Scott Horton Interviews Peter Lance

Scott Horton, May 01, 2010

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Peter Lance, author of Triple Cross: How bin Laden’s Master Spy Penetrated the CIA, the Green Berets, and the FBI–and Why Patrick Fitzgerald Failed to Stop Him, discusses Ali Mohamad’s infiltration of the U.S. government, the Egyptian core of al Qaeda, how the FBI could have prevented the 1993 WTC bombing, informant Emad Salem’s heroic attempt to infiltrate the Blind Sheik’s cell and later get him convicted of the bombing, FBI manager Carson Dunbar’s unbelievable arrogance and incompetence, field agent Nancy Floyd’s exemplary service, Lockheed Martin’s perpetual failure to fix the FBI’s computers, the 1995 Bojinka plot for non-suicide attacks on aircraft uncovered by the arrest of Abdul Hakim Murad and Wali Khan Amin Shah in the Philippines, why the KSM trial should be held in NYC, the hypocrisy of Andrew McCarthy – who made his career prosecuting terrorism cases in civilian venues – now demanding military trials or none at all, the time Ali Mohamad directly threatened federal prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald with the unleashing of al Qaeda sleeper agents and he didn’t do anything about it.

MP3 here. (120:00)

Triple Cross timeline [.pdf]

Peter Lance is a five-time Emmy-winning investigative reporter now working as a screenwriter and novelist. With a Masters Degree from Columbia University Graduate School of Journalism and a J.D. from Fordham University School of Law, Lance spent the first 15 years of his career as a print reporter and network correspondent.

Following the 9/11 attacks Lance began investigating the origins of the FBI’s original probe of World Trade Center bomber Ramzi Ahmed Yousef. After visiting Yousef’s former bomb factory in the Philippines, he came away with 100′s of pages of classified documents proving that Yousef had set the 9/11 plot into motion as early as 1994.

Lance then went back and examined the FBI’s original efforts to stop Yousef in 1992 as he built the first WTC device. The result is his acclaimed investigative book from Harper Collins 1000 Years for Revenge.

Lance followed that book with Cover Up in 2004. In it he established evidence that federal officials entered into an “ends/means” decision in 1996 that buried a treasure trove of al Qaeda-related intelligence in order to preserve a series of Mafia-related cases in the Eastern District of New York (Brooklyn).

In Triple Cross, the final book in Lance’s 9/11 investigative trilogy, he provides stunning evidence that senior FBI and Justice Dept. officials may have obstructed justice in their failure to monitor Ali A Mohamed, Osama bin Laden’s principal spy inside the United. States.

136 Responses to “Peter Lance”

  1. 911 was an inside job. These 2 are shills for the government and Al CIAduh.

  2. Desperate offishyal 'incompetence but nothing more' 911 storyline persuasion mission. Go trawl around any 911 clips and articles for a bit and notice the hordes of 'debunker' comments vigorously defending the official narrative who clearly write the same and have the exact same antagonistic, belittling, scripted, 'truther' bashing talking points. It's totally creepy but understandable given what's at stake. Do folks still eating propaganda out of daddy Cheney's hand really believe 911 'truthers' are literally mentally insane just like daddy Cheney says so?

  3. Actually, yes – truthers are insane. Or very young.

  4. No, it generally means one of two things: either we don't find the evidence compelling or conclusive, or we believe the "Truther Movement" a distraction from real work that needs to be done. For a historical parallel, remember the cottage "who shot JFK" industry that thrived while hundreds of thousands of Vietnamese were murdered by American forces. The work then, as now, is to resist militarism and defend its victims. The truthers have become a quasi-religious movement that denounces unbelievers as heretics. A complete waste of time.

  5. That's a rather epic PDF right there. But TWA 800 downed by a bomb? So all the fuel tank redesigns where for naught?!

  6. WTF Scum? Are you being facetious?

  7. Check out Peter Lances's laughable explanation of the collapse of WTC 7. It's a hoot. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxZvcpR6Nyc&fe

  8. There was no proof of the blind sheikh being involved in bombing or of him running any cells. He was charged with sedition because of his anti-government speeches. The informant was an agent of Egypt's secret service who got a million dollar for his work.

  9. GOOGLE—–Israel did 911——–Very well documented.

  10. Many folks CHOOSE not to connect dots that urgently need to be connected. Those people are GATEKEEPERS. The ones seeded into movements of resistance against the Empire are the most damaging ones, from Chomsky to Counterpunch to Antiwar. One can only hope that Horton is working his way up to accepting that what we have been told about 911 is largely bunkum. That shouldn't be so hard, considering the horrible US record of official deception, but somehow that context 'escapes' most gatekeeper. See, that's how we know they are Gatekeepers. No one knows better than Chomsky, for example, that the more US foreign policy hnges on an event, the more sure you can be that the event is more or less falsified. The only real question is how much and in what way has it been falsified.

