Scott Horton Interviews Will Grigg

Scott Horton, June 26, 2010

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Will Grigg, author of Liberty in Eclipse, discusses the police assault on bedridden 86-year old Lona Varner, the dissolution of the chronically-troubled Maywood CA police department and the trend toward military-style civilian law enforcement.

MP3 here. (20:38)

Will Grigg writes the blog Pro Libertate, hosts a show on the Liberty News Radio Network and is the author of Liberty in Eclipse.

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  2. Hey Scott

    I think Matt Drudge must be listening to your show, re the Will Grigg link on his site. Which is brilliant.
    And it makes sense that he might be. I used to listen to his show, it was good.

    So for goddsake don’t trash him on air for any reason! If I were you, I wouldn’t say anything about him one way or the other. I reckon there will be quite a few mainstream conservatives who start listening to your show now you are at LRN, especially in its early days. So you will have to get Ambrose Evans Pritchard on to talk about OKC bombing. (I know – he won’t.) You should interview Justin Raimondo again – you used to have him on often……

    I personally think there is a real libertarian inside Matt Drudge but he’s been slagged so much by psycho lefties that he’s really traumatized and a neocon for safety (in numbers).

  3. Police work attracts misfits, the kind who are psychologically dangerous when armed with authority.

    There are two kinds of cop: One stands behind his shield, the other hides behind his.
    There are too many of the latter assholes–as the Lona Varner incident proves.

  4. Will Griggs reminds me a bit of Jello Biafra. They both use awsome language. I’d love to hear Scott interview Jello Biafra.

  5. whats the song @ 9:31????

  6. For what it's worth, the ordinary police in China do not carry guns. They have a weighted rubber billy club and I'm sure they know martial arts. I sure wouldn't want to be arrested in China, because you always have to confess before your "trial." But the only time I see a gun is when the armored car company deliver cash to a branch bank.

  7. Maybe two decades ago, in voir dire for federal court in Manhattan, I was in the pool for a police brutality case. I said that I thought the police were routinely & gratuitously brutal, and would vote against the cop before even hearing the case. Can't imagine why I wasn't selected for the jury. And it's gotten so much worse since then.

  8. Firehose – Brave Captain

  9. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l94v8u1Cv_o

  10. Hm….to me, the two types of cops are those who start off as thugs, and those who start off as wanna-be heroes and end up thugs anyway. I don't think the present system can be reformed at all. We have to face the fact that the very nature of police work creates a poisonous "us versus them" culture among policemen. It doesn't take very long for a policeman–one who joined to "serve and protect"– to start seeing the world in terms of cops, civilians, and perps; and whether a person is a civilian or a perp depends entirely on subjective, in the moment thinking.

    What we need are police that are professionals. Plumbers, for example, are professionals. I have never in my life heard of plumber forcing his way into someone's house and fixing their pipes for them against their will. Not once. Doctors, also, are mostly constrained from treating someone against their will. So should the police be constrained from acting unless a person with a legitimate complaint–someone has committed violence or fraud against them–has specifically asked them to intervene. A policeman could act to stop any violence or fraud he witnesses under the idea of an implied complaint, just as a doctor uses "implied consent" to treat an unconscious patient. If a victim later objected, the police would have to drop the case.

    Of course, it would be difficult and complicated to implement; but it would also, for example, end the "drug war" and make the police the public servants they're supposed to be.

  11. I strongly disagree with this idea that all cops are thugs. Sure there are a few who have their own agendas but anywhere you see that is the norm. I don't condone the brutalities that are committed by some but to judge them all collectively is just plain wrong and unfair. There are plenty of decent and honest people in the different PDs.
    Look at the way the economy is going, look at the rampant drug use and the gangs. When economy goes down the crime level goes up, thats basic. They have a hard job and its not getting easier with every passing day.
    If we want to portion out blame then everyone should get their share. All of us are guilty, if not by collusion then by ignorance.

  12. Has anyone reviewed the G20 disturbances in Toronto? Just who were the Black Bloc? Nothing like having the NWO shoved down our throats. Innocents standing observing, eating the all American McDonalds, are rounded up and charged with a newly instated law that gives the police unlimited powers. Police brutality like in the army. The two start to blend until the focus is one.

  13. The police file charges not the citizens, this needs to be reversed. Who pushes this us against them agenda? We are kept fighting amongst ourselves to the benefit of others who do not work but feed off the witches brew they stir up. One can not compete with the benefits of free tuition and books or the pay a Captain receives for his service, as an example. Which department has the strongest lobby and why?

  14. Oh jhonkarlos, you naive little fellow. You, like all the "other ones," clearly lack the wisdom and sound judgement that our heroes in blue develop during their rigorous police training. What is this nonsense you say: the police should wait until someone asks for their help before helping them? How can the common simpleton be trusted to decide when he needs help? If he were capable of identifying his need for help, he would likely be capable of characterizing the type of help he needs, in what quantity it is needed, and from whom he should accept that help. Now, you may be some smarty-pants guy, but I don't remember learning about that stuff in government school. That kind of information would be detrimental to national security if everyone knew about it.

  15. That's why our benevolent government has all these people out there doing that for you. You see, you have to ascend to much higher levels of society (police, bureaucracy, or right on up to the BIG SHOW–national politics!) to get the kind of training you need to be in charge of your own life. Until you do, you should do the right thing for your country (which might be hard at first, but just look to your brave leaders for advice and things should go swimmingly) and just "assume the position" and wait for a passing constable to determine whether you should be allowed to wander unsupervised or committed to one of our many warm-and-fuzzy institutions of state protection. And fear not, if you haven't done anything wrong (such as lying aggressively in a hospital bed), you don't have anything to be afraid of.

  16. Mr. Grigg is correct. America has been devolving into a totalitarian police state for some time now. The situation is now intolerable. Tyranny has come to America. The only solution to problem I know is simply this: remember, remember, the elections this November. The people; on a local, state and national level; need to rise up and vote out of office every encumbent (with the lone exception of Ron Paul) politician in America. That would, at the very least, get the attention of our rulers. And, if that doesn't work, I'm sure the American people don't need to be told what to do next. See you at the voting booths. V.

  17. Does anyone know much about Somalian anarchy? Grigg suggests that it wasn't that bad, but to me it seemed that militias took over and extorted people. And violently fought among themselves.
    btw, although the new ad breaks on the show are annoying, at least Scott has EPMD and Schooly D (I think?) as the cues and all that punk stuff I know little about. Cheers Scott.

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