In October, the US launched an airstrike in Afghanistan that killed three children – ages 8, 10, and 12 -while they were gathering firewood (or by some accounts, dung to burn as fuel). NATO issued its usual dismissive statement, admitting it may have “accidentally killed three innocent Afghan civilians.”
But now, according to the Military Times, the US military includes children on their list of who they’re allowed to murder with impunity.
…a Marine official here raised questions about whether the children were “innocent.” Before calling for the M142 High Mobility Artillery Rocket System mission in mid-October, Marines observed the children digging a hole in a dirt road in Nawa district, the official said, and the Taliban may have recruited the children to carry out the mission.
So digging holes in Afghanistan is now grounds for getting bombed? The children’s relatives and local tribal elders had confirmed at the time that they were not Taliban recruits and were not planting any roadside bombs.
That’s apparently not enough for the US military to simply admit that killing innocent children is wrong. Instead, they invent Orwellian rationales for why these poor children were worthy enemy combatants.
“It kind of opens our aperture,” said Army Lt. Col. Marion “Ced” Carrington, whose unit, 1st Battalion, 508th Parachute Infantry Regiment, was assisting the Afghan police. “In addition to looking for military-age males, it’s looking for children with potential hostile intent.”
There you have it. The US military is now looking for “military-age males” and “children” to kill in Afghanistan.
None of my relatives, my uncles told us war stories; until we became adult. One Uncle told me then he and troop were walking through a Italian town they had liberated and a solder just ahead of him saw a young boy running towards him and made the mistake of opening his arms to welcome a hug, but received a knife to his stomach. Yes, war is hell, because of what takes place. The children in this story were a possible treat; so justified maybe.
What do you expect? The child was just "liberated" of his family? If roles were reversed and you were the child would you have been justified? The peoples being "liberated" are people too, they have families and values and want to live theirs lives in general day to day doings. If you were these children, in your homeland would it not make any semblance of sense to protect it IF indeed that is what they were doing and not innocently collecting dung/wood for fire which is more likely the case?
Finding a rationale for killing kids is nothing less than SICK and the product of a SICK society. That makes you SICK.
until you've been there and have confronted a child trying to kill you, you shouldn't say anything..
why don't you enlist and go over there and see for yourself…
This is why we shouldn't be there in the first place. It makes us do things that can only be rationalized with "until you've been there".
Wouldn't want to enlist to INVADE someones home.
Until you've raped someone, and felt the rush of overpowering a woman who is waker than you, you shouldn't say anything.
Why don't you rape someone tonight and see for yourself…
Hmm… that doesn't make sense either does it?
So people who don't commit crimes shouldn't criticize people that do commit crimes until they've committed those same crimes?
Exactly Frank. Funny how that is completely overlooked because the criminal happens to wear a government costume.
coward
Don why don't you read some of the accounts of what Japanese soldiers, many whom have still escaped proper prosecution for war crimes due to political expediency, did to Chinese provinces; most notably Nanjing and get back to me about how " you have to be there to understand".
How would joining help at all?
If you join up, I hope some kid gets the chance to blow half your head off.
There is no rational for most people, that is why the suicide rate is so high. Only the psychopaths are unaffected by the killing of children. Children are small and can be defected by other means than stabbing in the stomach. But avoidance of killing is not part of military training.
"Only the psychopaths are unaffected by the killing of children"….then they come home and join a 'civilain protection service' like the police……thats gonna be fun for the US in years to come….reap what you sow I suppose.
Yes, war is hell and in this case the American military performs the role of the Devil. That's the whole point of this article that you managed to miss.
but that unfair the us is protecting it civilian what if the afghan solider of terrorist or what ever you call them were here wouldn't they rape and kill that irony of war and the non non-combats on the winning and losing said if someone kill your mom or dad or someone you loved wouldn't you hate or want to kill them and their worker(saying if it was a gang or the mob) is it wrong for you to hate them and is it right and is you had the chance to kill them wouldn't you do it plus their have been clams of terrorist rapping and kill their own people for help the us solder so the point of my rant is just because you see your people doing something wrong doesn't mean what their doing inst right in some people eyes the world is a cir cal what go around come around unless your stronger that on of the rules of war history is written by the victors
Makes me wonder if that guy who liberated my bike would have wanted a hug….