  11. Admirable word choice. "Cottage industry" is a sweetly propagandistic turn of phrase that belittles those who refuse to swallow blatantly manipulated official stories, on the basis of the fact that those who so refuse do not have some sort of official or institutional standing – hence "cottage" – a beautifully circular implicit 'argument' (guilt by non-association). It's always a good idea, when disinformationists provide samples of their work, to observe their techiniques. We need to do this, because it's how we learn to deconstruct them, to break the chains of fallacy they project.

  12. I don't know, guys. I listened very carefully, and it seriously wasn't any fun, and the very best I could give Lance, here, is a helped-it-happen-on-purpose scenario, Certainly not "almost-criminal negligence" over and over and over and over and over. In fact, this interview was enough to convince anyone with half a clue that helped-it-happen-on-purpose, or Tarpley's theory of patsies, is way more plausible than such an ocean of excuses.

    It reminds me of Michael Parenti's gripe against the Democrats groaning about Dubya's stupidity, when it's only stupid if you assume his purpose was to uphold his oath of office. He, in fact, performed brilliantly. This incompetence/negligence excuse stuff is a LIBERAL COMPLAINT instead of a RADICAL ANALYSIS of the facts at hand. In fact, I think if Peter Lance were not so intent on making Fitzgerald look like a boob, venting about asshole FBI bosses, he might even realize that it's really not reasonable at all to assume that "incompetence" kept the dots from being connected and preventing 9/11.

    And doesn't he ever wonder why Salem would expose himself to associate with him after all he's been through? And to let everyone know he's working with him on an article and a book? If the US Marshals made him light out because his daughter opened her mouth in class, wouldn't they be a little miffed about him collaborating with a bullhorn… unless… well… unless they liked what Salem was breaking cover to get bullhorned…? Oh, well, there's probably an excuse for that too….

  13. Wow, that guy is crazy

  14. And he called Kahane a "world leader". haha

  15. Gosh there are some appalling as**oles commenting on this site.

    Other than that, it was good to hear that guy, interesting. Except he and Bill Maher think Obama is right-wing?! I wonder exactly what they would be happy with? Full nationalization of all businesses, 90% tax rates, the mind boggles….

  16. Sorry, but anyone who can watch the WTC buildings collapse and NOT believe it was controlled demolition is either insane, stupid, brainwashed, willfully ignorant, or has an agenda.

  17. If there is any one thing that will make AntiWar.com irrelavant in the future, it will be how Antiwar.com handled this issue of 911. For Justin it appeared to be career move, not to go there. Sad because there were many good people that have worked hard to make AntiWar.com a relavent read of the day. But even sadder is the prospect for peace in the world. By not fingering those real perps of 911, we are setting ourselves up for yet another, perhaps more catastrophic event along the lines of 911.

  18. Wait, this guy says we should stay at Okinawa because we are a world superpower that need to "project our power"?

    Ugh.

  19. "… to resist militarism and defend its victims." I could only agree with this as a 'sentiment,' the verbage is so passive. A proper goal is to prosecute criminals facilitating the fraud of war, and that means raising awareness and pressuring people in position to help. Also, the analogy between jfk & 9/11 fails in the sense you are using it: jfk's death did not sell a war, 9/11 is the founding myth of present and future wars. But the analogy might succeed in one regard: jfk is depicted snapping backwards though the patsy was behind him and the towers telescoped downward. Both events were about 'your lying eyes.'

  20. There's something about this reporter's way of relating the story that sounds disingenuous.

  21. Yes Annes, Obama is right-wing by any objective standard. The center in America these days is very far to the right. You can even go to Wikipedia and see a little box with all the political parties in the US, and see the genuine leftists… and those are just political parties! Here's a better idea: look at all the groups that showed up to protest the WTO in Seattle 1999, or the FTAA in Miami in 2003, and so on. Look up "Global Justice Movement."

  22. Pressure of speech.

    Refusing to do anything but be emphatic about points that have alternative, better, explanations.

    Taking two hours not to address what he was asked to address a bunch of times.

    Being so damn unquestioning about really gaping holes in the stories he's been told, and being even more emphatic in those spots.

    Basically, spewing what the black ops people call a "limited hangout".

    I could probably list more, but I don't want to listen again. Too damn depressing.

  23. Scoot himself is a jew and has said that almost all staff of antiwar were jews, plus it's common fuking knowledge. Anyone who has looked into 9/11 knows israel/mossad was deeply involved in carrying out 9/11. Of course antiwar spews the same bullshit lies / corer up about 9/11 and has guests who lie, what else do you expects from jews who just try to protect their own and do what their handlers tell them to say / do?

    Read a couple of the comments above to see how these operatives here at antiwar operate, like "agent 99" and "eppie"

    If you buy into this shit these jews are telling you, your a fool

    only an agent , a retard or someone who was paid to lie would tell you that 9/11 wasn't carried out by the highest levels of the US governments. with the help of other intelligence agency's like Mossad, MI5. Or someone who never looked into it.

