Scott Horton Interviews Gareth Porter

Scott Horton, January 19, 2012

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Gareth Porter, independent historian and journalist for IPS News, discusses the Israeli Mossad’s false flag operation that made the CIA appear responsible for terrorist attacks inside Iran; using Jundullah to assassinate Iranian nuclear scientists to provoke a military response – not set back their nuclear program; how terrorist attacks marginalize Iranian political moderates and make diplomatic negotiations with the US impossible; and the predictable nationalistic “blowback” response of Iranian students, who are defiantly switching majors to nuclear science.

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Gareth Porter is an independent historian and journalist. He is the author of Perils of Dominance: Imbalance of Power and the Road to War in Vietnam. His articles appear on Counterpunch, Huffington Post, Inter Press Service News Agency and Antiwar.com.

33 Responses to “Gareth Porter”

  1. Israeli Mossad agents flashing American passports, handing out American dollars and speaking english with an American accent. All to make the Jundallah and Iran believe that America is behind the attacks and sponsors terrorisme. How can America put up with this ?

  2. And isn't Israel supporting Jundallah and America supporting the MEK not state sponsoring of terrorism ?

  3. FORGET WAR ON IRAN — THINK ISOLATION OF IRAN

    Israel was created by Empire USA as a decoy, a smokescreen, a thing that blinds your mind by burning your emotions. For trading war materials for Middle-East oil, surely this is the best money maker ever conceived to utilize brutal imperialism to its fullest potential. So, forget paper tiger Israel, little puppet Israel, as it was not created to be a loose cannon, but a submissive puppy dog to be kept on a very short lease.

    And so, what if all these war drums stop banging and things go back to the Middle-East norm, what will have been the greatest harm that Iran suffered? But surely its the great damage to its trust and friendship with all the nations in the Middle-East and North Africa.

    Therefore, Iran needs to hurry up and reverse engineer that Drone it steered safely to the ground, so it can give an exact duplicate fully operational to every nation it might count on for camaraderie and support.

  4. It makes sense that if Israel were to approach the Jundullah, they would do so in the form and guise of another nation. I'm not sure Jundullah would easily be persuaded to, much less boast about, doing Israel’s bidding; nor am I clear Iran has blamed Israel for Jundullah acts inside Iran; rather they have blamed other nations including the US and even ostensibly Pakistan.

    I don't recall, but how many Israeli troops served on behalf of Israel in an official capacity for the "Coalition of the Willing" in Iraq? How many died in Iraq, in Israeli uniform, while on duty in this 'effort'? Israel being a "shoulder to shoulder" 'ally' to the US and all, I would assume at least one Israeli troop at least suited up and set foot inside the Nation of Iraq in an official capacity on behalf of Israel to advance the "Noble Cause" kicked off by the 2003 "Shock and Awe" campaign… If not, I'm sure there is a perfectly reasonable explanation for 'why not’…

  5. Devil’s Advocate — Iran is ours to plunder

    Gentlemen, be reasonable, for do we not all have a freewill, the freedom to pursue happiness as we perceive it to be? And if happiness for us is to generate all the pleasure that our brains and sex appeal can muster, to enrich ourselves upon the misery of those our brains can enslave and master, what law or logic could deny us such luxury and leisure?

    So there be a creator God, so what? Were we not all designed to have a different level of intelligence, giving us the ability to rule over all who are less intelligent? And this weird idea that there is absolute good and absolute evil, this illusion that doing good preserves existence, while doing evil will ultimately destroy all of existence, how could anyone ever prove such a thing without allowing evil to reach its ultimate conclusion?

  6. For is not good the highest form of evil, what with a pretense of good being the only thing that can hide evil? And is not darkness evil, a liar’s pretense of good enabling him to be enriched upon the misery of others the absolute worse kind of evil? And as God has knowledge of good the most, giving him an ability to enslave us the most, are we nothing more then just mindless slaves to good, without a freewill to do anything but good?

    So, evil is good, good is evil and a lie is a mixture of good and evil. And so, this idea that an evil life could destroy all life, well we’ll just see about that.

  7. ABSOLUTE DARKNESS
    Ben_C
    “It makes sense that if Israel were to approach the Jundullah,
    they would do so in the form and guise of another nation.”

    ABSOLUTE LIGHT
    For an absolute, there could be a million logical reasons why deceitful Israel would do such a deceitful thing.

    ABSOLUTE DARKNESS
    Ben_C
    “I don 't recall, but how many Israeli troops served… in Iraq? If not,
    I'm sure there is a perfectly reasonable explanation for 'why not’…”

    ABSOLUTE LIGHT
    For an absolute, anyone who wastes his time and ours proclaiming useless and worthless knowledge, surely he is walking in absolute darkness.

