Comments on: Ray McGovern

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By: knowbuddhau

knowbuddhau — Fri, 27 Nov 2009 15:45:02 +0000

Is not packing up and leaving also to leave responsibly? So what's the real issue here, the speed?

Think about it. Packing up and leaving IS leaving responsibly. Or should we leave all our hardware and run away?

And the compensation? Will it include cleaning up all the depleted uranium dust? Compensating the victims generations from now?

This is what is meant by "the accumulated evil of the whole." We've gone to war for oil, our cover story is a thong of lies, and now the land itself is poisoned. How are we going to compensate that? Same goes for Iraq, you know, we've used tons of DU on them, too.

Sounds like Vietnam. It's our registered trademark.

So let's renounce war, AGAIN, renounce all empire, close all bases, and withdraw all troops. Responsibly. We're going to need the money to pay our victims.

And if the whole effort isn't happening fast enough for you, welcome to the adult world. Do you think the generations who've gone before us felt any better about it?

By: knowbuddhau

knowbuddhau — Fri, 27 Nov 2009 15:27:38 +0000

My sensibilities aren't the issue here. You went off on RM, saying he "lost all credibility in [your] eyes" because he said things with which you disagree.

If that was indeed a brotherly f-you, then you can take my "Hey, back off" the same way.

Since you brought up the issue of credibility, I replied in kind regarding Horton's dumb ass quip, "I don't know why we're in Afghanistan." I say again, WTF? That flip remark blew my mind. And it's even more mind-boggling if he's actually interviewed Escobar, one of the planet's best journalist, and didn't learn at least that it's all about Pipelineistan.

Regarding your suggestion: Think about it. Withdrawal will have to occur over weeks and months, not days. There's a whole lot of hardware over there, should we abandon it to the Taliban? Or is the rapidity of our compliance with your demands the real issue here?

McGovern has the one thing a lot of us citizen journalists don't: first-hand experience. That's what speaks to me. So when I disagree with him, and I myself have criticized him in this very space, it's with a measure of respect.

You might try extending a hand of friendship, instead of throwing tantrums, next time someone disagrees with you. It's called "maturity".

Or you can try stomping your feet and holding your breath. And if that don't work, I got a barely-used pair of ruby slippers I'll sell you. You can click your heels and say, "Bring our troops home."

By: Todd Boyle

Todd Boyle — Fri, 27 Nov 2009 02:25:50 +0000

See one hour Ray McGovern speech in Seattle, at University of Washington last week, http://edmaysproductions.net

By: andy

andy — Sun, 22 Nov 2009 03:38:40 +0000

Not sure what your point is Lester. You haven't negated my basic point. My basic point is that American support for Israel has been a bad thing for America.

By: Tim

Tim — Sat, 21 Nov 2009 18:44:47 +0000

Yeah Scott,

Just pack up and leave. Any effort to "leave responsibly" will be used by the war party to continue the occupation. We leave and then negotiate any compensation we owe with the Afghan regime that takes power.

By: Magnes

Magnes — Sat, 21 Nov 2009 14:02:28 +0000

It all boils down to one thing, organized
Jewry and Jews.

There is a war being waged against
THE WEST.

Forever the case, against Europeans.

“I SHALL SET BROTHER AGAINST BROTHER”
OT, Jews from Egypt way back when.

Research Pinay,
The Plot Against the Church
Jews using Freemasonry to wage war.
Destroy us from within.
http://www.catholicvoice.co.uk/pinay/

Magnes

By: bill kelsey

bill kelsey — Sat, 21 Nov 2009 12:26:59 +0000

"immediate and unconditional withdrawal" and "responsible, etc." withdrawal may not be contradictory. The first represents the principled sentiment. It also suggests that more bombing or assassination not be used as final bargaining chips. With that it mind, one does have to negotiate a responsible withdrawal over such details as a ceasefire and protection during the withdrawal, which military posts are handed over to which forces (if not abandoned), which trucks and hardware are left behind and for who, what gets destroyed, what gets hauled out and so on. (And probably who gets bribed – I mean receives material assistance – to help it go smoothly). If the negotiators can generate goodwill I'd like to see an offer to leave behind medical and physical therapy units, landmine clearing, and other civic action/reconstruction teams even in Taliban controlled areas. The alternative would be massive chaos all round.