Scott Horton Interviews Gareth Porter

Scott Horton, October 21, 2010

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Gareth Porter, independent historian and journalist for IPS News, discusses the U.N. fact finding mission that concluded Israeli commandos executed flotilla-activist and U.S. citizen Furkan Dogan, the media blackout (and silence from the Obama administration) on the U.N. report and any discussion of Israel’s culpability and how the threshold for using lethal force was lowered after initial boarding attempts by the Israeli commandos were thwarted.

MP3 here. (18:11)

Gareth Porter is an independent historian and journalist. He is the author of Perils of Dominance: Imbalance of Power and the Road to War in Vietnam. His articles appear on Counterpunch, Huffington Post, Inter Press Service News Agency and Antiwar.com

20 Responses to “Gareth Porter”

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  2. Nothing new here. Seeing as Uncle Sam is Tel-Avivs "Beyotch".

  3. No doubt this is a tragic story and nice to hear Porter again. However, again Horton misses a point. Malaysia does not recognise the existence of Israel. Having worked there for some time I can testify to this fact. So Horton is incorrect, it is exactly like Syria and maintains close contacts with groups such as Hamas.

  4. The Zionist criminals in Tel Aviv can commit any crime, any outrage against the U.S. and its citizens, and get away with it. The U.S. Government is Israel's bitch.

    The U.S. Government's "craven cowardice," as Porter aptly calls it, is equalled by the Turkish Government's failure to vindicate its murdered citizens. I was hoping that Turkey would declare war on Israel. However, the Turks dishonored themselves.

  5. The report concluded that as Furkan laid on his back, on the deck in a conscience or semi-conscience manner, he was fired upon at point blank range in the face which caused "tattooing around his face…and what does the american government say??? their silence is a betrayal to the oath they swore,it is a violation of the constitution, it is a crime against humanity and since THEY USED AMERICAN SUPPLIED WEAPONS it violateds our laws…

  6. Nothing new here. As with Hariri, when one runs afoul of Israel assassination becomes the diagnosis, prescription and order of the day. This is not the first violence perpetrated on American citizens by Israel. Remember the USS Liberty and Rachael Corrie?

  7. If any of this was ever reported in US media it would immediately be disqualified on the grounds of being 'anti-semitic'. Israel exists in a moral-free zone and anyone who questions or exposes that is by definition a 'classic anti-semite nazi'. CNN isn't going to bring this out. Nor NPR. Nor Jon Stewart or Colbert. Not Olberman or Maddow. Not even Bill Maher who covered for Israel like an IDF spokesman after the assault on the Mavi Marmara. The politicians who would dare to question this are not even a whole handful: Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich. There I named them all. That's it. The rest are more Israeli than American.

  8. Of course, Turkey blaststhe living daylights out of Kurds, deports them, prosecutes them, denies the genocides of Assyrians, Greeks, and Armenians, jails journalists, murders Christian clergy, has long destroyed or confiscated Christian churches, indulges in the worst types of anti-Semitism and yet you Antiwar and rabid anti-Israel types say nothing whatsover about Turkey, even though it is with American weapons, dollars, and implicit approval that Turkey does all these things.

    You people are a bunch of phonies when it comes to human rights. Ever criticized other countries in the Middle East besides Israel, who get lots of US money, such as Egypt and Jordan, who have lousy human rights records? Um, no , just Israel comes in for criticism. Seems like you have an agenda.

    You Antiwar groupies are such hypocrites and phonies that it boggles the mind.
    You are beyond pathetic and can't give an intelligent answer. Consider yourself beaten.

  9. He got what he deserved…Israel had to just topredo the ship…

  10. Of course, Israel blasts the living daylights out of Palestinians, builds a wall round them, bulldoze their homes, deny freedom of movement, prosecutes them, and supports the genocides of Assyrians, Greeks, and Armenians, jails journalists, murders Christian and Muslim clergy, has long destroyed or confiscated Palestinian homes, indulges in the worst types of Gentile-phobia and yet you AIPAC-ers and rabid Israel-firster types say nothing whatsover about your support of apartheid South Africa, World Zionist Organizations support of Adolf Hitler in the 1930s, The Holodomor genocide, the USS Liberty!, sex-trade and human organ trafficking…etc. etc. etc.

    Unfortunately, you're a phony when it comes to human rights. Can anyone criticize Israel besides you Israel-firsters?

    AIPAC-er groupies are such hypocrites and phonies that it boggles the mind.
    You are beyond pathetic and can't give an intelligent answer. Consider yourself beaten.

  11. This is my first visit to antiwar.com and this was the first post/audio clip I experienced.

    Shame on you for posting this piece! How much more pro-war could you be?
    Gaza is under military blockade because its government (Hamas) is actively at war with Israel. A group decides it will confront the Israeli military blockade by announcing its intentions and come face to face with miltary force. Of course people will get hurt and a tragedy ensue. The people that participated in this operation had by their own actions declared war on Israel.

    Don't say that this was a humanitarian operation – Israel has check points for allowing humanitarian aide, even as this clip admits the 'flotilla' was organized for political purposes.

  12. "…and yet you Antiwar and rabid anti-Israel types say nothing whatsover about Turkey, even though it is with American weapons, dollars, and implicit approval that Turkey does all these things. You people are a bunch of phonies when it comes to human rights. Ever criticized other countries in the Middle East besides Israel, who get lots of US money, such as Egypt and Jordan, who have lousy human rights records? Um, no , just Israel comes in for criticism. Seems like you have an agenda."

