Scott Horton Interviews Glenn Greenwald

Scott Horton, December 15, 2011

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Salon.com blogger Glenn Greenwald discusses his article “Obama to sign indefinite detention bill into law;” our return to the McCarthy era when indefinite detention was last codified in law; how the Levin/McCain bill just ties up legal loose ends to 10 years of official government policy previously justified by the AUMF; the broadened definition of terrorism, such that the president could target just about anyone; why we shouldn’t mistake Obama’s initial NDAA objections as a defense of liberty (he just doesn’t want Congress infringing on his near-dictatorial powers); why the progressive/liberal Left is not nearly as good on civil liberties now as during the Bush administration; the coalition of activists outside the mainstream who fight to preserve the Bill of Rights; and how the war on terror is increasingly focused on domestic issues, including this gem from Will Grigg.

MP3 here. (29:08)

Glenn Greenwald is a former Constitutional and civil rights litigator and is the author of two New York Times Bestselling books on the Bush administration’s executive power and foreign policy abuses. His just-released book, With Liberty and Justice for Some, is an indictment of America’s two-tiered system of justice, which vests political and financial elites with immunity even for egregious crimes while subjecting ordinary Americans to the world’s largest and most merciless penal state. Greenwald was named by The Atlantic as one of the 25 most influential political commentators in the nation. He is the recipient of the first annual I.F. Stone Award for Independent Journalism, and is the winner of the 2010 Online Journalism Association Award for his investigative work on the arrest and oppressive detention of Bradley Manning.

63 Responses to “Glenn Greenwald”

  1. WHY is antiWar.com so silent about Indefinite Detention !?!?!

    Have they already terrorized You and Your Followers into Silence?

  2. Occupy movement + anti-occupy law = civil war

    Glenn Greenwald
    “Party loyalist people only care about an issue when they can
    use it as a club to bash the other party, so change is only
    going to come from people who are disenchanted with the
    political culture itself, and there are a lot more of those
    people everyday and that is why I hold out hope.”

    On the one hand we see the people organizing an Occupy movement that has vowed to overthrow a Washington they see as pure corruption, while on the other had we see Washington creating a law that could put every occupier in detention for life. Do you see the connection?

  3. Occupy movement + anti-occupy law = civil war

    Glenn Greenwald
    “Party loyalist people only care about an issue when they can
    use it as a club to bash the other party, so change is only
    going to come from people who are disenchanted with the
    political culture itself, and there are a lot more of those
    people everyday and that is why I hold out hope.”

    On the one hand we see the people organizing an Occupy movement that has vowed to overthrow a Washington they see as pure corruption, while on the other had we see Washington creating a law that could put every occupier in detention for life. Do you see the connection?

  4. Occupy movement — Destroy it before it destroys us

    Here we are in a worldwide war with those satanic terrorists such as Hamas and Hezbollah, such as terrorist Iran which will have the A-bomb by Christmas, such as “anti-US Venezuela which has just made the Organization of American States obsolete, and comes now this Occupy movement to publicly threaten riots to overthrow our beloved government.

    Surely now is not the time to protest. When our War of Terror is over then people may protest, but until then anyone who protests is a “shutdown the ports” and destroy the economy terrorist.

    America love it or leave it, but do not you dare to protest against it. We will make sure of that.

  5. ALL MAMMALS — ALL ARE ANIMALS — ESPECIALLY KILL OR BE KILLED MAN

    paulBass
    “Ron Paul in Congress, its like watching a
    vegetarian hanging out with cannibals.”

    But, I’m a mammal animal who eats nothing processed by man or animal, who gets along quite with all you mammals who cannibalize lesser intelligent mammals.

  6. NOT 1% — BUT 51%

    For the 1% rich ruling class, they keep 80% of wealth, trickle down 20% of wealth to the upper half of society and then sit back and let greed do its wonders.

    Whereupon, the 10% Country Club-class, they keep 10% of wealth by hiring the Republican Party to defend their power and privilege.