    You should have no doubt now that these jews here are shills and paid dis info agents, who's goal it is to deceive you.

    never trust a filthy jew

  24. I will use this show to demonstrate to everyone who refused to believe that antiwar.com was dis info agents. This was exactly what I needed.

    Please do your part and expose this site for what it is.

    By this site towing the official government line about 9/11 and by having guests on who do, should be all the proof you need.

    You are either a friend of liars (antiwar.com)who cover up the murders of 9/11 and the wars after or you are a part of the people who spend their life trying to expose the lies of 9/11

    Please be a good person and do your part and expose this site for what it is.

  25. Scott,

    Here's why I don't find Peter Lance's reporting (or the 'Islamic extremist threat') credible: there hasn't been a follow up attack in America. If "al-qaeda" has high quality super-spy like agents, as Lance alleges, presumably they also have many less competent but highly motivated members. That's simply what real political organizations are like.

    Remember the Washington D.C. sniper? Plotting that attack didn't take real estate in Afghanistan, organization, contraband, or anything else which would set off official red flags- but it caused mass panic and mass casualties. If "al-qaeda" is real, why can't it even pull off a small attack? It just doesn't make sense.

    Furthermore, why is al-qaeda unable to post videos on youtube.com? It's a minor point, but why are their communiques always 'intercepted' by some shadowy western service, have they not figured out how to use web 2.0? And why can't Osama bin Laden afford a decent video camera? There wouldn't be any talk about his death or the authenticity of the tapes of him if he'd just tell someone to pick him up some decent equipment in Pakistan.

    It simply doesn't make any sense.

    IF, on the other hand, "al-qaeda" is just a database of islamists, not an organization, and PNAC was the real force behind the 9-11 attacks, it makes perfect sense why there hasn't been a follow up attack; the perps know they're being watched and would have a high risk of incriminating themselves with a second attempt.

    It also perfectly explains all the 'al-qaeda' communiques and crappy videos; they're crappy because OBL is dead and the people who want the war are faking his life, because it's a great justification for the war.

  26. It seems to me that the commenters calling out antiwar.com as disinfo agents are themselves the disinfo agents. They help paint 9-11 truthers as an extreme, intolerant group of d$&kheads, and that is the convenient excuse used by antiwar.com to not engage 9-11 truth, but, sadly, to completely ignore most of the evidence that points to a deeper conspiracy, and paint over the rest of it with the "coincidences of incompetence" brush; perhaps a natural conclusion for Libertarians? Lance has investigated, and described the trunk of the elephant very well, but it would seem there's more to it than that. Antiwar, please engage. Why not have Peter Dale Scott or David Ray Griffin on the show? Their absence is telling.

  27. The reason AntiWar.com has not engaged in the 911 debate must have something to do with Justin Raimondo's decision. After all, he has the say on policy. Justin distanced himself early-on and has maintain that it was nothing but a bunch of nuts that were involved in the conspiracy of 911. But maybe there is another reason that Justin took this route. His income from the lecture circuit ? After all, who would have invited him to speak on his anti war position if the speech included the 911 issue ? We know from experience that well positioned and not so well positioned Zionist in our schools, etc can be a over riding force on who is allowed to give a speech. Ever know a Zionist that wants any probing around on this vital issue if Israel might be implicated as a perp?—–AntiWar.com is making itself irrelavant to the most important issue of our entire history in America. Hey Justin, enjoy those bucks guy.

  28. "Truthers" should concentrate on the obvious- the "mastermind" "trials". Governments that hold suspects (without charges mind you) for going on 10 years in isolation while being brutally tortured, repeatedly, only to have specially created "tribunals" just for them generally are covering something up. The Anthrax case should also be up front and center. All this speculation on "theories" is counter productive. Go after the government where it is vulnerable. These "trials" are the Achilles heal.

  29. Lance does a good job laying out the facts but I don't agree with his analysis. Especially when it comes to motivations based on ideology.

  30. Agent Raimundo and his little obsequious suck-butt Scott Horton continue to uphold the official 911 storyline, in spite of the now overwhelming evidence "debunking" it. LOL.

  31. It's the J.E.W.S. that run this dump (antiwar.com) and their job is to help cover up the truth of 9/11 because their pay daddies in israel helped pull off 9/11.

    tell everyone you know about this site. download the show and use it show others how these gatekeepers work

  32. Anyone who thinks their argument is convincing when they call dissenters insane, stupid, brainwashed, willfully ignorant or possessing an agenda

    Is one or a combination of – insane, stupid, brainwashed, willfully ignorant or possessing of agenda

  33. HEAR, HEAR, Elsie!

  34. Keep on rockin' anti-War. do not let the Nazis and the Truthers get you down.

  35. Hey Scott, I hope you already know this but wanted to make sure. I, and many others, love your show, and value all the hard work you put into it. Your radio show helped turn me from a neocon chickenhawk to a libertarian dove. In turn I try to take the things I learn and help others make the same transition. Antiwar.com helps me to stay sane in an insane world. Keep up the good work and please don't let the naysayers get you down. Peace.

