Scott Horton Interviews Ray McGovern

Scott Horton, May 07, 2012

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Ray McGovern, member of Veterans For Peace and former senior analyst at the CIA, discusses Russian Gen. Nikolai Makarov’s suggestion that a NATO missile-defense shield in Eastern Europe could be the target of a Russian pre-emptive strike; the laughable justification of the missile shield as protection (for Poland and Romania?) against Iranian nuclear missiles; how President Bush funneled more government money to defense contractors by withdrawing from the Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty; and how the US is replacing the MAD (mutually assured destruction) nuclear doctrine with a disarming first-strike capability, forcing Russia to institute launch-on-warning and greatly increasing the chance of nuclear war.

MP3 here. (19:31)

Ray McGovern was a CIA analyst for 27 years, from the John F. Kennedy administration to that of George H. W. Bush. His articles appear on Consortium News and Antiwar.com.

26 Responses to “Ray McGovern”

  1. Great interview with Ray.

    I've also heard many engineers say that this proposed "missile shield" can't ever really work because it defies the laws of physics.

  2. Hey, R.C.! It might not ever work, but who cares – when the objective is to bleed billions of dollars out of the beleaguered American taxpayers to pay for lucrative defense contracts awarded to private companies who then kick back some of that money in campaign donations to the very politicians who threw them these contracts?

  3. Anyway missile engineer Bob Aldridge -www.plrc.org-resigned because the Pentagon aims to achieve a disarming/unanswerable first strike capability. The US Navy can track and destroy all enemy submarines simultaneously according to Bob Aldridge. Navstar, now GPS, was made to get an accuracy of less than 30 meters, necessary to destroy missile silos. Professor J. Edward Anderson: The deployment of anti-missile missiles in Eastern Europe is part of a first-strike strategy. Der Spiegel 49/2011: The US Missile Shield will be fully operational by 2020. This leads to Launch On Warning and Accidental Nuclear War. For that reason General Harbottle said to me: "They are bloody fools in the Pentagon!"

  4. As always, great analysis from Dr. Ray. He should be appointed US Secretary of Defense or CIA Director.

  5. Bob Aldridge -www.plrc.org-on the missiles in Eastern Europe: Whether they are on ships or land, they are still a necessary component for an unanswerable first strike.

  6. I had not kept up on the star wars subject, but recently read Nemesis, the third of Chalmers' empire trilogy. He has a whole chapter explaining missile defense. Now I have a nodding acquaintance. Highly rec for background reading. Also came to same conclusion: Nothing but MIC corp welfare.

    My burning Q: don't these installations in eastern Europe make them the first targets of any missile attacks? What are those countries thinking? Or more likely, what is the U.S. paying/promising them in exchange?

  7. THE US NAVY CAN TRACK AND DESTROY ALL ENEMY SUBMARINES SIMULTANEOUSLY ACCORDING TO BOB ALDRIDGE. ROBERT C. ALDRIDGE: NUCLEAR EMPIRE, CH. 9.

  8. Global U$Kingz(Mushrekoon) must sell their toys to stay in MAFIA POWER:IT-Guns-Med-Food-cars-camera's..etc

  9. formery cia now he's a good man lol

  10. That's what comes from Ronald Reagan watching Science Fiction. Nickolas Tesla meets Star Trek.

  11. Since I am of Russian extraction, I listened to the entire speech by the Army General Makarov (video).
    First, he outlined all the positive step Russia has taken at the request of the U.S., even though some were clearly disadvantaged to the Russian defense capability. Next, he showed several diagrams indicating how the "Missiles shield " rockets flight distance radius would overlap Russian territory by hundred of miles. Next, he reminded the NATO representatives that Russia is not an enemy to encircle as a dangerous beast. Finally, he presented a list of the defense capability improvements Russian military would have to implement. It was a very long list. At the end he said that IF the situation would move rapidly toward NATO readiness to launch the missiles Russia may consider to stop them reaching Russia by all mens, including shooting them down. Amazing to me was that the audience was not taking any notes until the very end. They showed contempt to the Russia's legitimate concerns. But the promise to shoot down the missiles at the "ready" stage is now blown out of proportion.

  12. The need for the abolition of nation-states (geographical ruling gangs) and the emergence of peaceful,worldwide market- anarchism has never been more urgent. Just remember, their are more of us than there are of them. All we have to do is withdrawl our consent in mass.

  13. Blowing things out of proportion when it comes to Russia is the modus operandi of the west (just look at how the anti-Putin "opposition" is glorified as the "voice of Russia" in the western press, while in reality, their numbers continue to shrink and their candidates poll in the single digits). They hear and see whatever it is that suits their agenda, hence, we have Makarov's comments being twisted by the western press to make it sound as if they're prepared to carry out an attack any day now, when in all likelihood, the situation will almost certainly be diffused before it reaches that critical level.

  14. If the Americans can detect submarines, presumably that means that the Israelis have spied or been given that technology and have sold it to the Chinese.

