Scott Horton Interviews Dahr Jamail

Scott Horton, April 07, 2010

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Independent journalist Dahr Jamail discusses the common occurrence of unprovoked US military violence like the incident revealed by Wikileaks, Iraq Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki’s two-month window to eliminate the competition and stay in power, the inability of Americans to parse through media nonsense to get the real story on Iraq, “atrocity producing” situations in Iraq fed by dehumanization and arbitrary rules of engagement and why it’s difficult to turn off the boot camp-indoctrinated killer instinct.

MP3 here. (48:25)

Dahr Jamail is an independent journalist and author of Beyond the Green Zone: Dispatches From an Unembedded Journalist in Occupied Iraq, and The Will to Resist: Soldiers Who Refuse to Fight In Iraq and Afghanistan. His Mideast dispatches can be found at his website, Alternet.org and Antiwar.com.

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  2. Why do Minuteman-3 and Trident-2 D5 need a CEP (Circular Error Probability – - the radius centered on the target in which half the warheads are expected to hit) of 30 meters or less ? It´s not needed to hit cities, of course. Missiles on ships in the Black Sea in Bulgaria to defend against Iran ? Why not in Turkey ? It´s to take out the Russian second-strike force, of course. According to Bob Aldridge-www.plrc.org-"Whether on ships or land, they are still a necessary component for an unanswerable first strike".

  3. Regarding Scott's question at ~17:00, is that even though the armed forces as a whole are quite diverse its not evenly distributed across the different branches. In particular it is much less so in combat arms units, especially in special operations and combat aviation which do so much of the actual killing.

  4. What amazes me is that there are so many folks, including those wonderful Libs, who find it hard to believe that the massive force of the US military unleashed on a country WOULDNT kill a million. Many of those who doubt the numbers surely acknowledge that the sanctions alone killed hundreds of thousands. Wouldn't a state of war kill more?

    See, I think part of our problem in America is that we are wildly ignorant about how devastating war is. I think Europeans are still much more cognizant of that, even though even there the memory of WW2 is slowly fading.

  5. Great interview.

  6. Why are responsible Americans afraid to cite the real number of Iraqi dead resulting from the invasion and occupation?
    The public health specialists at the 'Bloomberg' School of Public Health (Johns Hopkins University) whose statistical analysis provided the basis for the Lancet report on Iraqi casualties became the target of the most dispicable witch hunt by the Administration and their academic lackies (and probably by puppets of Bloomberg himself). One internationally respected statistician, Professor Burnham, has been publicly censored and banned from working on any research for 'ethical violations' in having analysed the survey data on Iraqi civilian deaths. So – hundreds of journalists are delilberately killed. American academics are subjected to show trials (while their terrified colleagues refuse to support them) and many thousands of Iraqi intellectuals, physicians, writers and scientists have been systematically assassinated or driven from the country. That is how you 'make history' … according to the neo-cons.

  7. I've been reading some of the comments from people on different web sites defending the shooters in the Wikileaks video. They are outraged by the anger other readers have shown about the killings. "We just don't understand what it's like." We are "demonizing the soldiers." We've "never been in that situation, so we shouldn't criticize." "They're heroes, defending your right to attack them." And so on. I've been posting back that they're all war criminals, because they've been sent to commit crimes by their military and civilian leaders.
    I don't expect to get through to too many of them, though.

  8. Anyone think this video release will have more impact as a "recruit" video than a "awakening" video? As much as the pentacon protests about the release of a video like this, it seems they count on the fact that Americans wont really care, and the "enemy" will be stirred up insighting more violence over seas giving justification for more occupation?

  9. War is big business… Mass Murder is part of doing business. Follow the money.

    Do not worry about foreign wars… worry about the war that is being waged for your minds and souls right here in America.
    http://www.infowars.com/alexs-farewell-interview-

  10. I tried to find the reports mentioned by Jahmail on the internet. The Opinion Research Business has one from september 2007, giving a number of 1.2 millions with a range of insecurity around 2ooK up or down, In 2008 they had concluded the investigation in some rural districts, and now are down to around 1,013 extra deaths from violence. The security of that bumber is now down to around 100k each way.

    The second mentioned by Jahmail, sounded like "Joshua and Policy" and could not be found. The thrid one, he saw at a website, but the address is simply inaudible,

    Since Scott Horton asks the listener to pay very close attention, it is a pity that the documentation is so vaguely presented. The Lancet study of 655.000 was vilified beyond belief, and ominously not one of the attackers cared for getting more precise measurements. Talk about ideological distortion! Or should one say, that democracy has transformed the average citizen to a miniature parody on an old fashioned Majesty, whose prerogative was to let his pleasure be guiding for his decisions? And proof of fiasco are certainly not to his Majesty's liking!

    But someone, please post some more precise links to those 1 million plus reports.