  36. Well let's see, The dancing israelis and a huge amount of other evidence shows israel helped pull off 9/11. So who lives in israel? is it Germans? No .. Is it muslims? no… Take a guess. here is a hint, it starts with a J, now who are the runners and staff of antiwar.com? are they Germans ? NO.. Muslims>

    NO… Take a guess.. Here is a hint.. It starts with a J.

    Figure it out people. while "they" are eating bagels , they are sitting around trying to figure out how to deceive everyone. This is what these gatekeepers are paid to do

    If you still haven't figured it out. Replace the P in PEW with a J. If this operation here doesn't stink to you, then your a fool

  37. No, those verbs are in the active mode. It's spelled "verbiage." If you actually did something you'd find out it's much more difficult that sounding off about your pet theories.

  38. Okay, replace with "pet theory factories of yammering nimrods."

  39. ..

  40. Hey Elsie, I love it too! I think Scott's one of the best hopes for America, but he's wrong about 9/11 and I think that began to dawn on him somewhere in the last hour of this interview… as I think it should have to anyone listening. I don't naysay him! I tell everybody about him and I defend him to anybody who has complaints, including my complaint about the 9/11 business.

    AND THANK YOU FOR TURNING INTO A LIBERTARIAN DOVE!

  41. I thought you were mistaken, but it turned out It was me that was mistaken, but the charge actually was "seditious conspiracy"….

    Perez, Richard (1995-10-02). "THE TERROR CONSPIRACY – THE CHARGES – A Gamble Pays Off as the Prosecution Uses an Obscure 19th-Century Law – NYTimes.com". New York Times.http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F… Retrieved 2010-04-08.

  42. strange if what you say is true that your post got posted… When I use a J in the word )ew my post goes into the moderation dock for "review"

  43. Let's say that the Israeli-Jewish-Illuminati theory is the correct explanation, and they're responsible for 9/11, the OKC bombing and who knows what else, how much do you think your comments on this site are doing to bring them down? I don't know, but I think if you believe they control the media, can organize the mass murder of thousands of Americans and have tentacles into the highest parts of the government, chastising Scott and the rest at Antiwar.com for being "gatekeepers" seems awfully ineffectual and pathetic. Also, if one quarter of what you guys are saying is true, how come not one of you losers has been offed by the Mossad yet? They can organize the cover up of the blowing up of the Twin Towers but they can't seem to find the resources to disappear every one of you?

    And before you can beat me too it, you're right, I'm an agent of the State of Israel. I find it worth my time to combat this information on a site that only but a handful of Americans have even heard of.

  44. What is needed is a what we have, constant probing and analysis….

  45. My opinion on the topic of antiwar.com's complicity in the cover-up IS: Obviously, telling average Americans that THEIR government did it is confrontational, unpopular and dangerous… I have lost lifelong friends for merely suggesting this scenario.. So, does antiwar.com and Senior Raimondo sign on to such a MARGINALIZING "theory"… Or should they work in the broader context and work to stop the wars on the merits and harm of the wars. Should they broaden their readership, or narrow it to those who can and do accept the premise that 911 was self inflicted. Trying to say that Mr. Raimondo does it for the money is really silly.. He may make money, but he could surely make far more being a shill for the MIC and their wars for resources.. or to be clear he wishes to reach out to as many as possible, not only true believers in government perfidy.. And as I have said before, there is a danger of antiwar.com would degenerate into a 911 conspiracy snake-pit… There are TOO MANY CRAZIES on BOTH SIDES… Let the many excellent 911 sites do the work, and if they come up with notably insights or evidence, make mention of THEIR discoveries… 911 stole our democracy, Americans don't want to hear the gov is the perp.. Being too close to the 911 meatgrinder would seriously narrow antiwar.com's audience. Mr. Raimondo HAS gone there, but with a light touch…

  46. You do know there hasn't been a trial, right? Three thousand Americans died in New York City, and there hasn't been one criminal trial, one criminal investigation; Osama bin Laden hasn't even b een indicted?

    Are you calling me an idiot because I think that's wrong? Am I an idiot for presuming that Osama bin Laden is INNOCENT until PROVEN GUILTY in a COURT OF LAW?

    I thought that just made me an American. I'm not sure what you are but I wouldn't count you as an American regardless of what your passport might say.

  47. Yea Jay, let's stop those truthers. Let's keep this Zion-nazi liying machine running full steam ahead on Antiwar.com. If we Zionist should allow a real investigation, who knows, the official story may come undone and we may just discover how deeply Israel was involved. Can't have that now, can we ?