    Whereupon, the 40% Educated Middle-class, they keep the last 10% of wealth by hiring the Democrat Party to stop any wealth from trickling down to the impoverished lower half of society.

    Think about it, here we are the most filthy rich empire that ever plundered the world by brutal imperialism, a nation that could easily pass just 5% of its wealth down to the lower half of society and give them all good jobs decent housing and adequate healthcare — and yet so corrupt is the upper half that since 1776 nothing but starvation wages has the entire lower half of society had to suffer.

  7. John: Haven't they been saying Iran would have a bomb by Christmas for 5 years in a row? Surely you were being facetious.

  8. Hey Scott , in which interview was it that you said you're glad that you live in the united states because at least all the fire is pointed out. I love what you said and I want to use that quote.

  9. TRUTH — STRANGER THEN FICTION

    Lawrence
    “Iran would have a bomb by Christmas for 5 years
    in a row? Surely you were being facetious.”

    So, think about it, for miss-information is spoken, darkness is created in the minds of the gullible and the world of Iran is engulfed in a wasteland of meaningless fiction.

    And so, did you know that Iran has had the A-bomb since the Shah was evicted back to America? A big-bang surprise for the first nation that tries to invade.

  10. TRUTH — STRANGER THEN FICTION

    Lawrence
    "Iran would have a bomb by Christmas for 5 years
    in a row? Surely you were being facetious."

    So, think about it, for miss-information is spoken, darkness is created in the minds of the gullible and the world of Iran is engulfed in a wasteland of meaningless fiction.

    And so, did you know that Iran has had the A-bomb since the Shah was evicted back to America? A big-bang surprise for the first nation that tries to invade.

  11. The U.S. Government is lawless at home and abroad. O-Bomb-a's essentially an elected dictator. Congress–aka Knesset West, aka the Parliament of Whores? Worthless. The courts of "law," including the Supreme Court? Black-robed fascists.

    What's the remedy? Well, there's nullification, there's secession. . . .

  12. Greenwald's right about political hacks. O-Bomb-a's supporters turn a blind eye to anything The Blessed One does. Dubya's supporters did the same when their boy was in office.

    It's worth thinking about nullification and secession, you know! . . .

  13. Had it lived, yesterday would have been the 220th birthday for the Bill of Rights. A special thanks to Obama and the asses of evil, Cheney, Rumsfeld, and Bush the Lesser for protecting us from freedom as Perry might have put it.

  14. Dear Scott: Glenn was very diplomatic in response to your request for a Ron Paul endorsement. He didn't mention that even though Paul's positions of anti-imperialism & support for basic human rights (i.e., civil liberties at home & abroad) is very much appreciated by myself, Glenn, the members of the ACLU, ET AL., and even though we are happy that a member of Congress has been able to take the national stage to promote such truthful values, some of us have long political experience and we don't run off after every political leader/movement that expresses support for some truths.

    In 1967 at the Pentagon rally, I read the first statement of positions on war, race and civil liberties vis-a-vis the USA that I'd ever seen in print that I agreed with. It articulated views that became generally acceptable but until then had never been expressed in those good old days by the MSM. The tract's publisher: the Socialist Workers Party; the text: SWP's 'United Front' platform. Well, I sure didn't run off and join the SWP (though some friends did).

    From the 1960's at least through the anti-war, Nuclear Freeze, anti-Nuclear Power/Weapons movements of the 1980's, there were NO, None, Nada Anti-War Libertarians or Conservatives. I know, because I was raised in the GOP and a self-identified as a 'Conservative', Young Republican when I heard Nixon's first pre-campaign speech in Spring 1966 and was revolted by the war-mongering racism. I was similarly revolted by RFK's racist, warmongering in Lafayette Park in support of Israel's 1997 War (I attended because, growing up on L.I., N.Y. my Jewish friends had indoctrinated me). Still in the 1960's-'70s, since we didn't have Libertarians trolling the Anti-Imperialist, New Left, pro-Democracy movements for recruits, our bane came solely the multiplicity of CP, M-L, Maoists, Trotskyist Parties – the only Parties with strong 'Anti-Imperialist' voices in that era.