  11. Yes. It is astonishing how "decent people" easily adopt "only-obeyed-orderes-like-Adolf- Eichman" excuses.

  12. Our country never counted the dead Iraqis or the Afghanistans because the massive loss of life would show what the American government really is in the eyes of the Middle East…TERRORISTS.

  13. i haven't listened to the interview yet, but i assume the second one you refer to is Just Foreign Policy.

    see:
    http://www.justforeignpolicy.org/iraq
    http://www.justforeignpolicy.org/deathcount/expla

  14. No, genocide is the destruction of a target peoples in whole or PART – Rafael Lemkin. American aggression in Iraq is classified as genocide in the same way Vietnam, Nagasaki and Cambodia are. The difference being here that the United States, yet again, will not be held accountable; which of course is consistent with the noahide doctrine applicable only to ‘allied’ war crimes.

  15. Thanks. It appears, then, that the most reliable number for now, would be the little over one million from the beginning of 2008. Adding two years would augment the numbers by 200.000 per year, since that is the average from 2003-2008.. 1.4 millions extra dead persons.

    The revenge rate per American killed at 9-11 against innocent Iraqi's (which were completely unconnected to the events then) is then approaching 500 dead persons per American killed. The insanity of this is really breathtaking! And not counting dead in Afghanistan and elsewhere.

    I suppose, that the military tactic of performing blitzlrieg against opponents, clearly shows it's futility. Making everybody worse off – both the "liberated" while indefinitely occupied countries, and killing morality and humanity at home as well, along with squandering enormous ressources on these stubborn and futile attempts at nation-building.

    Not blinded by ideology like the communist attempts at nation-building, but blinded by own spin! The longer it takes to face reality, the more dangerous the situation becomes at home for a COMPLETE breakdown of trust and confidence in public order. Should that happen, and Blietzkrieg was then used to attack that problem – well then at least some peace would be possible in Iraq and Afghanistan and Somalia, and some historic justice would hit the Americans VERY hard.

  16. Statistics and numbers. Probably important, but there is a sickening sinking feeling in my mind that it serves as an excuse, even for some people who really wat the US to lay down arms and instead embrace a humane relationship with the middle eat.
    For me, a precise turning point came in Khermanshah, western Iran on December 23, 1986 at 0750 in the morning. An enemy plane had dropped two bunker busters on the air raid cellar of a girls school. 63 dead girls and 4 teachers. I live with their memories every day. Please settle in Iraq and Afghanistan. Please stop apartheid Isael by cutting off the money. Please stop the killing NOW.
    Chris

  17. Statistics and numbers. Probably important, but there is a sickening sinking feeling in my mind that it serves as an excuse, even for some people who really wat the US to lay down arms and instead embrace a humane relationship with the middle eat.
    For me, a precise turning point came in Khermanshah, western Iran on December 23, 1986 at 0750 in the morning. An enemy plane had dropped two bunker busters on the air raid cellar of a girls school. 63 dead girls and 4 teachers. I live with their memories every day. Please settle in Iraq and Afghanistan. Please stop apartheid Isael by cutting off the money. Please stop the killing NOW.
    Chris

  18. I don't demonize the soldiers. They are not all like that pilot. However, racism is encouraged to some extent by many in the US media and it affects the soldiers who may easily see any Arab as evil. In this case, the pilot violates the Rules of Engagement by firing on two men carrying a wounded man, but the military decided not to do anything about it. Iraqis were not going to like America just because America got rid of Saddam. Many Iraqis know the US put the Ba'ath party in power in the first place.Saddam was a former ally.

  19. The Wikileaks video put to music – harmonic response

  20. Link down, just click my name

  21. Can I suggest something?

    The military doesn't turn ANYONE into a killer.

    Killers seek out the military.

    Think about it; if you think violence is fun, what kind of profession will you seek out? Truck driver?

    The military doesn't propagandize ANYONE.

    Military propaganda is SO BAD that no one believes it, and THAT'S THE POINT.

    Someone who really believes they're fighting to "protect America" might have qualms about obeying illegal orders. A person like that is dangerous for the military and unwanted.

    The military WANTS and GETS people who DON'T believe the propaganda and sign up ANYWAYS.

    The bottom ranks of the military are people with few other options. Anyone above a private is above a private because he's a sociopath. THAT'S HOW YOU GET PROMOTED.

    I don't demonize the soliders. They were demons long before I said anything about them.

  22. WakeUP Human:Bu$h the reborn for ISA PUH-The Quran Believer is building Hayakel Arabia-killing 300M Muslims on going project…obama is a kingdum killer-follower

  23. Bu$H The CIAfamily legacy: 6M Muslims Killed – 1.5B jailed for Madoff'z ONE Super J-Theft of Earth ON GOING"iam just feeding my army family slogan" Project…israel& U$KINGZ must Leave Islamic Peninsula NOW

  24. The problem is that so many people have their careers and livelihoods wrapped up with the military or serving the military. Like the people in any kind of union, they can't bring themselves to question the industry they are a part of. This is the essence of the military-industrial-congressional complex.

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