Great. Another sick freak who apparently has no problem murdering children. If you get off on that kind of trash please go peddle it somewhere else in pervert land. Thank you.
wouldn't they do the same thing to us are like a circal i bet if they captured American civilizon they would be demanding we live and they would say that their going to kill 1 every hour that it take for America to leave don't hold or solider to a higher stander it war their only one rule and that rule is that history is writen but the victory and criticized by the insane
You must be full of shit to dare propose such a remark.
Just like in the "good old times" in Vietnam when TIGERFORCE killed children and women just for fun of it. Even cut off their ears! The US army sure fights in genlemannery ways!
The military never condones the killing of children or any civilians. You twist words guiltily toward your own desires in the same manner of all the others extremists lying to the public. Those children probably were digging holes to plant IEDs, though they would not understand why or if they did, their intent was only to please their family. Our military did not and would never allow then to be killed for digging, but they would get killed in an attack against the enemy because our enemy puts them in harms way to protect themselves or without care for the protection of their children. We cannot see children behind walls as our enemy shoots at us from them. You would rather we stand and die, and because of people like you, many of us do die trying to save an entire country from the violence of a few.
How could the US military said that it was fair when they kill those children. Even though they are residents of Pakistan, we cannot say that they belong to the militant people the US military are hunting of.
Afghanistan not Pakista. they are totally different countries
Although I am aware that there are lots of children and minors being recruited to fight and joined the war, it doesn't mean all those children are involved and you have to kill any children that you can saw who looks suspicious.
All children in those countries are taught in school to hate and kill the infidels. ALL of them. I'm not saying it's right, I'm not saying we as a society should not hurt for these childrens but our military has to defend themselves against those are willing to kill them and we have to support them. Why aren't liberals raising hell about what these children are taught in their schools? Why aren't they raising hell about the violations against those children and women? Why do liberals just spew hate against America and it's military? Because they don't leave their comfort of their own home and their liberal bubble, that's why! They don't know what it takes to defend a country against it's enemies. They don't know valor and courage. And they don't know what is going on in the world.
You are full of bravo sierra. Every single fact and point in your comment is wrong — you've obviously never been to Afghanistan or Pakistan.
I have family that are currently there and have been there in the past. Look, why do you think we need organizations like this one? http://www.warchild.org.uk/what-we-do/afghanistan We have to stop blaming America and our soldiers on all the bad things that happen in those countries. Those people which have been there longer that we have in America are war like people and they do not value life. They kill their own and are at war with us and with themselves. America cannot bring democracy and freedom to any of those countries. I do not agree with us been there and I don't agree with us been the police of the world any longer. We have to care for ourselves and just act in self defense. Period.
" America cannot bring democracy and freedom to any of those countries"…..precicely….so WHY are your relatives there?
The fact that they are taught in school to hate us is not a reason to kill them, If it comes to it, and the child is clearly trying to kill them, then I suppose it would be necessary for the solder to protect himself. However, as a rule they should support the idea that all children are innocent and desire to protect them, even from themselves. At the same time I can understand the immense pressure and fear one might have in the circumstance of war and knowing that children could possibly be a threat. So I would try not to judge in the case of an accidental death of a child in that circumstance. but to knowingly kill children without knowing their intent is wrong. They are the future, if you desire them to see us differently then we have to paint a different picture for them to see. They are not evil, they are just misled.
At the same time I can understand the immense pressure and fear one might have in the circumstance of war and knowing that children could possibly be a threat.
As many others have pointed out, there's a very simple remedy for that situation: GET THE HELL OUT OF THESE CHILDRENS' COUNTRIES, WHERE WE DON'T BELONG IN THE FIRST PLACE.
wow ur not so innocent of hate urself. you're right they don't know what courage is because they know what cowardliness is.. killing off children and avoiding the real enemies which is the goddam government and all the hypocrisy, lies and brainwashing its been doin.these children die as martyrs and go to heaven nd ur soldiers come back with ptsd and suicide that is God 's punishment for them.