    Conjoined with Paul's fine views are very disturbing views. 1) Paul's inability to respond humanely to the GOP debate crowd's screams of 'Let him Die!', plus reports that an important campaign staffer had died prematurely because he didn't have health insurance, and Paul's statements that such is the price of freedom. 2) Paul's lack of support for a woman's right to privacy respecting her very own body in consultation with a physician – typical of the stunning hypocrisy that the GOP egregiously manifests (e.g., 2000 Supreme Court Fla ruling, Newt's anti-Clinton's immorality campaign). 3) The utopian economic theories of Libertarians: a purely competitive free market has never existed in industrial, or arguably, civilized society. Capitalists hate free markets because who wants their investments to depend on an uncontrollable 'Hand'; and 'consumers' prefer 'product differentiation' and sellers prefer to manipulate/entice 'consumers' with market control via advertising or oligopoly rather than efficiency of production. 4) I've watched the development of Libertarianism. It was born out of morally repugnant Ayn Rand style philosophy; and propagated by vicious right-wing haters. So I am pleased as Punch to see it managed to give birth to anti-imperialist, pro-peace activists!! But I don't trust the gene pool from which the good hearted Libertarians were born.

    In short, with a high tolerance of opinions I don't share, I LOVE ANTI-WAR RADIO dot com. If I hadn't dedicated my life to peace and justice, eschewed being co-opted by decent wage employment, and subsequently taken oaths of poverty and chastity, I would definitely be a supporter. But don't expect me to stop rolling my eyes when I feel you and your guests are speaking inanely.

    What do you think would happen if Ron Paul became President? With a GOP Congress, it's easy to imagine that we'd see the final looting of the pensions of low income retirees, end of minimal provision for the severely handicapped and widows with children (i.e., FDIC/SSI), the poor left adrift without an oar. But even you cannot imagine that the War/Covert Intelligence Machine, et al., would back down one-inch.

    With loving appreciation for your fine interviews and commitment to peace and liberty,

  15. Let's be realistic about Ron Paul, please. In the odd concatenation of political forces that would be necessary to actually land him in the White House, there would nevertheless be no room for him to successfully pursue his mad- Randian, libertarian agenda to destroy the social-safety net, cancel all military misadventures and repeal the 14th Amendment. A veto-proof majority in Congress would prevent such trashing of huge portions of their constituencies and contributors, particularly retirees, Israel-firsters, and defense contractors. But then Paul is not trustworthy anyway, since he has freely voiced his doubts about the government's scientifically and legally unprovable 9/11 myth — when speaking to the fringe media, BUT HAS ALWAYS SUPPORTED THAT IMPOSSIBLE MYTH whenever he has faced a mainstream-media microphone. And as for Glen Greenwald, who is far too bright and perspicacious to have ever believed Dr. Zelikow's pack of perfumed lies, perhaps high-profile media positions "doth make cowards" of them all.

    Disgusting.

    And pathetic.

  16. END WAR — BEFORE ALL THINGS

    Tenor2001
    “if Ron Paul became President… we’d see the final
    looting of the pensions of low income retirees…”

    Andy Tyme
    “Let’s be realistic about Ron Paul… there would
    nevertheless be no room for him to successfully
    pursue his mad… cancel all military misadventures”

    Our paid actor president is not many things, but for an absolute he is the Commander and Chief of the US Army, Navy, Air Force and Marines. An absolute command that neither Congress not the Supreme Court can exercise any power over.

    Until we as a nation obey the command, “No standing army in time of peace,” we have neither the peace of mind nor the wealth to do anything good in the way of improving infrastructure or quality of life for those most in need. So, horse before the cart or surely everything will sit and rot that is in the cart.