  15. Does America need missile defense or defense against the abuse of government power to enhance corporate profits? Whether its defense, healthcare, finance, etc, government power is used by politicians to artificially boost the profitability of stocks and mitigate market risks to enhance their personal portfolios. If we balance the budget and pay off the nation’s debt by reconnecting the wealthy and politicians to the tax code using all sources of wealth income as a tax base, a more efficient economy will emerge capable of restoring economic growth to America. Learn more about Tax Equality as a civil rights initiative at http://www.solonsays.com

  16. While libertarians like myself couldn't agree more with your first two sentences, we cannot accept the latter proposal on taxation, as it is an act of aggression against person and property.

  17. Remember this the Cuban missile crisis was in reality about the US putting Nuclear missiles on the USSR borders, there is no difference in the US putting the anti ballistic missile system on the Russian borders.

    Maybe Russia will again put nuclear missiles on Cuba again, or maybe they will just bomb the US instilations, it was considered acceptable that Israel can attack targets they claim as of a potentially hostile nature, just as it is by the US.

  18. End time nuclear war — Worst-case probability

    If were going to muddle in this quandary called destiny, then nukes being the end of life should be the least of our worries. For be it from the standpoint of evolution, creation or best-case probability, any end time war will be a learning experience for all with every able bodied man a combatant giving it his all and all.

    For be it by evolution or creation, we are all born with a different level of intelligence and absolute perfection is this in human togetherness, this thing we call peace. For now everyone can experience true affection by the four most rewarding emotions known to man, as compassion and pity for those less educated excites charity and in a way that produces a grateful response.

    Comes now Empire USA with a fake morality that has everyone striving to enrich themselves upon the misery on those less educated and a most enslaving intelligence dictatorship to destroy all hope of peace.

  19. Libertarians — All of the intelligent ownership class

    Rick
    “libertarians… cannot except… taxation… it is an act of aggression against person and property.”

    Above is the premise upon which an intelligence dictatorship is based, the ideology that those born the most intelligent are entitled to the most property, while those least intelligent are nothing more then property and like a work horse may be owned and put to the plow.

    In short, who owns wealth? Those with the high intelligence needed to compete for wealth, or those with low intelligence who hard-labor generate all wealth?

  20. Bob Aldridge -www.plrc.org:The missiles in Eastern Europe are to take out the Russian second strike force, i.e. the silos not hit by Minuteman-3, Trident-2, and Smart Bombs from B-2s. The warheads on Minuteman-3 and Trident-2 are designed to minimize nuclear winter effects if used against silos according to Professor Paul Rogers. General Harbottle is still right: They ARE bloody fools in the Pentagon. CND Information Officer David Guinness suggests that the US Disarming First Strike Capability is "only" for Blackmail. Anyway, the deployment of the missiles must be stopped. They lead to Launch On Warning and Accidental Nuclear War.

  21. Early Christians were all pacifist — Not any more

    The Muslim democracy in Iran, it is quite the reverse of the Christian democracy in Empire USA.

    For Christian fundamentalists rule Empire USA, and they hold that nukes are a gift from God and that wars of aggression and drone executions will overcome evil.

    Whereas, Muslim fundamentalists rule Iran, they hold that nukes are satanic and that an army may wage war only in self-defense.

  22. We must make clear referring to Bob Aldridge -www.plrc.org-that we are on a suicide course. Bob Aldridge on the missiles in the 3 countries: Whether they are on ships or land, they are still a necessary component for an unanswerable first strike. They are to take out the Russian second strike force, i.e. the missiles not hit by Minuteman-3 and Trident-2. Professor J. Edward Anderson: The deployment of anti-missile missiles in Eastern Europe is part of a first-strike strategy. Der Spiegel 49/2011: The US Missile Shield will be fully operational by 2020. This leads to Launch On Warning and Accidental Nuclear War.

  23. [...] for huge, Federally-connected corporations to use the government to take your money. The following interview with McGovern was recently recorded on Antiwar Radio: Ray McGovern, member of Veterans For Peace and former [...]

  24. Thank you Scott for all your great work. Because of your work, and Bob Aldridge, Daniel Ellsberg, Prof. J. Edward Anderson, Dr Bob Bowman, etc. we may still have a chance of making decision-makers realize that the Pentagon doesn´t accept MAD but aims to acieve a First Strike Capability. That´s the reason the MX warhead was put on Minuteman-3 and GPS (formerly Navstar) was developed. Only for Blackmail ? The US Navy can track and destroy all enemy submarines simultaneously according to Bob Aldridge.

  25. The Pentagon began working on a Disarming First-Strike Capability in 1970. In 2018 it will be operational. According to Professor Paul Rogers the warheads on Minuteman-3 and Trident-2 are designed to minimize nuclear winter effects if used against silos. That´s the reason the MX warhead was put on Minuteman-3 and GPS was developed-to hit Russian missile silos accurately. The US Navy can track and destroy all enemy submarines simultaneously according to Bob Aldridge -www.plrc.org. Professor J. Edward Anderson: The deployment of anti-missile missiles in Eastern Europe is part of a first-strike strategy. Of course, this leads to Launch On Warning and Accidental Nuclear War. We are sleepwalking to SUICIDE. That´s the reason the great Trident missile engineer Bob Aldridge resigned. His first book The Counterforce Syndrome sold 50,000 copies in Japanese.

  26. The missiles in Eastern Europe to take out the missiles surviving First Strike by Minuteman-3 and Trident-2 (Bob Aldridge) will be operational by 2018. This leads to Launch On Warning by 2017.

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