  48. Ha ha ha. These comments by all the truther idiots are so hilarious. Keep 'em coming, guys!

  49. It wasn't good was it? There is something not quite right about Peter Lance I feel.
    Pro-empire, pro Okinawa with its forward base projection of power. Pro invasion of Afghanistan, an odd choice of opinion for Anti-war to air. But most definitely anti truther 911. Which Is company policy no?
    If the truth about the US govenments complicity ever comes out, which I believe it will, (in about 30 years time) Anti-war.com will just be remembered as Anti-war.com. And Alex Jones will be vindicated.
    Rhetorical question to Scott: How do you think WTC7 fell down? A "Lance Pre-wired" jobby?

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  52. Not like mikeshil who believes his government…. Heez so smart and all the DOUBTERS are idiots.
    Seems like mikey is about the only here one buyin th govs story… Pass the koolaid an drink deep..

  53. Actually Justin Raimondo the head editor wrote a book called "terror enigma 911 the Israeli connection" which was early on and did go at least as far as saying Israel had to at minimum have known about 911 and not told anyone. That or they told but were deliberately ignored. Scott Horton has also had Ryan Dawson form anti-neocons on the show before to talk about 911. And Ry is not a tower of the official story. In 30 minutes he was into the anthrax connections to Israel and truck bombs. That was all live on antiwar.com radio. I don't think you could have a better more solid facts based representative for 911 truth than Ry. I actually met him Japan

    Also this Jew bashing crap aside from just being asinine and ignorant, does nothing but pollute your message. Antiwar.com is NOT soft on Israel. And having Jewish staff is no more relevant than having people who are left handed. And proportion wise they probably have more atheists than anything. That goes hand in hand with not being an idiot and possessing critical thinking skills.

    I think what Lance fails to see is how the CIA and FBI hire and protect crooks/terrorist on purpose the same way the FBI used to protect and use certain members of the mob (which it denied even existed) to do shootings for them. If the Mafia grunt is caught then so what, never heard of him. He just goes to jail as a "lone gunmen" the only difference is its not foreign mobs and bomb-men.

  54. Antiwar.com has been a critic of the Government's contempt for the intelligence of its people since the site was born.

    It is curious, then, that antiwar.com, willing to examine this contempt in other areas, lacks the courage to examine it in its perfected form. As levelled in this program, antiwar.com's excuse–that if we don't buy what the clowns tell us we won't take Al Qaeda seriously–is weak.

    It is more likely that Antiwar Radio is afraid that if it doesn't buy what the clowns tell us, IT won't be taken seriously journalistically. The critic of contempt, here, becomes an advocate of contempt through its own cowardice.

    Cowardice tends to transform us into the very thing we most despise. Antiwar.com's cowardice with regard to 9-11 exposes its own belief in the profound stupidity of the American People, a belief it hates passionately and critically in every area but the most important one.

  55. It wasn't good was it? There is something not quite right about Peter Lance I feel.
    Pro-empire, pro Okinawa with its forward base projection of power. Pro invasion of Afghanistan, an odd choice of opinion for Anti-war to air. But most definitely anti truther 911. Which Is company policy no?
    If the truth about the US govenments complicity ever comes out, which I believe it will, (in about 30 years time) Anti-war.com will just be remembered as Anti-war.com. And Alex Jones will be vindicated.
    Rhetorical question to Scott: How do you think WTC7 fell down? A "Lance Pre-wired" jobby?

  56. Hmm, that's interesting. Or could it be that Antiwar Radio doesn't believe what you believe? I guess that couldn't possibly be the case.

  57. I liked Scott's shows much more, before he sold his soul to Antiwar.com.

    It's fairly obvious that his "handler" Angela keeps a tight focus on guests and topics, especially when she's sharing the mic with Scott on the odd occasion. I'd sooner trust Dick Cheney to shoot a clay pigeon off my shoulder after draining half a bottle of bourbon…

  58. You make it sound as though a belief in the laws of physics and a belief in the statements of kleptocrats or fountains of psychedelic excuses were the kind of beliefs upon which reasonable people might reasonably disagree.

    I don't agree with pounding Antiwar for not wanting to go there, given that they depend on contributions from people who wouldn't touch them with a ten-foot pole if they did, but in all honesty, defending them for disagreeing with Truthers is, in fact, tantamount to calling them Liars… tantamount to admitting you're one of the people who just wants The Lie to win over The Truth because what we've done is just WAY too awful to ever admit the truth.

    Too ignominious for America to live with.

    Except, hey, people continue to be slaughtered because you, and others, can't bear the truth, don't want to bear the ignominy of having excused murderating pigs blowing people to smithereens in their sleep because you, and others, couldn't bear to look at the facts and act appropriately. Nope. That's just TOO ugly, TOO shameful to admit, better millions die or go homeless and starve than face that one.