    Funny, as it has been weeks since anyone has come here to generate confusion about Ron Paul, the above two comments being posted one on top of the other, both containing much confusion most suspicious, this would suggest that the two posters are one and the same. As to whether he is doing it for fun or for pay, as to whether he has excessive wealth, this we leave up to the readers to decide.

  17. HUMANS — MOST PERFECT

    If we were to create a perfect race of humans, we would need to add two new qualities:

    (1) A full and perfect understanding of darkness. For mental darkness is an illusion of good hiding misery, a liar’s pretense of good hiding an intent to be enriched upon our misery, a mixture of good and misery so confusing that not until after the fact can one tell good from misery.

    (2) An understanding that this day of life is not an “unalienable right” due and owed to us by nature, but a free gift guaranteed to us by nature. For knowing that we do not deserve life, this brings a grateful conviction that we own nothing, that everything we have belongs to those who have less then us — and most guilty would we feel if ever we missed an opportunity to give all we can give.

    For happiness is a society where giving actions produce a grateful response, where everyone experiences compassion, pity and charity in a way that heart warming gratitude is enjoyed by all.

    So there, now that you know what this life is all about, go in peace.

  18. Strange that people will come here, antiwar.com, and bad mouth Paul, the only hope for America, with oxymoron… I was a democrat, not anymore, Left stands only for green(new or inexperience) and is left(can't do much)

  19. I'm puzzled. They've time and again run stories about this.

  20. Of course there are connections but the sad irony is that so many within the Occupy movement want the very government that enslaves them, and is working towards doing even worse, to be empowered further in what they foolishly think will bring about change. That's like expecting a serial rapist not to violate your daughter because "they promise".

  21. And yet having the Congress hypocritically stand in the way would be the very thing people need to see. That would be a wonderful bit of kabuki and political suicide for the congress critters. But if things simply go the way they've always gone then we can go back to always complaining and being content with the results. Self satisfied in how much we "know" we're slaves.

  22. Happens all the time. If candidate X doesn't cover all of my pet political peeves then they're a heretic. Never mind if you haven't any freedom to question your slavery because it's all moot.

  23. i agree. I'm not sure why i made that comment; it was very late (or early), and had been a long day. Thanks for pointing that out.

  24. OCCUPY MOVEMENT — OF THE 51% MOST WEALTHY

    Yes occupiers are broke, but only temporarily as they are most all at the low end of the upper half of society, the bottom of the barrow in the 40% educated middle-class actually.

    For my laboring class lower half of society, we with no education but some high school, we have yet to be invited to join their movement, they apparently not even knowing that we exist. For the term “laboring class” has not been seen in media since the 1950’s, for as the brainwash goes — your either poor, middle-class or rich.

    Reality is, either your of the 49% uneducated who do manual labor, or your of the 51% most educated and wealthy who hoard all the wealth.

  25. In the ultimate end, The Core, Fundamental Questions are these: WHAT is to be done about Indefinite Detention and its rationale and justification: the so-called "War" Against so-called "Terrorism"? And, more importantly, HOW are they to be confronted, combatted, defeated, and destroyed? WHAT is to be actually Done? And by WHOM? And, above all, HOW?

    How was "The Thousand Year Reich" confronted, combatted, defeated, and destroyed? Will it, Must it come down to that?

    Perhaps the Real Question comes down to this: Is the only way to deal with and dispatch The Fourth Reich to Invade and Occupy Washington, DC.? And i am not talking about the American people being the ones to confront, combat, defeat, and destroy The Fourth Reich by Invading and Occupying the Seat of Empire.

    The American people are no more capable of terminating the Obscenity, the Insanity, the Horror, and the Darkness than were the German people after the Reichstag Fire. And for exactly the same reasons:
    http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/reich.h… .

  26. Iran has had nuclear warfare capability since the Shah was overthrown?

    Do you have a source for that statement?

    If they did, then why didn't they unleash your "big-bang surprise" when Iraq invaded it in Saddam's proxy Holy War on behalf of the U.S. back in September, 1980?

