Scott Horton Interviews Michael Scheuer

Scott Horton, September 18, 2011

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This interview was broadcast on KPFK 90.7 FM Los Angeles on September 16th.

Michael Scheuer, 22-year veteran of the CIA and former head analyst at the CIA’s bin Laden unit, discusses why Ron Paul is right on foreign policy and Rick Santorum is a “gasbag;” how US military occupations and support for Israel and autocratic Arab governments radicalize Muslims in a way our “degenerate” culture fails to; why the 9/11 Commission report is a whitewash; how the Bush and Obama administrations fulfilled Osama bin Laden’s goals for him; why the war of civilizations (if it happens) should be labeled “made by the Ivy League;” why Arab Spring reformist governments need to worry if the US will let them remain in power or not; and why US government officials act like the heirs of the French Revolution when they travel the world, spreading democracy at the barrel of a gun.

MP3 here. (29:57)

Michael Scheuer is a 22-year veteran of the CIA and former head analyst at the CIA’s bin Laden unit. He is the author of Osama Bin Laden, Marching Toward Hell: America and Islam After Iraq and Imperial Hubris: Why the West is Losing the War on Terror.

27 Responses to “Michael Scheuer”

  1. So what happens if Ron Paul doesn't become president in 2012? Another term of the maintaining the status quo in terms of foreign policy will mean definitely mean war with Iran which will be a serious war against a country skilled in asymmetrical warfare, suicide bombers a huge standing army, a navy and an air force (not that their navy or air force are anything substantial compared to that of the US). Hezbollah was a brigade of 1000 fighters and they managed to hold off the Israelis for a whole month. What will a war against a country of tens of millions of people mean for Israel? They will suffer so many losses that they will use nukes, or they will force their slaves in the US to use nukes. I think that another presidential term with a neo-con foreign policy may just be the last nail in the coffin of America because if you have a gigantic war you will give the federal government every pretext that it needs to take away your civil liberties and if you protest against this war you will be seen as "a traitor and unpatriotic. "

    This is the side of Michael Scheuer that I like as opposed to the one who promotes the Bin Laden/9-11 hoax.

  2. As for all of you people on here who think that Ron Paul is a phony because he won't admit that Israel/CIA were responsible for 9/11 just imagine what would happen to him if he did. It would give the press all the fodder that it needs in order to commit character assassination against him.

    Right now there is a conspiracy of silence against Ron Paul – the press simply refuses to talk about him despite the fact that he dominates every single GOP debate and makes his opponents look like pea-brians. They do this because Ron Paul is too clean. He's been married to the same woman for decades, doesn't have any extramarital affairs and isn't guilty of any form of corruption. Ben Stein called indirectly him an anti-semite in their debate on CNN, but that was such an unwarranted cheap shot that it didn't stick. Now if Ron Paul said that 9/11 was an inside job the press would talk about nothing but Ron Paul and the headlines would mention how he is a conspiracy-kook, etc.

    So just because he won't publicly speak the truth about 9/11 it doesn't make him a phony like that idiot Gordon Duff at Veterans Today claims – the only proof you need that Gordon Duff is controlled opposition telling people that the one man who can actually exact change in America's foreign policy through his election as president should be "thrown under a bus."

  3. Looks to me more like O & Hillary et al are trying to make the U.S. more like the oppressive dictatorships of the ME than bring freedumb to them.

  4. Very poor countries are often that the pointy end of the U.S. sphere bc of some imagined slight in the past. One good example is Haiti; how DARE those black slaves become independent & create their own free nation. Somalia in on the list. You know what the rest of them are…

  5. The urge to 'convert' others comes from the Roman period predating the coming of Christianity. We seem to believe that there should be only one economic model, one political ideology and one sense of morality in the world, that of ours. This is dangerous it's utopic just like that others wanted the whole world to be communist or fascist or christian or muslem. This has led to endless conflicts and centuries of bloodshed. After 9/11 we in the West said we will defend our way of life by force if necessary. And that we won't bow to the 'islamofascists' and guess what we went to war in Afghanistan and Iraq and many other countries "to defend our way of life". What makes us think that others won't do the same and defend what is sacred to them ? And what makes us think that others will bow for us ?