  59. Good job Greg! You've hit the nail on the head! God, you guys are unearthing conspiracies left and right!

  60. I don't know if it is a distraction to walk and chew gum at the same time. In order to understand that the helpful response to 9/11 of immediate enlistment might not be the best, though a well-intentioned attempt to defend your own country, some facts about the impossibility of the official story might need to be marshaled. Whether or not the population which enlists immediately is the same one which probes for the truth about 9/11 remains to be seen. I am thinking this is the first big sign of a generation gap, with the skeptical parents' generation on one side, and the conservative flag-waving youth on the other. Be that as it may, and even if my kids call me a "conspiracy theorist" they are still not looking to be all they can be. The most interesting hybrids in all of this are people like Pat Tillman and his family.

  61. I apologize then. While I don't think Scott has been influenced much, if at all, by being on Antiwar.com, I must admit to not caring for the interviews conducted by or with Ms. Keaton. But my distaste for Ms. Keaton is philosophical and tactical, not because she's trying to water down Antiwar.com. I think the left-right coalition she keeps trumpeting is far too top down driven and that what's needed is neither a new alliance but a shifting of mentalities, where left or right is immaterial and what's right is what matters. I guess policy of reason is what I'd call it. That way people can no longer hide behind their political affiliations as a last resort for their support of unjust policies and illogical arguments.

  62. You're absolutely right, is it a matter of evidence. Unfortunately, evidence and facts are available to different interpretations as well a person's judgement as to the level of importance of said facts. I guess you guys fail to understand that basic principle. Also, again, is this really the most pressing issue facing the world?

  63. I liked Scott's shows much more, before he sold his soul to Antiwar.com.

    It's fairly obvious that his "handler" Angela keeps a tight focus on guests and topics, especially when she's sharing the mic with Scott on the odd occasion. I'd sooner trust Dick Cheney to shoot a clay pigeon off my shoulder after draining half a bottle of bourbon…

  64. You make it sound as though a belief in the laws of physics and a belief in the statements of kleptocrats or fountains of psychedelic excuses were the kind of beliefs upon which reasonable people might reasonably disagree.

    I don't agree with pounding Antiwar for not wanting to go there, given that they depend on contributions from people who wouldn't touch them with a ten-foot pole if they did, but in all honesty, defending them for disagreeing with Truthers is, in fact, tantamount to calling them Liars… tantamount to admitting you're one of the people who just wants The Lie to win over The Truth because what we've done is just WAY too awful to ever admit the truth.

    Too ignominious for America to live with.

    Except, hey, people continue to be slaughtered because you, and others, can't bear the truth, don't want to bear the ignominy of having excused murderating pigs blowing people to smithereens in their sleep because you, and others, couldn't bear to look at the facts and act appropriately. Nope. That's just TOO ugly, TOO shameful to admit, better millions die or go homeless and starve than face that one.

  65. So, Agent 99, again because someone doesn't agree with you, it's because they must have a self interested reason for it. Is this how you deal with everyday life? Then I'm sure a lot of people have trouble listening to what you say. Don't you think maybe a better tactic would be to not insult, belittle and accuse someone who you so dearly want to believe in what you're trying to get across? And what is the exact mechanism that will be put into motion that will cease the current slaughter if the "Truth" were to get out? You guys act like this is the cornerstone to fucking Peace on Earth. Give me a fucking break! "If only people would recognize the scientific facts about the explosion at Building 7, well then we could finally end world hunger and live on the moon." Seriously, get over yourselves!

  66. It's not a conspiracy, I've just been following Scott's show long enough to see he's subtly being influenced by unwritten Antiwar.com policy.

    Angela Keaton steers him HARD when they're on together. It's quite obvious. I can only imagine what goes on behind the scenes and off the mic.

    BTW, I'm neither a Truther nor a jew-hater.

  67. I don't know if it is a distraction to walk and chew gum at the same time. In order to understand that the helpful response to 9/11 of immediate enlistment might not be the best, though a well-intentioned attempt to defend your own country, some facts about the impossibility of the official story might need to be marshaled. Whether or not the population which enlists immediately is the same one which probes for the truth about 9/11 remains to be seen. I am thinking this is the first big sign of a generation gap, with the skeptical parents' generation on one side, and the conservative flag-waving youth on the other. Be that as it may, and even if my kids call me a "conspiracy theorist" they are still not looking to be all they can be. The most interesting hybrids in all of this are people like Pat Tillman and his family.

  68. I apologize then. While I don't think Scott has been influenced much, if at all, by being on Antiwar.com, I must admit to not caring for the interviews conducted by or with Ms. Keaton. But my distaste for Ms. Keaton is philosophical and tactical, not because she's trying to water down Antiwar.com. I think the left-right coalition she keeps trumpeting is far too top down driven and that what's needed is neither a new alliance but a shifting of mentalities, where left or right is immaterial and what's right is what matters. I guess policy of reason is what I'd call it. That way people can no longer hide behind their political affiliations as a last resort for their support of unjust policies and illogical arguments.