I don't pretend to know God's mind and therefore I won't say that our soldiers suicide and PTSD is God sent. This article above clearly states that it was a bomb that killed those children, it was NOT American soldiers killing in cold blood. Think you need to start looking at things in perspective. I am willing to bet if I dropped you in the middle of that war zone, you'd immediately run to get a weapon and start defending yourself. And I wouldn't blame you. We are all wired to self-perservation. There's not wrong with that. Again, our soldiers are NOT killing innocent civilians in cold blood.
This article above clearly states that it was a bomb that killed those children, it was NOT American soldiers killing in cold blood.
"Honest, it was the GUN that killed him, not me who pulled the trigger!"
"Hey, the KNIFE slashed the kid's guts out – not me. I only wielded the handle!"
"Lay offa me – I just DROPPED the bomb. The bomb itself was what killed the kids!"
You have to be sick person to kill children. And much sicker to justify it. The US seems to wage war only on poor brown people. Its ironic who is the White house ordering this bloodshed.
This slaughter of innocents perpetuated by the U.S. government is not surprising. It is typical of psychological projection. Supporters of military adventurism on the part of the U.S. are always quick to assert, "they have a 12 century culture". Really? THEY do? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arnaud_Amalric
Yes, but not one Afghan or Pakistani was involved in 9/11. The reason why we are in both those countries is to force them into being US puppets so an oil pipeline that has been the dream of the US for decades can be built and of equal importance is the vast un-tapped mineral deposits deposits in Afghanistan corporations can't wait to get their stinking hands on plus a population that has a "12th century culture" and are ripe to be made slaves of. On the other hand, the "12th century culture" doesn't want you there, especially because you kill their children.
Wait wait wait. The U.S. are the ones who are "psychologically projecting" fear? Do you not know that they kill their women and children if they don't follow Allah? Do you not know that they marry little girls as young as 6 years old? Do you not know that their women do not have any rights. Like to go to school, to drive, to work or to teach? So who's psychologically traumaticing their citizens again?
OK, Ann, you can drop the pseudonym now. Everyone recognizes you from your FauxNews segments.
So this confirms McVeigh's statement that the American citizens in the Oklahoma bombing were simply collateral damage in his on-ongoing 'war'.
No, no – it's only "collateral damage" when it's agents of the State committing the acts of murder.
Exactly liberranter. Isn't the hypocrisy sickening?
You know, it's hilarious how modern "civilized" Westerners look down on their ancestors for being superstitious. Well, these same modern westerners are just as superstitious, only their god and 'blood rituals' are different. The 'god of war' is their superstition. Children are routinely sacrificed to this evil god in the name of "freedom" (the way warmongers use this term is Orwellian it's not even funny).
All heil the great god government! *waves incense*
It's immoral to murder, especially children. Yet, somehow when government does it suddenly becomes acceptable? If that isn't superstition I don't know what is.
In the bible (yet to published) of the Great National Religion, little brown, black, yellow, and even white non-Amoricon children are all "fair game" in war. In fact, even Amoricon children are "fair game" if their death advances the "great good" (i.e., war, war, more war, and "national greatness").
Make that "greatER good."
Roman Marshall, you are a reprehensible human being. So are you Don @ December 5th, 2012 at 12:56 pm. I have a better question for you Don. Why the hell is the US military in Afghanistan? All you warmongers continue with your “why don’t you enlist and you’ll see” nonsense argument and miss the point completely. The point is we have no business in their country but sick, immoral, and degenerates like yourself will continue to justify the killing of children because you are sick.
Renee, First, our military does indeed justify and condone the killing of children and other innocent civilians or did you not read the article. Second, the US military isn’t trying to “save an entire country from violence” because our military is the violence. You justify war for the sake of doing something good and ignore the sad, disgusting history of our military only causing death and destruction upon people that are no threat to you or I. Our military has no business doing anything whatsoever in foreign lands. Their job is to defend the US not murder innocent children who are picking up crap to burn for heat.
