Scott Horton Interviews Ray McGovern

Scott Horton, June 04, 2010

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Ray McGovern, former senior analyst at the CIA, discusses the 1967 Israeli attack on the USS Liberty, LBJ’s personal intervention that stopped the Navy from responding to the Liberty distress call and the two most likely explanations for the attack: Israel’s desire to assault the Golan Heights without US foreknowledge and to cover up the execution of Egyptian prisoners of war.

MP3 here. (10:11)

Ray McGovern was a CIA analyst for 27 years, from the John F. Kennedy administration to that of George H. W. Bush. His articles appear on Consortium News and Antiwar.com.

24 Responses to “Ray McGovern”

  1. Pathetic:
    1: it happened 43 years ago
    2: it was obviously an accident. As if Israel would risk war with the US

  2. Revenge is a dish best served cold.

    Remember the Liberty!

  3. Turkey should declare war on Israel – Israel's attack on a Turkish flagged ship in international waters is cut and dried, no freaking questions asked – an Act Of War.

    They should then, being a NATO member, assert Article 5 of the agreement: NATO would either have to help Turkey in it's defense against Israel or publicly admit it's utter worthlessness – which would go a long way to finally dismantling this hideous relic.

    As well-equipped as Israel's forces may be (by the USA) Turkey would probably dismantle them fairly quickly – barring outside (US/UK) help.

    This is a Golden Opportunity for both Turkey taking it's place as the Central Hub into Central Asian waters, it''s regional influence, and once and for all ending the idiotic illusion that they will ever become part of EU – who the fuck would want to at this point, anyway!?!

    Take the shot man, you're in the driver's seat, Turkey!

  4. Obviously an accident? Read any one of the several books on that subject to include James Bamford's 'Body of Secrets," a book about the NSA in general. Here's an excerpt from an article about some of what that book revealed (http://hnn.us/articles/191.html)

    —–

    As the slaughter continued, neither the Israelis nor the Liberty crew had any idea that witnesses were present high above. Until now, that is. According to information, interviews and documents obtained, for nearly 35 years the NSA has hidden the fact that one of its planes – a Navy EC-121 ferret – was overhead at the time of the incident, eavesdropping on what was going on below. The interceptions from that plane, which answer some of the key questions about the attack, are among the NSA's deepest secrets.

    The ferret had taken off from Athens for its regular patrol of the eastern Mediterranean, and at about the time that the air attack was getting underway, Navy Chief Petty Officer Marvin Nowicki heard one of the other Hebrew linguists on the plane excitedly trying to get his attention on the secure intercom. "Hey, chief," he shouted, "I've got really odd activity on UHF. They mentioned an American flag. I don't know what's going on."

    —–

    During the attack, they put up their huge "holiday ensign" (flag):
    http://www.usslibertyinquiry.com/arguments/americ

    Except:

    "In this case, the sworn testimony is unanimous: Throughout the day of June 8, 1967, USS Liberty flew an American flag. Prior to the attack, USS Liberty flew her normal-sized flag or "steaming ensign." During and after the attack, she flew her larger-sized "holiday ensign." (The Count of Inquiry record cites estimates of these flags' physical size being 5' x 8' and 7' x 13', respectively. On page VIII of the court record appendix, "Point 6" cites the ship's flag sizes being regulation sizes 9 and 7, respectively.) "

    —–

    So, I suggest that you learn something before opening your mouth on the subject.

  5. And risk the wrath of AIPAC? Har! Our government is OWNED by AIPAC, insurance companies, banks, the MIC, anyone but US.

  6. Craig Murray (who Scott should interview) is good on the NATO implications:
    http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2010/06/is

    Excerpt follows:
    "I was in the British Foreign and Commonwealth Office for over 20 years
    and a member of its senior management structure for six years, I served
    in five countries and took part in 13 formal international negotiations,
    including the UN Convention of the Law of the Sea and a whole series of
    maritime boundary treaties. I headed the FCO section of a
    multidepartmental organisation monitoring the arms embargo on Iraq.

    I am an instinctively friendly, open but unassuming person who always
    found it easy to get on with people, I think because I make fun of
    myself a lot. I have in consequence a great many friends among
    ex-colleagues in both British and foregin diplomatic services, security
    services and militaries.

    I lost very few friends when I left the FCO over torture and rendition.
    In fact I seemed to gain several degrees of warmth with a great many
    acquantances still on the inside. And I have become known as a reliable
    outlet for grumbles, who as an ex-insider knows how to handle a discreet
    and unintercepted conversation.

    What I was being told last night was very interesting indeed. NATO HQ in
    Brussels is today a very unhappy place. There is a strong understanding
    among the various national militaries that an attack by Israel on a NATO
    member flagged ship in international waters is an event to which NATO is
    obliged – legally obliged, as a matter of treaty – to react.

    I must be plain – nobody wants or expects military action against
    Israel. But there is an uneasy recognition that in theory that ought to
    be on the table, and that NATO is obliged to do something robust to
    defend Turkey.

    Mutual military support of each other is the entire raison d'etre of
    NATO. You must also remember that to the NATO military the freedom of
    the high seas guaranteed by the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea is a
    vital alliance interest which officers have been conditioned to uphold
    their whole career.

    That is why Turkey was extremely shrewd in reacting immediately to the
    Israeli attack by calling an emergency NATO meeting. It is why, after
    the appalling US reaction to the attack with its refusal to name Israel,
    President Obama has now made a point of phoning President Erdogan to
    condole."

