Scott Horton Interviews Karen Greenberg

Scott Horton, December 20, 2011

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Karen Greenberg, Director of the Center on National Security at Fordham University, discusses her article “How terrorist ‘entrapment’ ensnares us all;” setting a dangerous precedent by allowing law enforcement and paid informants to manufacture terrorist plots, ideology and materials; making the already-difficult entrapment legal defense even less likely to succeed; why terrorism suspects can’t expect to get fair trials; why preventive law enforcement is needed to some degree after 9/11; and how inter-agency rivalries (FBI-CIA) hinder open communication and may have allowed 9/11 to happen, but also prevent a unified police state from taking hold.

MP3 here. (30:04)

Karen J. Greenberg, a noted expert on national security, terrorism, and civil liberties, is Director of the Center on National Security. She is the author of The Least Worst Place: Guantanamo’s First 100 Days (Oxford University Press, 2009), which was selected as one of the best books of 2009 by The Washington Post and Slate.com. She is co-editor with Joshua L. Dratel of The Enemy Combatant Papers: American Justice, the Courts, and the War on Terror (Cambridge University Press, 2008) and The Torture Papers: The Road to Abu Ghraib (Cambridge University Press, 2005); editor of the books The Torture Debate in America (Cambridge University Press, 2006) and Al Qaeda Now (Cambridge University Press, 2005); and editor of the Terrorist Trial Report Card, 2001–2011. Her work has been featured in The New York Times, The Washington Post, The Los Angeles Times, The San Francisco Chronicle, The Nation, The National Interest, Mother Jones, TomDispatch.com, and on major news channels. She is a permanent member of the Council on Foreign Relations.

 

9 Responses to “Karen Greenberg”

  1. What is all this overwrought emotional bs about reeling from 9/11. There were only 3000 people killed. There are many other causes of death that kill many more, AND every year (not just once in decades), that don't bother Americans at all.

    I was 5 miles away from WTC on 9/11, so it's not as though I was living in an igloo on Alaska's north slope.

    More people die of dog bites than of terrism every year in the U.S., so maybe we should replace the dog with terriss as man's best friend.

  2. Lead us girl —- Blackout our morality girl

    Karen Greenberg
    “A lot of the anger toward us may be justified, but a lot of
    it may not be… But of all things what you really need is a
    very firm, confident, fare minded and not scared leadership,
    and to some extent we still don’t have that, a bigger problem
    then any of the other things we have mentioned.”

    LIGHT
    Bless her darling heart, not one word on morality, even thought Scott tried several time to shine light on our vengeance generating imperial plunder, she said no — its all about greater deadly force and strong leadership to stop vengeance in its tracks. For her bottom line is, force over comes evil if it is more deadly then evil.

    TRUE MORALITY
    “Do not use force to overcome evil.
    If they strike you on the right cheek…”

  3. Spain was also attacked with the Madrid bombing, which was a horrific day or two for all Spaniards. The Spanish people have also been under attack by the ETA terrorist group for 30 years, with some 800 souls lost by them. No laws have been changed. Police did not get new powers. The Madrid bombing Muslim terrorists were rounded up and prosecuted like any Spanish citizen would be, resulting in prison sentences and some being released for lack of evidence. Justice prevailed. Spaniards went on with their lives and democracy. Nobody overreacted, not the government, not the news media, not the police and military, and not the people.

    What is happening in America is incredible. The Executive, DOD, congress, the law enforcement and intelligence communities, the news media, and even the judicial system are hysterical. Can all of this be a coincidence? All of those organizations foul up in preventing 9-11, they don´t investigate what happened, they make excuses to invade and murder other peoples around the world, and they turn the country into a police state, insisting that torture is necessary to keep us safe. And everyone talks about it as if it were a “coincidence theory”.

  4. A WAR IS WON — IF ALL THE SPOILS ARE YOURS

    In every war of terror our Empire USA has waged since 1945, is there a single one where our plunder by brutal imperialism failed to increase Empire power, wealth and glory?

    Enough said, for every major action by the FBI, CIA and our imperial military — has been premeditated, perfectly orchestrated and free of any type of miscalculation, incompetence or error in judgment. Especially 9-11, for surely our Military Industrial Complex was one step ahead of the highjack leaders, having had them wired for sound almost from the start.

    For when your the super-world power unequaled, you plunder as desired with corporate owned mainstream media covering your backside to perfection.

  5. The constitution doesn't give the federal government any police powers, so why do we have an FBI at all? Anyway, there wouldn't be any need for any of this if we just stopped intervening in other countries! But on a broader note, it is silly to expect anything other than inefficiency, corruption and abuse from the state, which is, after all, a socialized monopoly, shielded from consumer accountability in the form of profit/loss and competition.

  6. Did Congress Just Endorse Rendition for Americans?
    21 Dec 2011
    http://motherjones.com/politics/2011/12/did-congr

  7. MOST AMERICANS ARE GOOD — SO FEW ARE EVIL

    Karen Greenberg
    “But the issue for the FBI can’t be, if we tempt you by a
    circumstance and gave you enough incentive, money
    or whatever, would you be criminal enough to do it?
    To me this is a gregarious unfair way to go about
    changing things.”

    LIGHT
    You see, the grand illusion that the FBI is now feeding us about their terrorist entrapment scam, is the idea that virtually all Americans could never be tempted to enrich themselves upon our misery. So, if we can sucker-bait a suspect into doing evil — our suspicions are correct and we can now catch all the potential terrorists in the world before they get a chance to be so evil.

  8. Problem is, we have a state religion called “endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights… life…” A religion where due and owed to us by nature is not only that we deserve life, but also we deserve the food and wealth needed to enjoy life. So of course, our conscience gives us no rest unless we strive always to self-actualize, to Be All You Can Be, to earn all you can earn and take all you can take — a full and perfect description of greed.

    So, the FBI has a 95% chance of their terrorist entrapment scam working on about anyone, and if they can just get Congress to fully fund their brainstorm, they can easily double our privatized prison system in but two short years.

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