War is hell and our brave soldiers have died protecting children and women. But you have to understand that our enemy, the Taliban, uses their children a shields, as weapons and also to carry out attacks against our soldiers. I have family that have been there and they tell our soldiers to not shoot any child or women and sometimes soldiers have lost their lives because many times, these children are carrying deadly weapons. It is not an easy thing to stomach on either side. We have to understand what our enemy is willing to do and then we counter that. Bleeding hearts, bleed for your country men and not the enemy. Below I'm posting a few articles where it speaks about what our enemy, the Taliban, are doing with their children. Again, remember, these people behead their own children and wives if they don't follow their faith. We are not the monsters. We are simply trying to bring our soldiers back home alive and not in a box. Peace be with you. http://centralasiaonline.com/en_GB/articles/caii/… http://www.militarytimes.com/forum/showthread.php… http://www.airforcetimes.com/news/2012/12/marine-…
You have a lot of chutzpah and hypocrisy saying "Peace be with you." You’re an armchair war monger and a hatemonger and have no business using the word peace. I certainly do not wish that you have peace, quite the opposite in fact. What are you even doing on this site?
I am not a war monger. I do no want war anywhere. I wish the U.S. would get out of all countries they're in right now. Think you need to step back and take a breather. I have every right to be on Any site I wish to be on.
You are a total sheep. Perpetuating the violence. All your talk…don't you see violence isn't the f***ing answer?!
and a hypocrite !
Violence is not the answer. I'd love to have you go and tell the Afghanistans that to their face. They'd mob the streets with your body. Look, I'm not saying that violence is the answer. I'm not saying that the U.S. should be in any of those countries. All I'm saying is that if you'd read a little bit of their history, you'd realize that WE'RE NOT THE FREAKING ONES WHO ARE VIOLENT! Their gov and their religion teaches violence. But you wouldn't know that because you're too blind to see outside of where you grew up.
What ??? USA is not the freaking ones who are violent…… ha,ha,
War is so exciting, can't start enough of them ! …….Vietnam, Laos, the Caribbic, Irak, Afghanistan and soon Iran…etc !
Educate yourself. When you look at the big picture, we're amatures when compared to the history of the world and their knowledge of war. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lists_of_wars
thank god for that that you are amatures…cause if you were professionals you'd just nuke the whole world…The main enforcer of violence in our history today is the USA. And I can tell you The politicians running the world today have done far worse crimes than what happened in ww2 or ww1…..They don't even bother about genocide, for them its humancide. Trying to keep as few as possible, since they'll always need some slaves.
Some people with age grow wiser, but some (you) grow only older !
Sorry Frake, I meant Maria!
"Educate yourself."
Try a mirror. I'm sure you own one.
maria…..plz do yourself and ur family a favor…convert to ISLAM and you will love wht u hate the most
"I am not a war monger."
Yes you are.
You're a warmonger AND a brainless neocon troll.
These guys are crazy.. I comprehend your intentions here and the irony I feel in their tone is hilarious to me. They are the ones claiming to be anti-war but they sound like they want to stone you for witchcraft. Human beings can be sick, cruel and inconsiderate but there is still hope for humanity. It all starts when people in the same country and understand each others opinions without acting like the kids all these people are.
just what i came here to post; "peace be with you", while cheer leading the murder of children. her post takes hypocrisy to a whole new level. absolutely sickening.
retard
The soldiers would not be at risk if they hadn't invaded and occupied a country.
If you break into someone's house and see a person with a weapon and you kill that person, you are a murderer. You can't claim self defense in that situation even if the inhabitant of the house had a weapon pointed at you.
It's great that you want the soldiers back in the US but all of your comments here seem like attempts to justify murder.
I've only added two comments. And how are YOU justifying that our military is committing murder? War is war. Our military was sent to these countries by our congress and our president. Our brave soldiers are not committing murder when they are at war. Our men and women are been shot at, bombed and attacked everyday in those countries. I'm flabbergasted that anyone would call our soldiers murderers.
When you sign up in the army you know what the army is there for. An army has never been a tool for peace, never. When you join the army you are fully aware that you very well will have to take someones life and for that reason every single soldier out there is a murderer. There is no excuse for taking anothers life except self-defense. Joining the army is going in knowing killing is what it's there for. Talibans and afghanistanis are defending their country, if anyone has the right to so called excuse by self-defense it's them. Your soldiers are intruders on their land killing innocent people, knowing full well that they are going to war to kill people. They are not excusable, except they all underwent some type of brain lobotomy.