    But the unhappiness in NATO HQ runs much deeper than that, I spoke
    separately to two friends there, from two different nations. One of them
    said NATO HQ was "a very unhappy place". The other described the
    situation as "Tense – much more strained than at the invasion of Iraq".

  7. ttp://edition.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/07/09/uss.liberty.tapes/

  8. THE OFFICIAL TAPES ARE DIFFERENT THAN WHAT McGovern SAYS.

    McGovern IS A LIAR
    http://edition.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/07/09/uss

  9. Thanks so much hardtruth for your excellent post and your "inside" view… The NATO implications were not on my radar, and the U.S. media is largely silent on "who has what rights where" except to empower the IDF extraterritorially.

    It is becoming more and more obvious who it (the secret government) IS, and it's NOT American, or British…and in NO way the U.N…. Just the dancing monkey to empire's tune…. One would think the naked reality could be construed as highly dangerous, as the mask slips just a bit and we get our glimpse at the face of the grinder…

  10. Jeez, Guy, you think the facts are changed by your self-righteous denial? What is truly pathetic is not this interview, but your ignorance of the facts. Read the other replies, and do your homework before shooting off your mouth

  11. RE: "As if Israel would risk war with the US" – Guy
    FROM WIKIPEDIA: …The Lavon Affair refers to the scandal over a failed Israeli covert operation in Egypt known as Operation Susannah, in which Israeli military intelligence planted bombs in Egyptian, American and British-owned targets in Egypt in the summer of 1954 in the hopes that "the Muslim Brotherhood, the Communists, 'unspecified malcontents' or 'local nationalists'" would be blamed.[1] It became known as the Lavon Affair after the Israeli defense minister Pinhas Lavon, who was forced to resign because of the incident, or euphemistically as the Unfortunate Affair (Hebrew: העסק הביש‎, HaEsek HaBish). In 2005, Israeli President Moshe Katzav honored the nine Egyptian Jewish agents who were involved.[2]…
    SOURCE – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavon_Affair

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  13. You are an ignorant man.

  14. Why did it take 43 years and a court order to release tapes that 'proved' it was an accident? Why didn't Congress insist on this 43 years ago to absolve any suggestion that Israel attacked the ship deliberately?

    I smell a rat…

  15. You cut this interview short?! If you need some volunteer interviewers because of time concerns or pay issues, just give me a list of questions that HAVE to be answered and send me in! These things need to be told.

  16. When Americans wake up to who runs the US Congress, Executive branch and is gaining controlling representation in the Supreme Court–AND–to who the key players were in 9/11 and the mass media (complicit) cover-up, all hell will break loose on the real evildoers of this world. Companies who construct gallows should be gearing up for business.

    The people of our once proud nations must wake up, or be forced awake, and take a hard stand against their criminality!

    Will this be a Summer of rage? With the criminal Israelis still pushing for more wars for their evil gains, and the economy in the tank, it should be!

  17. Calling people liars and use of foul language is not appropriate at this forum.

    By extension you are also calling the survivors of the USS Liberty liars. It is obvious that you are a Zionist who has no respect for the sailors who were abandoned by the US government so as not to embarrass Israel. Please listen/read to the evidence provided by these brave sailors.

  18. Was LBJ just worried about embarrassing an ally? Or was he worried that Israel could embarrass him?

    As Jeff Gates writes in Guilt By Association:

    The Krims became regular guests at the LBJ Ranch. As [Grace] Halsell explained: “There were also many instances in which Arthur and Mathilde were guests at the White House, and other times when, for many days running, Mathilde—without her husband—was a guest there. The Krims built a vacation home near the LBJ Ranch known as Mathilde’s house, and Johnson often traveled there by helicopter.”

  19. A New York attorney and president of United Artists, Krim also served as finance committee chairman for the Democratic Party when Johnson was its leader and Jewish contributors accounted for more than half the funds raised.

    Mathilde Krim, a striking blonde Italian 20 years younger than her husband, was previously married to Davin Danon. Raised in Palestine, her handsome Jewish-Bulgarian husband was exiled by the
    British for his activities with Irgun Zvai Leumi, the Zionist-terrorist network led by Menachem Begin who emerged as Likud Party Prime Minister in 1977. Mathilde also worked as an Irgun operative, largely in Europe.

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  21. There are some excellent lines in the movie "Sin City" delivered by the politico crime lord character Senator Roark , that nicely sum up the nature of Israel's hold over the US (putting aside Mossad having the goods on every filanderer, closet queer, kiddy fiddler, and embezzler in Congress (ie. almost all of them) ).

    "Power don't come from a badge or a gun. Power comes from lying. Lying big and gettin' the whole damn world to play along with you. Once you've got everybody agreeing with what they know in their hearts ain't true, you've got 'em by the balls."

    and

    "Everyone would lie for me. Everyone who counts. Otherwise, their own lies — everything that runs Sin City — it all comes tumbling down like a pack of cards."

    Good audio samples (Powers Boothe plays Roark) for Scott's show perhaps.

  22. I guess it is wrong to believe the US government? And U R the one who decides what Americans are to believe

    Again I showed the tapes they do not support what that LIAR McGoveron said

  23. A reader of antiwar.com

    calls for war.

    I am just so shocked.

  24. this is also aired on a normal radio station (not just the internet), hence the time constraints

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