  6. As far as I can tell, the jeering directed at Congressman Paul really intensified when he mentioned the Palestinians. Remember, this is a Tea Party debate, and a lot of these people are the same old Moral Majority/Christian Right types Margolis mentioned earlier: yokels, but often well-off, and completely clueless.

  7. It is sad that michael actually does not understand what is going on in egypt and the rest of the arab world. "islamic" extremist will never rule. the only way they will if the american administration decided to fund a coup to take down a fully democratic anti-israel government an install an extremist despot they can control. But arabs are out of the dark ages to be chess pieces and US is own of gas for running the world. Game over. I dont blame you michael, many western intellectuals were taken by surprise with the arab sping. As for arabs, we knew it would happen eventually, but not so soon. The US is more likely to head towards religous extremism as the economy gets worse and evangelical ideology become even more widespread. It may not be too late for the US, but something ought to change things soon. I look forward to October 6 http://warisacrime.org/content/october-6-occupy-w

  8. No religion morality — Do gooder perfection — Peace maker for our time

    So, ridiculous is the idea that the purpose of this world is to prove the harm in it. And so, if enough of us work hard enough, then the basic good in all of us can be improved to perfection and save the world we can from complete destruction. Comes now a no offense morality, a real door opener and a catalyst that will surely draw all men toward goodness.

    (1) Be celibate. And campaign for an appeal of the marriage law as it makes the separation of church and state impossible.

    (2) Eat nothing processed by man or animal. A vegetarian, low fat and perfect health diet.

    (3) Use no force to overcome crime or evil, how to be pacifist non-aggressive and most agreeable.

    (4) Pass your excessive wealth down to those less educated where it belongs.

    (5) Believe this day of life is more then you deserve, as it will give you a guilty conscience if ever you fail to give all you can give.

    (6) Do not use a pretense of good to hide your intent to be enriched upon the misery of another.

    (7) As love is a giving action that produces a grateful response, as a gift that only inflates pride does more harm then good, keep foremost on your mind that — this planet of the ingrates — surely has an unlimited room for improvement.

  9. Is this year 2000 Bush here from the past?

  10. Why they hate us
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAX313ddsnI

    THEY FIGHT FOR THE CALIPHATE

  11. This is the genius of Ron Paul. He can beat them with their own phoney arguments. Even if you buy into the complete 9/11 fable, Scheuer, Pape, and Paul still destroy their absurdist foreign policy.

  12. They primarily hate us because of your heinous polices within the Islamic World. This is not even debatable in the real world. And most of them do not hate you!

    Caliphate, you knowing nothing about the Caliphate, or the Caliph. These are just buzz words that obtuse bigots such as yourself employ. Some of the greatest Caliphs, like al-Ma'mun, were rationalists, others were not eveb pious Muslims.

  13. Thanks tree for helping to keep the discussion real… The Ole Caliphate canard..?? Really!!?? Yaa and thank you for calling the moron an "obtuse bigot" which is a lot closer to the truth than any "Caliphate"…….. GOOD WORK…. BRAV-OO…

  14. It's just so amazing how we can have a modern day founding father up there whooping everyone's a** in the debates and not only that, but making them look like idiots as well. The difference between Ron Paul and the other Republicans is like that of a college professor with a PhD compared to someone who never even went to school. His opponents are idiot they spout the same garbage as the press. In fact, I don't think most of those other clowns ever read a book in their pathetic lives. They obviously get their info from watching CNN and Fox news.

    The sad part is that Paul's message falls on many deaf ears. That guy is the man and stands for everything that's right but people are stupid and brainwashed that they either ignore the things he says, or disagree with them because they are Christian Zionists, etc.

  15. Damn straight.

    Doctor Paul is an intellectual and moral giant among the pygmies of the District of Corruption. Perry, Bachmann, Romney, Gingrich and the rest of those bought-and-paid-for hacks aren't fit to be on the same stage with him.

  16. Hey Scheurer, still waiting for Osama bin Laden to come to our rescue?

    ~~~~~~~~~ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqd6YvTJmDQ&fe

    SCHEURER: …because these politicians prize their office, prize the praise of the media and the Europeans. Only — it's an absurd situation. Again, only Osama can execute an attack which will force Americans to demand that their government protect them effectively, consistently, and with as much violence as necessary.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~
    http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-july-1-2009

    SCHEUER (vid clip Beck appearance: The only chance we have as a country right now is for Osama bin Laden to deploy and detonate a major weapon in the United States….only Osama can execute an attack which will force Americans to demand that their government protect them.