  8. Trident chief missile engineer Bob Aldidge -www.plrc.org-wrote on the missiles in Bulgaria, Romania and in Poland:"Whether they are on ships or land, they are still a necessary component for an unanswerable first strike." The US Navy can track and destroy all enemy submarines simultaneously according to Bob Aldridge. The warheads on Minuteman-3 and Trident-2 are designed to minimize nuclear winter effects if used against missile silos according to Professor Paul Rogers. Der Spiegel 49/2011 outlines that the US Missile Shield would be made, even if Iran were disarmed, and it´s fully operational by 2020. Dr Bob Bowman,Chief DOD "Star Wars" Program:"Missile defense is the missing link to first strike." This leads to Launch On Warning and danger of a mistake, Accidental Nuclear War.

  9. Dr Bob Bowman,Chief DOD "Star Wars" Program pointed out that if the US does something stupid, like attacking Iran, the Russians may go for Launch On Warning because they realize that the Americans are bonkers. What do they need a disarming first strike capability for anyway ? Are they just crazy ? Bob Aldridge realized it´s suicidal and resigned.and wrote The Counterforce Syndrome, First Strike! The Pentagon´s Strategy For Nuclear War and Nuclear Empire (ch. 9 on Anti-Submarine Warfare). And recently America in Peril – Hope Publishing. And many research papers at http://www.plrc.org.

  10. A 300,000-year-old -coin has been found in the US. http://www.mcremo.com Was that the last time we had all-out nuclear war ? All that´s left is a coin ???

  11. This all done while accusing Iran of terrorism. So, who is terrorist here Iran or Israel? ISRAEL, ISRAEL ISRAEL ISRAEL . . . .

  12. If a US national or a US dual national impersonated a CIA agent in this scheme, isn't that a crime in the US and perhaps even treason?

  13. You've completely lost me on this one. I'm not quite sure what you're saying, much less what you are 'trying' to say. Be that as it may, I will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you have a serious point. I follow you insofar as human beings not only desire "freedom", they also desire "control" (which is somewhat taboo and often demonized and imagined away as "evil"— ‘unbecoming’ of a ‘civilized’ individual). I "agree" to this point, which you most likely did not make.

    That aside, I think it’s extremely foolish, even ruinous, to view the world from a perspective which assumes away "human nature"—in all its beauty and ugliness alike. I think it’s imperative to see things as they actually are; rather than how 'we' may "want them to be"—and make decisions accordingly.

    Delusion will be/is the ruin of us all…all of us…

  14. HOW TO END ALL WARS — ONLY ONE WAY

    DARKNESS
    Ben_C
    “ I think it’s extremely foolish, even ruinous, to view
    the world from a perspective which assumes away
    “human nature”—in all its beauty and ugliness alike.”

    LIGHT
    Wars are the ultimate conclusion of what happens when people desire to enrich themselves upon the misery of another, which is evil, a crime in any fair and just society.

    For example, grade school kids of migrant workers labor long hours in a hot dusty field earning less then minimum which enables everyone in America to enrich themselves by lower food costs. And while their eating the food, while their enriching themselves upon the misery of helpless kids, not one in a million feels a qualm of guilt.

    So, before we can stop all wars, everyone has to have a desire to do only good, in essence give up our freewill and be a slave to good. Surely a thing Ben_C in his current frame of mind would never agree to do, for in his words it would be “even ruinous to… human nature—in all its beauty and ugliness alike.”

    And so, either Ben_C of the intelligent middle-class is walking in the light, or me of the slow of thought laboring class is trying to get him to see the light.

  15. HOW TO END ALL WARS — ONLY ONE WAY

    DARKNESS
    Ben_C
    “ I think it’s extremely foolish, even ruinous, to view
    the world from a perspective which assumes away
    "human nature"—in all its beauty and ugliness alike.”

    LIGHT
    Wars are the ultimate conclusion of what happens when people desire to enrich themselves upon the misery of another, which is evil, a crime in any fair and just society.

    For example, grade school kids of migrant workers labor long hours in a hot dusty field earning less then minimum which enables everyone in America to enrich themselves by lower food costs. And while their eating the food, while their enriching themselves upon the misery of helpless kids, not one in a million feels a qualm of guilt.

    So, before we can stop all wars, everyone has to have a desire to do only good, in essence give up our freewill and be a slave to good. Surely a thing Ben_C in his current frame of mind would never agree to do, for in his words it would be “even ruinous to… human nature—in all its beauty and ugliness alike.”