  27. The so-called Occupy Movement is no part at all of any equation that will, would, or could result in "civil war."

    It has neither the intent nor the capacity to "overthrow" Washington or dethrone Wall Street. It is another in a long, sad 45-year line of dry wells of symbolic, feel-good, "protests" that wither and die when confronted with the option of dismissal and dispersal or open, brute force.

    It is mere Protest and, there is no such thing as Protest in a War Zone. There is only either Resistance or Participatory Complicity (either Active or Passive).

    And ever since the Lie, Hoax, Sham, and Scam of the so-called "Terror Event" of September 11, 2001, this nation (and indeed the entire world) has been a War Zone.

  28. SLAVES + SLAVE DRIVERS = UNBEATABLE

    Jgmoebus
    “Is the only way to deal with and dispatch The Fourth
    Reich to Invade and Occupy Washington, DC?”

    So, first we must identify the gods of society, the mighty men who have ruled all of our military and law enforcement since 1776.

    For the bad news is, when Ben Franklin got off the boat from France in 1776, first thing he did was warn all his fellow slave owners that many rich and noble heads were going roll off the guillotine in the eminent French Revolution, all at the hands of educated middle-class men, those who supervise laboring men, all the cops who establish a police state for the laboring men and the young officers who slave drive young laboring men in the military. Bingo — Empire USA, a paradise for the 40% of men who directly slave drive the laboring class

    But the good news is, in all of the Arab Spring only a fraction of 2% ever showed up for a protest. So, 2% of USA would be 6 million men. But, to achieve that number we would need men of my uneducated laboring-lass and middle-class men to organize in a big way together.

    Problem is, a whole lot of trust needs to be built up, for slaves and slave-drivers don’t really have a whole lot in common.

  29. NAIVE? — NOT LIKELY

    Jgmoebus

    “Iran has had nuclear warfare capability
    since the Shah was overthrown?”

    Surely it is most self-evident that my post was a satire to show how gullible it is to put the slightest trust in the corrupt word of man.

    You for example, all your belligerent confusion appearing to be the delusions of a naive mind, this is most suspicious. Why, for all we know it is the product of a most deceitful and cunning mind striving to protect your excessive wealth.

  30. NAIVE? — NOT LIKELY

    Jgmoebus
    “Iran has had nuclear warfare capability
    since the Shah was overthrown?”

    Surely it is most self-evident that my post was a satire to show how gullible it is to put the slightest trust in the corrupt word of man.

    You for example, all your belligerent confusion appearing to be the delusions of a naive mind, this is most suspicious. Why, for all we know it is the product of a most deceitful and cunning mind striving to protect your excessive wealth.

  31. Nullification is meaningless if you don't have the guns to back it up.

    Ditto w/ Secession. Ask the Confederate States of America about that.

  32. "….a perfect race of humans…." That was Hitler's Objective, Goal, Dream, and Scheme, wasn't it?

    This planet doesn't need a "perfect race of humans." What it needs is a species that uses its superior intelligence and imagination to grasp the Reality and to abide by the Implications of that Reality that it (the human species) is but A PARTof a complete, unimaginably complex, integrated, synergistic bio-chemical-geo-physical System, and not its Master, Dominator, Controller, and Boss.

    And actually, the planet doesn't "need" even that from humans; for if we do not realize and act upon that realization soon, this planet will exterminate us, its most deranged spawn. And, except for perhaps a few domesticated plants or animals, Who and or What would miss us?

  33. See my response to your "How To Perfect The Human RACE" epistle above for further examples of suspicious delusions of an apparently naive mind.

    If i was striving to "protect my excessive wealth," John Ellis, i can assure you that i wouldn't be wasting my time, energy, lifeForce, or words in this place with folks like you.

    And if one is to "trust not the corrupt word of man" (do you always talk like that, or just on antiWar.com?), in What does One Putteth One's Trust?

    Especially when one is attempting to figure out how to confront, combat, defeat, and destroy The Fourth Reich?

    Forgive me for thinking that you had something serious to add to the discussion, and were not merely attempting to show off your biting, satirical wit.

