Scott Horton Interviews Gareth Porter

Scott Horton, September 07, 2011

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Gareth Porter, independent historian and journalist for IPS News, discusses the two recent Washington Post articles on the growth and evolution of CIA and JSOC; how the creation of “career track” government jobs gave new life to the unsuccessful drone war in Pakistan; CIA analysts who doubt the wisdom of policy decisions but lack the opportunity to officially object; the logic of the “permanent war state;” and why we can expect future blowback from US efforts to befriend Libya’s jihadists.

MP3 here. (20:09)

Gareth Porter is an independent historian and journalist. He is the author of Perils of Dominance: Imbalance of Power and the Road to War in Vietnam. His articles appear on Counterpunch, Huffington Post, Inter Press Service News Agency and Antiwar.com.

3 Responses to “Gareth Porter”

  1. Tangentially related, Juan Cole is a CIA consultant & FBI "investigation" of him may have been a psyops to burnish his reputation on the left. http://www.counterpunch.org/2011/08/30/meet-profe

  2. [...] had on the other Scott Horton to discuss the ominous Cheney Doctrine still influencing U.S. policy. Gareth Porter traced the evolution of the CIA to its current, post-9/11 incarnation. Jason Ditz explained the [...]

  3. I don’t know about Gareth Porter “not knowing about oil” statement. Libya has nearly the largest untapped reservoir of “light sweet crude” on the globe. So that’s just one good reason for the TRANS-National Extraction Industry (who basically run US foreign policy) to take down Libya, many more outlined in John Perkins’ “Confessions of an Economic Hit Man” who described them as “the Jackals”. Plus, part of the Libyan “resistance” leaders are “free-market” types who defected from Ghadaffi because they were against his opposition to opening up Libya to the “free-trader” “flat-earth” neo-libs/cons of the Chicago School. With NATO fully in on this it’s been brought up that Libya will be the NEW HOME of U.S. AFRICOM, much-maligned and much-rejected by EVERY African nation thus far.

    Perhaps Mr. Porter really doesn’t understand about how resources (oil in this case) fit into this but he would be remiss in not taking into account this huge motive (resource extraction), which underlies the Iraq and Afghanistan conflicts. General Wesley Clark said to Democracy Now back on March 2, 2007: “”About ten days after 9/11, I went through the Pentagon and I saw Secretary Rumsfeld and Deputy Secretary Wolfowitz. I went downstairs just to say hello to some of the people on the Joint Staff who used to work for me, and one of the generals called me in. He said, “Sir, you’ve got to come in and talk to me a second.” I said, “Well, you’re too busy.” He said, “No, no.” He says, “We’ve made the decision we’re going to war with Iraq.” This was on or about the 20th of September. I said, “We’re going to war with Iraq? Why?” He said, “I don’t know.” He said, “I guess they don’t know what else to do.” So I said, “Well, did they find some information connecting Saddam to al-Qaeda?” He said, “No, no.” He says, “There’s nothing new that way. They just made the decision to go to war with Iraq.” He said, “I guess it’s like we don’t know what to do
    about terrorists, but we’ve got a good military and we can take down
    governments.” And he said, “I guess if the only tool you have is a hammer,
    every problem has to look like a nail.”
    So I came back to see him a few weeks later, and by that time we were
    bombing in Afghanistan. I said, “Are we still going to war with Iraq?” And
    he said, “Oh, it’s worse than that.” He reached over on his desk. He picked up a piece of paper. And he said, “I just got this down from upstairs” — meaning the Secretary of Defense’s office — “today.” And he said, “This is a memo that describes how we’re going to take out seven countries in five years, starting with Iraq, and then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and, finishing off, Iran.”
    It seems Gen. Clark was spot on with this four years ago and the Obama Administration and NATO countries are all in too now.

    I would like to hear Mr.Porter’s analysis of how this ties into a potential new AFRICOM base for the U.S. and The West’s motives for ousting the Ghadaffi regime by way of CIA and other covert operatives and its Empire needing to expand its control over global resources especially in the Mid-East.
    -fsr

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