incident. He also said he felt the controllers weren't in the right frame of mind to have consented to the taping, the report said. "
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename

    Are you getting it..?? Or do I need to go on…&…on…&…on…&…on..??

  11. The government investigating itself is something of an oxymoronic exercise. What, pray tell, would they "discover" and how would they, if at all, proceed from there? There are plenty of cliche's to color the response to that one.

  12. As far as McGoverns belief that this will reach the highest levels I'm not so certain that it ever will. Why should it. At the present velocity the O'bombamaniacs are hurtling us along with their wink and a nod green light to Israel, and further evil shenanigans, you can bet the farm that all of those OLD issues will get buried in fresh nuclear rubble. How else to keep the proles deluded and entertained at the same time. It would hurt the ratings to do otherwise.

  13. Would love those citations or links. Not disagreeing but it helps speed things along.

  14. I resent my public indoctrination camp education more every day.

    Keep up the exposure, Scott!

  15. What song is in the intro Scott?

    Another great interview btw.

  16. "So You Wanna Be a Gangster" – Too Short

    –scott

  17. To whoever posted that link:

    I know if one digs…. and digs… and digs…. who has the time. I want to open my morning paper and not see puke propaganda. As for the left being in whole foods, there's a lot of politics in food. Maybe it's OK. Like, speaking of that, what about this Fox Monsanto thing?! Why don't all newspapers report this cancer milk story? All the editor babies are afraid of lawyers WTF
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JL1pKlnhvg0

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