  34. @jgmoebus
    You seems to me correct on most of your assessments. Maybe you could re-analyse and reconsider ‘Secession’. This is 2011, and democratic rhetoric prevalent. Also many countries would gladly give you arms if it comes to that. We have a too-big -to-fail situation here.

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    this WEB page, all to protect excessive wealth.

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    this WEB page, all to protect excessive wealth.

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  39. Would you please have Glenn back on to comment on the late and lamentable Christopher "Bushie" Hitchens? Nice piece by Greenwald in Salon-not what I would call an elegy.

  40. WELCOME TO THE FOLD Tenor2001…!!! We need MORE like you here… I see this is your first comment here and it speaks to me: &&&&&&&& let me mention that I too share your less than all out enthusiasm for Republicans and our anti-interventions hero Ron Paul… I find the economic opinions of the current batch of La… La… Libertarians troubling and worrisome.. I'm all for vast revisions of priorities, but PLEASE with a bit of kindness…!!! I won't go on and on… I will say I hope we will be privileged to see more of your thoughts here…… & again… WELCOME..!!!

  41. Do tell us more Andy Tyme, I like your turn of phrase…. Yes, Dr. Zelokpw's careful editing of the 911 narrative should ring alarm bells for all of us looking……and those who wonder how it is…. That agents of America's No. 1 Welfare Queen's hands are on so many of the levers of governance and state enforcement …… and did I mention banking…??? NPR..?? Even the military…???

  42. Uh, ok.

  43. It is extremely unlikely, John Ellis, that someone intent upon "protecting excess wealth" would be concerned with the magnitude and urgency of the challenge of attempting to figure out how to ultimately and effectively confront, combat, defeat, and destroy The Fourth Reich.

    I'm curious as to whether or not you have anything to contribute to that effort.

    It is even less likely that someone intent upon "protecting excessive wealth," would be wasting time, energy, lifeForce, or words on folks such as yourself.

  44. I've done the same thing on many a late night, buddy. Not enough hours left in the day.

  45. Andy, if Ron Paul didn´t support the myth he would be considered a nut case by too many people in America, even Scott. That is probably the reason why Scott doesn´t go that far and supports the government´s "conspiracy theory" too, rather than supporting the more logical "conspiracy theory" accusing the government of 9-11. Both Ron and Scott are most probably more effective this way.

  46. FORCE — NEVER OVERCOMES EVIL

    Morris Wise
    “amputation is used under Sharia Law, it helps
    stop crime and would eliminate jails in Israel.”

    Above Zionist is using darkness to enrich himself upon our misery, for no lover of Sharia Law would ever say such a thing, for the perfection of Sharia it that strives always to use the absolute minimum amount of force to overcome evil. A goal that every true Christian would agree with, for to be a true follower of Christ one must be a pacifist in honor of the Lord’s example, as it is written,

    “You have read that it was spoken by Moses,
    ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’ I now say to
    you, Do not use force to overcome evil. Instead,
    whenever you are slapped on the right cheek,
    turn to them the other.” Matthew 5:38

  47. READER — FORGIVE OUR GARBAGE

    For our beloved WEB page Administrator needs donations so he can afford to hire a cute and highly intelligent young lady to be our darling Web page Moderator.

    So, until such a miracle blesses our confusion, we shall forever be a pro-war destroy the truth place, but have no fear for there is an honest anti-war place, several actually.

    HONEST ANTI-WAR PLACE http://rt.com/news/today/ http://www.presstv.ir/ http://www.flashpoints.net/

  48. HONEST ANTI-WAR PLACE
    (1) http://rt.com/news/today/
    (2) http://www.presstv.ir/
    (3) http://www.flashpoints.net/

  49. Yes, great piece by Glann Greenwald about him.

  50. Glenn!

  51. With Kim ill jong dead, there’s a job opening for McCain, Romney, obi, Hilarious Rotton Clingon ……..
    All applicants shall send their papers to bibi-the-dumb-as-a-dumbbell

    Don’t worry umm.. there’ll be other chances for you but not this time, maybe in Libya. If you continue praying and paying your dues to clerics of course!!