    No, Sarah, there is no agenda because if us 'antiwar groupies' could work our will the empire would be dismantled and so can no longer continue putting other countries that are perfectly capable of defending themselves on the dole. Neither one cent nor one bullet would find its way to the Middle East or Turkey and there would be no more American intervention in their internal political affairs. Fair enough, no? A non-interventionist foreign policy would end the 'war on terror' within a month or two as radical takfiri insurgents like al-Qaeda are forced to deal with, well, basically the rest of the Muslim world which would launch a counter-insurgency that would be far more efficacious than our own inflammatory presence in the region. Now, Sarah, why can't this policy be implemented or even discussed in the media when so many experts agree that it would end the conflict and yank America away from the edge of the precipice? Who keeps pulling us back in and why? What's your answer to that? It is you who are beaten.

  13. Stephen and Philippe:
    You did not address my point: Antiwar and many of its followers are so obsessed with Israel that they do not talk much about other Middle East countries' – Turkey, Egypt etc. – many human rights violations. Those countries also being supported and armed by the US.

    I never argued that Israel was always right. I argued that Antiwar was being one-sided by criticizing Israel almost entirely.

    Turkey is simultaneously doing things that are worse than what Israel is doing. Why can't Antiwar slam both of them? Why is Egypt let off the hook?

    You wish the US would stop supporting all of these countries. Fine. My point is that Antiwar concentrates so much on Israel that Antiwar appears to be biased, which it is.

    Why is it that the only time we have seen Antiwar criticize Turkey is on the Sibel Edmonds issue?

    US weapons have been put in Turkey's hands and it uses them against Kurds. RIght now Turkey is putting Kurds on trial.

    Antiwar can't comment on this because why? Address the issue please.

  14. Sarah, the points were addressed quite plainly when I observed that Antiwar supporters would rather not care at all what happens with any of these countries–subventions for foreign governments would cease on our watch–but due to the neocon dream of global democratic hegemony, America is unnecessarily drawn into all the world's quarrels and to that we object. It's as simple as this: no imperial meddling, no terrorism or anti-American rancor. If it seems that Antiwar.com "appears to be biased" and unduly dumps on Israel it is because the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is the penultimate generator of international jihadism–the gravest security threat America faces–which in turn permits politicians to goad America in the direction of perpetual war. It is Israel that insists that we intervene in the region to take out all the non-compliant regimes and jihadists groups that they reflexively label as enemies of Israel. They are, however, mistaken in doing so. All of the other jihadist groups that preceded al-Qaeda were local, concerned only with opposing their own autocratic governments and had no pretensions towards a worldwide jihad; the Israeli-Palestinian conflict was ancillary to them and the Egyptian jihadists were not averse to Anwar Sadat's conciliatory gestures towards Israel. But, unfortunately, our abasement before the Israeli Right and their stonewalling of the peace process gave sufficient time for takfiri ideologues to form organizations and seize on this failure to galvanize those Muslims who were disaffected by the Israeli occupation and urged them to join al-Qaeda so Bin Laden could advance his own agenda of creating anew the Caliphate.

    In short, it is Israel's policies and the sycophantic backing of them by AIPAC that have driven America to the brink of insolvency to fight wars for regime change and social engineering that never ought to have occurred. It is the Israeli lobby and neocons that preclude any sane debate about altering our Middle Eastern foreign policy which, in their hands, has proven to be an unimaginable catastrophe.

  15. Google News Search – Mel Gibson is an anti semite – 1012 hits

    Google News Search – Furkan Dogan executed – 13 hits

    Your claim of bias falls on deaf ears.

  16. Here is an answer to your "why us?" query from Uri Avnery:

    "Why is there no worldwide movement against the atrocities of the Russians in Chechnya or the Chinese in Tibet? Why only against us? Why do the Palestinians deserve more sympathy than the Kurds in Turkey? One could answer that since Israel demands special treatment in all other matters, we are measured by special standards when it comes to the occupation and the settlements. But logic doesn’t matter. It’s the national myths that count…"

  17. I see a lot hollow talk. You want to put a stop to things like? Then start be removing the US from it role in the affairs of other countries. To do this will require a complete overthaul of our goverement. Since we know voting is pointless, we will have use other methods. Spend your time thinking on THAT instead. Otherwise nothing is going to change.

  18. Sarah:

    Arguing that "they do it too" is a classic logical fallacy known as "tu quoque". Or as both your and my mothers taught us early, two wrongs don't make a right. I'm sure we agree on that moral principle already.

    I for one am absolutely willing and have criticized the appalling human rights records of ALL US colonial allies in the Middle East, including Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Iraq, Afghanistan, Turkey, AND Israel, that unsinkable imperial US aircraft carrier in the Middle East.

    The sooner the US dismantles its empire and stops stuffing the region full with troops and weapons and bribes and support for dictators and occupiers, the better for all concerned, including Israelis.

  19. Sarah:

    When I queried Yahoo.com using the search terms Kurds and Turkey and restricted the search to antiwar.com, I got <a href="http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=A0oGdVk6fMNMekYAR9tXNyoA?p=Kurds+Turkey&vs=antiwar.com&vf=all&fr=moz35&fr2=sb-top&xargs=0&pstart=1&b=1&xa=dHy7SUBEvCkPGRR7D_lrzQ–,1287966138">this listing for what it's worth…
    http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=A0oGdVk6fMNMe

  20. Sarah:

    Try searching for Kurds and Turkey and antiwar.com and you'll find pages of hits.

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