  16. And so, either Ben_C of the intelligent middle-class is walking in the light, or me of the slow of thought laboring class is trying to get him to see the light.

  17. Bring on the drones!…..

  18. How can you be surprised George when we have pukes in Congress willing to sign a statement of loyalty to Israel? In every private and public organization there is an official chain of command and an unofficial (real) chain of command – who do you think is running our country? Yes, the USI.

  19. We may agree on a few points. I somewhat concede and agree with your following conclusion (to be clear: I don’t agree with your conclusion of my intentions, just with the implication your premise is deeply flawed):

    "… Surely a thing Ben_C in his current frame of mind would never agree to do, for in his words it would be 'even ruinous to… human nature—in all its beauty and ugliness alike.'"

    In short I will say: "all wars" will never be stopped…ever. For example: "private wars", which are "illegal" domestically in all nations, will be with humanity until its end. Some “private wars” are directly related to wealth; however, many are not. I don’t intend to conflate organized “legitimate” killing sanctioned and carried out on behalf of a state with private wars (such as someone killing their spouse for cheating on them) I’m just making a general point. Moreover, the motivations of the actual decision makers to conduct ‘all’ wars can be very similar, and often have virtually nothing to do with personal “wealth”.

  20. (…)
    There is no recent, current, or future US POTUS who will need to worry about $. Even a one term POTUS who theoretically comes into office with only the clothes on his or her back is all but guaranteed future wealth from keynote luncheon speaking tours alone… Wealth is one thing; however, getting your face on Mt. Rushmore and the US Currency is quite another and I’m certain virtually all who all who are sworn in as POTUS are aware of this…

  21. (…)
    So you are correct that I’m not optimistic some sort of “morality” shift, ether here in the US or even on a global scale, will be the “answer” and “end” of all “wars”. As a hypothetical, let’s assume Ron Paul, who would most likely advance the “Anti-War” movement’s agenda (based not only on his rhetoric, but also his long proven legislative track record), wins the upcoming Presidential election. Let take this further and assume there is a “new” overwhelming “popular” recognition and acknowledgement these ‘adventures’ abroad are simply a black hole consuming treasure and lives which, in the end, only undermine our National Security—a popular sentiment the federal government is actually responsive to. Even if this were to happen, this phenomenon will be momentary and fleeting… 4 or 8 years is an extremely short period of time if considered the history of civilization, much less the time of the human beings have been on the planet. It will be a “phase” which will most likely last as long as fashionable sunglasses.

  22. What I would hope for more than anything if this tail probability scenario were to occur (which can happen) is that “checks and balances” were to be restored, perhaps even reinvented in some way in order to correct for the obvious deep systemic flaws we have in our society. Directly tying wealth to military action internally—tying it in a way everyone in the population with immediately “feel” and be affected by and understand it is the result of the elected ‘representatives’ of the US, and not a result of some foreign/imaginary force—may be one way to do it… Look…I don’t have all the answers, but I do know there needs to be “Change”.

  23. TIME — THE GREAT ARBITRATOR OF TRUTH

    DARKNESS
    Ben_C
    “I don’t agree with your conclusion of my intentions,
    just with the implication your premise is deeply flawed.”

    LIGHT
    Bless his daring heart, as Ben_C is far to intelligent to be jamming all his gibberish into our minds with a sincere intent to enlighten us, he no doubt has a clear intent to destroy the minds of us.

  24. Garath Portor is a Paul Pol apologist.

  25. http://www.paulbogdanor.com/deniers.html

    Gareth Porter is a Paul Pol apologist.

  26. American Defense and Intelligence Chiefs: Attacking Iran Will INCREASE Odds that Iran Will Build a Nuclear Bomb
    http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/american-def

  27. http://www.paulbogdanor.com/deniers.html

  28. Israels government including Mossad and settlers are scum.

  29. 1. You are a complete nimrod.

    2. Please compare the people who died in Vietnam and Cambodia (not via Pot) vs. how many allegedly died under Pol Pot. Please cite the #s and let me know which figure conforts you. Also include "Agent Orange" and so on, and so forth… Please provide links too… If this conforts you, I assume YOU are an "apologist"? Clown…. Ooooooooooo….. Let me know if Pot wins out by a few thousand or two….

  30. Antiwar .com will win eventually because the American Empire will crash because of internal economic rot and financial bankruptcy. Nothing Antiwar.com can do will bring that day one step closer. What makes contributions to Antiwar.com worthwhile is that its writers and staff are members of the Remnant in the sense described by Albert Jay Nock. Plus, I think it is important for future generations to know that there was some (although very small) moral based opposition to the American Empire and its depredations.

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