  52. TalalTweet:U$Kingz burned arabgov waqf after bribincc their dogz

  53. Empire USA — Permanent darkness that forces all light to give way

    The miracle that Bradley Manning and WikiLeaks performed was to give the world unknown news, new light that forced present and future darkness to give way and so illuminated the real world that a quantum leap back from the abyss of all-out global war was the global reaction.

    For Empire USA can sustain its immensely inefficient system of plunder — only under the cover of an unending pretense of good that hides its brutal imperialism and criminal intent to be enriched upon the misery of the world.

    And that is why unless we make such a holy stink about this kangaroo court, life in solitary confinement is Manning’s destiny — unless the hanging judges can find any excuse under the sun to bring on the firing squad.

  54. Here, here! VERY well said, John!

  55. @IP
    wonder where the brib went???
    @john the whistler
    have you seen the movie wag the dog? Where do you think manning fits in there?
    And what light old man? No new info in “released doc”. Have you read any of those or just parroting some predetermined narrative.
    Bradley=vehicle
    Manning=act of maning a post or vehicle

  56. NEW LIGHT — DRIVES DARKNESS LOVERS DEEPER INTO DARKNESS

    Sible Headmon
    “And just what new light is this, old man John?
    Surely no new light in “released documents.”

    NEW LIGHT
    Now Sible, does that not depend upon which half of society a person belongs to?

    For new light for the impoverished lower half, light that showed the reason for their economical slavery, this most certainly would lock the upper half in the darkness of more isolation and less communication with the entire lower half of society.

  57. @johny boy
    So, you consider yourself in light then?

  58. COW MANURE — BULL FERTILIZER

    Democracy is equality for all you say, because the 51% voting majority will always do what is in the best interest of society, this is the illusion your conscience functions under.

    Cow manure I say, surely bull fertilizer the stench of which sickens the conscience of any man with an ounce of integrity. For democracy is a fake morality, where the 51% most educated and wealthy in society all enjoy great jobs, terrific homes and deluxe healthcare — while the lower half are impoverished with no healthcare.

    Comes now true morality, a system of government where the 25% most wealthy, meaning the 25% most greedy, are not allowed to vote, hold public office or pour their filthy money into politics. A system where the lower half of society has half the vote and power giving it half and equal control.

    Bottom line in good government, the laboring class and thinking class must always have equal control.

  59. Leaving it is not a bad choice though. Like a jew leaving Nazi Germany. Like a Russian leaving Stalin's rule. You can have your police state. Enjoy it.

  60. No it is the powers that be, the state and all it's violence, that protects excessive wealth. And they will protect it against free speech and assembly even if it means "disappearing people". It is not a websites like this that you have to fear.

  61. POWERS THAT BE

    jrs
    “No it is the powers that be, the state and all
    it’s violence, that protects excessive wealth.”

    Powers that be = 10% slave owners + 40% slave drivers

    Powers that be = High Society + Country Club-class + Intelligent Middle-class

    Slaves that be = 50% Uneducated Laboring-class

    Crap democracy = 51% most wealthy voting to enslave the laboring-class

    SOLUTION
    Comes now a new idea, a system of government where the 25% most wealthy, meaning the 25% most greedy, are not allowed to vote, hold public office or pour their filthy money into politics. A system where the lower half of society has half the vote and power giving it half and equal control. Bottom line in good government, the laboring class and thinking class must always have equal control.

  62. You drop 10 cent and this Alice brings pies(charts) in the sky and start calculating the manure %.
    Cow Manure indeed!
    With bold and capital letters Alice hammers his beliefs.
    Bull sometin sometin indeed!
    Word of advice Alice drop those imaginary numbers, bold announcement/denouncement, dubious sources and people may read what you have to say.
    Oh and keep it short or write a book, see how many will buy it.

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