  69. When a hypothesis is put forward to explain an event that fails to account for all the evidence, then that hypothesis is simply false. End of story. How do you deal with everyday life? Ignore evidence so you can hold on to your cherished views? It's not a matter of agreement, it's a matter of DEALING WITH THE EVIDENCE.

  70. You're absolutely right, is it a matter of evidence. Unfortunately, evidence and facts are available to different interpretations as well a person's judgement as to the level of importance of said facts. I guess you guys fail to understand that basic principle. Also, again, is this really the most pressing issue facing the world?

  71. You're absolutely right, is it a matter of evidence. Unfortunately, evidence and facts are available to different interpretations as well a person's judgement as to the level of importance of said facts. I guess you guys fail to understand that basic principle. Also, again, is this really the most pressing issue facing the world?

  72. I think an obvious cover up commission, assets ('incompetent' to you) within agencies clearing the path of genuine counter terrorism efforts including impotent air defense on the day, oodles of evidence of 'al Qaeda' contact and tie ins that make the state propagandized characterization very problematic, Physics/structural engineering/reality problems with the version of events proposed by the state and more glaringly obvious, the multi-decade historical context, motives and agenda of all the players 911 truth has been scrutinizing are more than enough to prove to me that 'al Qaeda' and 911 is a military industrial complex engineered story tale for gigantic accrual of wealth and power regardless of the existence of radical Islam and actually able to function as a compelling (for the public) deception because of it .

  73. Okay, now I get it.

  74. Congratulations on your continued misconstruing of what I said! Differing interpretations of facts and evidence and reaching opposing conclusions = ignoring the evidence. Okay!

    You're probably right. I'm pretty sure Iraqis and Afghans are sitting around trying to figure out how to get the American public to see the truth about 9/11 so that they'll elect someone to stop dropping bombs on them. I bet they have big underground Truther rallies holding up posters of David Ray Griffin and Richard Gage while chanting, "Building 7 was a controlled explosion".

    I truly hope you guys succeed Jay, if your end goal is to get bombs from dropping on people. But so long as you guys try to badger and insult instead of convince, you aren't going to get far.

  75. I partly agree with this, as far as truthers being cult like. It still doesn't make them wrong about JFK or 911. I don't see the logic behind saying 911 was a joint operation between Israeli and American covert forces and distracting from the war in Iraq. Show me a truther who thinks the war in Iraq is a good thing. If they don't believe the official story on 911 then there is no way they believe in the BS that lead to war in Iraq most notably the false anthrax connection which was to 911!

    A lot of the same people who worked so hard debunking Iraq's lies as they were being said are the same who work on 911. I'm one of them. I think a reason you may hear more about 911 now is because the antiwar factions are pretty unanimously agreeing that the war in Iraq was based on LIES and not mistakes. And the pro war faction tacitly admits that but continues to support war based on Prejudice.

    Also I'd like to know how books on JFK helped people ignored deaths in Vietnam as there wasn't an active internet. Most people had little voice other than taking to the street and A LOT of people protested that war. By the way Vietnam was started from a false flag. (admitted 2005) A better analogy would be to compare people who may have said there wasn't proof that ships were fired on and thus no justification for the war in the first place.

  76. I dont think those comments are by a truther idiots. I think it is one idiot posting over and over and in doing so is painting an unfair face on 911 truth the same way that tea parties got hijacked by obama is a secret muslim morons.

  77. Revealing comment. Evidence that doesn't jibe aint important. Hmmmmm….. I wish I could get my little head around that profound basic principle.

    Is this the most important issue facing the world? Quite possibly, yes. It's the basis for two wars, with possibly several more on the horizon, not to mention all the crap Americans and almost everybody else has had to go through cause of the war on terror. If the perpetrators were found and widely revealed to include bipartisan US government insiders, the war on terror would be revealed as the sham it is, the US public would lose all faith in the Republicans and the Democrats, someone like Nader, McKinney, Kucinich or Paul might actually be elected president, and the US might actually embark on some sensible foreign (and domestic) policy for once. You don't think that's pressing? I'm sure Iraqis and Afghans do.

  78. Japan does not want or need the US in Okinawa.

  79. Read my first comment on page 1. I'm not interested in insulting, or badgering people; those people do harm to whatever their cause is (which makes me wonder what their true motivations are). I'm just interested in antiwar.com and the antiwar movement in general to engage with the 9-11 truth in a reasonable and rational discussion of the evidence. Something that just hasn't happened yet as far as I'm aware of.

    The idea that the US government in some shape or form is itself responsible for the 9-11 attacks to provide justification for its wars seems to be a common one in the Islamic world, as it is throughout the whole world.

    At about 6 minutes you will see this idea expressed by Pakistanis from Peshwar:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=loS-W9NoUX0&fe

    Misconstrue? I think the implications of " evidence and facts are available to different interpretations as well a person's judgement as to the level of importance of said facts" while being true to some extent, is also an easy out for those not wanting to deal with certain evidence and facts. Don't you think?

