Scott Horton Interviews Pepe Escobar

Scott Horton, May 08, 2010

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Asia Times columnist Pepe Escobar discusses Brazil’s possible role as mediator (replacing hostile EU nations and the US) between Iran and the UN, the interplay of oil politics and full-spectrum dominance in US foreign policy, why the 1953 CIA-orchestrated overthrow of Mohammad Mosaddegh is still fresh in the minds of Iranians, speculation on the whereabouts and mortality of Osama bin Laden, the philosophical divide between the Taliban and al Qaeda and the psychology of the Times Square bomber.

MP3 here. (47:24)

Pepe Escobar is the author of Globalistan: How the Globalized World is Dissolving Into Liquid War and Obama Does Globalistan.

14 Responses to “Pepe Escobar”

  1. Excellent discussion. Big kudos to Horton and Escobar. And thankyou for touching on the helpless anger that many of us feel. Part of the reason we who oppose war and empire are in the minority, apart from the gigantic propaganda power of the elites, is that we do not have a coherent alternative perspective to propose. This is why the proposed rapprochement between Right and Left is so important. It may seem incredible, but our principles COMPLEMENT each other. We need each other. There's nothing the elites like more than to keep their most powerful and principled critics apart and at each other's throats. And until we come together and build a coherent alternative view of the world, of the nature of politics and government and the economy, etc., we will come off as critics, and critics never convince. Critics may inform, and guide, but they do not convince, because they do not inspire. We need a unified vision if we are to inspire. We need a vision that can be about freedom AND community. It can be done.

    Libertarians may be tempted to look down upon Lefties because right now the Left is crushed and beaten. But you are looking at your future. What was done to us, the exclusion, coopting, and crushing of everything we stood for, can happen to you as well. Consider, perhaps, Sarah Palin as the attempt to coopt your movement the way Obama was used to coopt ours. Maybe it won't work. But even if it doesn't, they'll come up with someone else. Immigration is a good issue for the elites to use to coopt the principled right, and also to keep Right and Left apart. The elites will keep at it until they do to you what they did to us.

    Obama was able to coopt our movement because we didn't have a coherent and convincing vision. The same will, I think, happen to you. Left and Right need each other, now more than ever.

  2. What a great interview. Pepe needs to be on the show more often for sure.

    This was very enlightening, and his view on this as a sociological problem was very interesting

  3. I honestly do not understand hoe the left or right began. People from each faction are so confused! I am just a simple man, but I have a vision better than anyone else. The main problem is democracy. THere are fools out there who think it is true constitutional government. Colonials established a new form of government known as a representative republic duh! once voters figure out not to go with left or right. only then things will change or get better. Too many think that left or right is important. The most important element remains to be American!!

  4. Robert-

    After the French Revolution, when the monarchy was restored but France was semi-democratic, those who sat on the left side of the National Assembly were the most anti-monarchy, while those who sat on the right side were most strongly in favor of the old regime. There's a French saying that goes: "The left is the party of movement, the right is the party of order." Keep in mind that there are many factors at work: economic, social, foreign policy, and so on. About a generation later, the biggest internal fight on the Left (that has not ended) was between Marx's people and Bakunin's (Anarchist) people.
    I could go on…

  5. I would love take a poll about the overthrow of Mosaddegh. How many American dumbasses even know that it happened at all?

  6. Robert-

    After the French Revolution, when the monarchy was restored but France was semi-democratic, those who sat on the left side of the National Assembly were the most anti-monarchy, while those who sat on the right side were most strongly in favor of the old regime. There's a French saying that goes: "The left is the party of movement, the right is the party of order." Keep in mind that there are many factors at work: economic, social, foreign policy, and so on. About a generation later, the biggest internal fight on the Left (that has not ended) was between Marx's people and Bakunin's (Anarchist) people.
    I could go on…

  7. And while we are at it, why not ask how many americans even know about iran air flight 655

  8. OMG, this has been up for two days now?! Damn! Oh well, great way to start the week. Thanks, SH. After I listen, I'll let you know what I think.

  9. OK, here it is. Last time I commented here, I expressed dismay that SH had asked, Why are we even in Afghanistan? I asked, hadn't he been reading his Pepe Escobar? Another commenter pointed out that SH had previously interviewed Sr. Escobar. That only compounded my dismay.

    What's it all bout? The dominance!

    @11:59
    SH: What's it all about? It's not about nukes, Pepe, what is it about?
    PE: You're totally right, the whole thing is not about nukes. The whole thing is about full. spectrum. dominance. And having a beach head in Iraq, and controlling an extremely important regional power. The relationship, ever since Khomeini took power, has been mega-antagonistic. They had a puppet, they lost their puppet, the Shah, they need that oil and gas….

    It's still about who's going to rule over Eurasia.
    @12:59

    Sr. Escobar goes on to identify the perp behind the plan: Dr. Zbig Brzezinski, who misconceived the insanely hubristic doctrine of full-spectrum dominance.

    Why are we fighting bogus holy wars in Eurasia (wars of occupation count: we have nukes all over Europe, right up to Iran's own borders)? It's the dominance, dammit! The publicly-announced cover stories will fixed around ZB's plan. That's why they're essentially myths. But that doesn't make them lies.

    "The sky is made of luminous blue jello." That's a lie, a distortion of factual and verifiable circumstances.

    "The US must dominate Eurasia, to protect our position of sole superpower." That's a myth. See how it offers unspoken insights into a way of being in the world, namely, as gods among mere mortals? ZB's plan involves terrorizing the planet into submission. Why should they bother with winning hearts and minds, when they can just blow them up and out of the way?

    The fact that that strategy has always failed miserably doesn't faze them one bit. War is the way they believe the world to have been made to work. Kinetic activity is the very hand of god, they believe.

    In SE Asia, a perfect example can be found in the plans of the USMC for a new base. There aren't enough islands in the archipelago of Japan for us, we actually plan to build an island just to occupy it. And we plan on spending decades doing it.

    That's a perfect metaphor of Pax Americana under full-spectrum dominance. "DoD is GoD. You will submit! You have the freedom to do and think and say exactly what we tell you to. Only "evil-doers" ask questions. What are you, some kind of evil-doer, too? Show me your papers, please."

  10. It is fitting that aw.com uses the images of the police state in its “fund raising” drive…

    The bullhorn, siren and flahing light. Much the same tactics that the USG uses to scare the sleeping people into submission and to steal their money.

  11. Welcome to American Fundraising Drives!

    You know what to do…

  12. As a paleocon, while I have never supported the left I can sure agree with your reasoning. And if a "lefty" came out and said directly that he would bring home foreign troops, He would have my vote. After all, I'd rather see my money go down the mousehole of welfare programs than the rathole of perpetual war.

  13. Maybe the point is not so much whether Osama is dead or is still alive, but that the narrative has shifted. In the context of increasing war and chaos he is no longer necessary as a demon.

  14. You can sure tell how ole scotty there envy's and is jealous of Pepe. How he gets to have such a great "reporter" like Pepe on his show is beyond me, but it was great to hear Pepe and also quite fun to analyze Scott's behavior as he realizes how small he really is against such a high caliber of a person as Escobar. Scott,

    Face it,
    your too basic
    and your never gonna make it,
    like children running through Antarctica
    – buck naked

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