    STEWART: What the fuck is that? And by the way, here's the fascinating thing about our culture. My guess is that you didn't hear me say "fuck." Because the Federal government is protecting you and your children's ears from that type of profanity. While, Santa's evil twin gets to, uhh…gets to nonchalantly proposes the needless slaughter of Americans to further his national security plan. But, obviously, in this country, everyone's entitled to their dope-pinion.
    ~~~~~~~~~~

    And on The Colbert Report (http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/375742/february-28-2011/michael-scheuer) you asked, Why should US service-members fight and die in "someone else's religious war?" BECAUSE IT'S OUR RELIGIOUS WAR! We've been myth-jacked for the last 60some years by belief that cozying up to Israel gets you into heaven. Where you been since the end of WWII?

    While I'm ranting, do you still think the US "just got rid of Mubarak"? That we should just cut and run from the Israel-Palestine conflict we've done so much to prolong? (Never mind that we've never honestly, in good faith, supported the Palestinians.)

    PSYOP, or self-promotion? Either way, I won't be fooled again.

    (Special Request: Can you get Pepe Escobar on more often?)

  17. I think you fail to make the connect that Cheney and PNAC do not give a damn about US interests they just wanted personal profits via the MIC and thus Bin Laden (former employee) is perfect for their interest. Afghanistan was and is still not about bin Laden or Al Qaeda, it was about connecting a pipeline from the Caspian Sea down through Pakistan out to the sea for the open market and assuring it avoided Russia, China, and Iran. China finally got their own small one in 2005 through Turkmenistan. On the other side to break the Russian Monopoly of Alekperov & Lukoil the US pushed for the BTC line through Azerbaijan to Georgia to Turkey and assured it went through Georgia by having an uprising against Azerbaijan in Nagorno-Karabakh with the Armenians. On the other side it's quite clear Iraq was invaded for Israeli interest. Those were the rewards for Pakistan and Israel for assisting in 9/11.

  18. Sure there are some well said comments here, but it pretty much just reinforces the official lies from the government. Too bad there aren't more well-informed, honest individuals spreading the truth. Scheuer is helping destroy all that is good by helping perpetuate lies about Osama, etc. The truth movement is being taken mainstream by controlled opposition as was planned long ago. The plan includes informing the sheeple that 9/11 was a lie, but all whistle steering them away from the real perpetrators (Israel) and blaming everything on the U.S.

  19. Why did Scheuer get fired from Alec Station?

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  22. Raise your eyes a little and concentrate on the Rothschild/ freemason Grand Patron English royal lizard alliance and your job becomes easier and closer to the tumor affecting us all.

  23. Little Paulie needs to know what bravery is all about. Israel is a board game full of nasty people. The problem lies in those who institute Israel as a government and armed force. Without this support and protection, Israel is a vicious street gang, ONLY.

  24. I was happier when you rated me a 2. Israel was hired to help American zionists led by the Bush crowd do 911. Truth is eternal. Israel is a board game that someone's parents needs to put an end to.

  25. Sibel Edmonds says:

    @ 47:44 in her podcast: " … Michael Scheuer is not who he seems he is … He is one of the insider shady CIA guys … If the CIA doesn't want the information to get out, I don't care if you print that book under the name "Anonymous", they won't let you publish … if they don't want you to publish a book, you won't even get a publisher … It was approved. If you get an approved book by the CIA, you know that it is what the CIA wants to come out. Whatever comes out of that guy [Scheuer] is bull."
    http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/2011/09/23/podcas

  26. Sibel Edmonds says:

    @ 51:14 "Scheuer … nothing true comes out of this guy's mouth … OK? Nothing. This guy is a pathological liar. Which is one of the prerequisites to work for the CIA as an operative… It takes a certain personality, and pathological lying is one of the qualifications they look for … "

  27. I didagree, your intelligence is no way near to that of Michael's. Your argument is baseless and without any substance at all…shame on you.

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