    Surely a more basic principle when trying to get at the truth of a situation is to take all the evidence and all the facts into account no matter how unimportant they may seem.

  80. Congratulations on your continued misconstruing of what I said! Differing interpretations of facts and evidence and reaching opposing conclusions = ignoring the evidence. Okay!

    You're probably right. I'm pretty sure Iraqis and Afghans are sitting around trying to figure out how to get the American public to see the truth about 9/11 so that they'll elect someone to stop dropping bombs on them. I bet they have big underground Truther rallies holding up posters of David Ray Griffin and Richard Gage while chanting, "Building 7 was a controlled explosion".

    I truly hope you guys succeed Jay, if your end goal is to get bombs from dropping on people. But so long as you guys try to badger and insult instead of convince, you aren't going to get far.

  81. Israel's ethnic make up has nothing to do with what the government does. That's a stupid as saying "the males" did it.

  82. I disagree with Lance. Too much to even write about in a comment because the show was so long. But I enjoy getting to hear interviews like that because it lets me know what to address.

    I want to comment on a commenter more however. There is some Jew bashing kook here trying to associate himself with 911 truth. That's classic well poisoning. Reject the 911 official or some other theory actually based on evidence, by evaluating them on merit and reason. Don't blindly reject something based on a personality cult characters who try to associate themselves as the faces of those movements.

  83. Don't equate Israel with "the Jews" that
    s as stupid as confusing the American government and what it does with ordinary Americans.

  84. Antiwar.com has covered crimes by the state of Israel from day 1 to now. And their "pay daddies" are donations from the public.

    Antiwar.com is not closed to the idea of 911 truth. But you have to offer more proof. you can't just name call the other side. I think we are about to turn a corner. I appreciate being able to hear people like Lance because it lets me know what to address. It lets me know what other people don't know so that I can then fill them in.

  85. Because you have a strong opinion on structural engineering doesn't mean you know frack all.

  86. Because you have a strong opinion on structural engineering doesn't mean you know frack all.

  87. I watched the propaganda buildup towards Iraq in 2002, from an aircraft carrier, fully believing that the major point of it was to suck my country dry (say, that's two! –aren't invasion-occupations expensive?). That belief was partly motivated by both the response to 911 and the absurdity of the visual event. An argument I'm seeing on this page is the it-don't-matter-what-really-happened-on-911-schtick. But I also saw the it-don't-matter-if-there's-really-wmd-attitude. It was as if you could've just pointed us to a litterbox, called it 'terrorism' then 'invaded' it.

    I was about 70% certain the wmd schtick was crap before I heard Scott Ritter, a former weapons inspector, saying 1) the WMD line was crap, and 2) it does matter. It was impossible to believe that we were impotent vs. that fraud, it felt like a fight that could have been won, and that it would result in embarrassment for the fraudsters regardless. I was in awe that the fraudsters just kept pushing it!

    It is indeed ridiculous, even now, to put no one in jail and not expect more of the same –I gather this isn't the first time that the failure to prosecute fraudsters has had the predictable result. I hope you're right that the consensus over fraud #2 (Iraq) is motivating some more fight over fraud #1 (fraud central) –it's certainly intuitive.

  88. Theories? The head snapped back. The buildings telescoped. The war I was deployed for was a total fraud (and who was prosecuted?). There is no theory.

  89. seriously, great interview Scott. I'd love to hear more; Peter knows a LOT more than your average "truther" nut. And anyone who stands up to Alex Jones and his BS deserves to be heard. That said, I do believe (like Scott and Peter) that there is a massive govt cover-up, I just don't believe in hologram jets!!! I wonder about lots of the horrible and ignorant comments here; are they baiting us or trying to discredit this site by flooding it with anti-semitic crap? Believe me, I have no love for Zionism, but Jews and Israel are very different things! Just because some Nazis moved to the US (was it Operation Bluebird or Paperclip?) it doesn't mean that all Americans are Nazis.

  90. There is literally no way to explain 9/11 without acknowledging that the government was involved at the highest levels. Peter Lance and many others commenting here and other sites can't seem to admit this fact despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary. Now, trying to explain 9/11 is difficult, because it is an extremely complex event (as are all Deep State events [JFK, RFK, MLK Jr., and other political assassinations, Oklahoma City bombing, ect.]). If anyone is really interesting in understanding how the CIA and, to use the words of an individual involved in these black operations, the Secret Team functions, check out what Col. Fletcher Prouty has to say about the subject:
    http://www.ratical.org/ratville/JFK/ST/

    Scott, as I was trying to say to you via email this has nothing to do with Jew hating. That is a distraction used by individuals to discuss real issues. Now I understand why you thought that reading some of the comments on this site. People– governments are corrupt and have dangerous anti-democratic factions within them that manipulate events to their (and their networks) benefit. This is not a Jewish thing. Jews are involved, as are all other nationalities, races, religions, and any other social construct that you can imagine.

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