Wow, you're pretty delusional. Most advanced countries have militaries. How would you respond to North Korea where their men HAVE to join the military because it's the law? And lets not forget that it's not only the U.S in Afganistan, there is also United Kingdom, Australia, France, and the Afghan United Front (Northern Alliance) who are there too. We are helping the Afghan people as well. It's obvious you know nothing of duty and service for your country. You stand for nothing if you think this way. Who will defend you if your country is invaded? That's right, those men and women in uniform that you call murderers.
There have been multiple accounts of human rights violations in Afghanistan. The fallout of the U.S. led invasion, including a resurgence in Taliban forces, record-high drug production, and re-armed warlords, has led to a threat to the well-being and rights of hundreds of thousands of innocent Afghan citizens, according to Human Rights Watch.
According to a report by the United Nations, the Taliban were responsible for 76% of civilian casualties in Afghanistan in 2009. The Afghanistan Independent Human Rights Commission (AIGRC) called the Taliban's terrorism against the Afghan civilian population a war crime. According to Amnesty International, the Taliban commit war crimes by targeting civilians, including killing teachers, abducting aid workers and burning school buildings. Amnesty International said that up to 756 civilians were killed in 2006 by bombs, mostly on roads or carried by suicide attackers belonging to the Taliban. Religious leaders condemned Taliban terrorist attacks and said these kinds of attacks are against Islamic ethics.
And how are YOU justifying that our military is committing murder? War is war."
This is the kind of superstition I'm talking about. When joe blow kills it's cold blooded murder. When government does it its "foreign policy". Government to you is a god. Don't bother denying it. You've already proven it.
Government to you is a god.
No, Government, to her ilk, is The One and Only God (although that doesn't stop her and millions of others like her, from blasphemously conflating it with the God of the Bible).
Ok. Lets not call them murders. Lets just call the boot-licking killers for body bag pay. Oh I guess you could call them Nazi scum who invade countries and kill whatever moves, because they can. Like most Americans, you have #*!+ for brains and know nothing about the Russian scum boot-licking soldiers that invaded Afghanistan for ten years. It is all bush-it and lies. War is evil and those Afghans are not killing our children and raping our daughters as some of our soldiers have done. Look at Vietnam, we kill over a million of them and they have forgiven us, but we continue to kill more. Martin Luther King Jr. said it best when he described the USA as the "greatest purveyor of evil". How sad that even with a black president, he is a racist warmonger!
So according to Maria, the Taliban and Afghanis children our the enemy.
Hang on a sec, who is the invader here, the Taliban, Afghanis, or the U.S. with their NATO puppets ? The INVADERS murder and maim with impunity innocent Afghanis and they have the impudence to call the local people the enemy ?
If your concerned for your relatives that are in Afghanistan, demonstrate to your Govt to get them the hell out of there, YOU and your Govt ARE IN THE WRONG, not the Afghanis people.
Citing your claims of monsters, what exactly is the U.S. blowing innocent people up from 25,000 feet ? Invading a country that has not lifted a finger against you, I guess it takes a monster to know one, what ? Incidentaly, I am a Vietnam veteran and very familiar with U.S. foriegn policies, we used similar in Vietnam, on in particular I'll never forget, we were told to kill them all, and let God worry about who was guilty and innocent. Clearly, the same policy still applies today.
All of you here are twisting my word in saying that I'm advocating the murder of children. I say you are wrong in judging me that way. What I'm saying is that you should not state that our military is committing murder when they are been sent by our gov. Regardless if you agree or disagree with our gov, you should never demonize your military which keep you and I safe at night. I don't agree with the U.S. going into those countries because I know history. I know that we were never going to be able to teach these people democracy or make them understand the value of life. They have to want peace as a people and rise up to their dictators and corrupt and warlike leaders.
So, by your logic the Nazi soldiers were innocent of any crime because they were sent "by their government". You are truly living in a fantasy world. Big Fox News watcher would be my guess.
Nazi was a political party, they chose to join the political party, the german soldiers themselves were just soldiers in the military. The Nazis were a political party such as democrats or republicans. Nazis were the politicians of germany. So it is funny you accuse people of unintelligence when you yourself are not aware.
You advocate the murder of anyone your government deems worthy of it. There is no other way to interpret your shameful posts.
Listen carefully and understand this. If the U.S. would have never ever entered these countries, those people in those countries like Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Eqypt, Yemen, Iran, etc would still be at war with eachother and with us. Are you forgetting 9-11 out of convinience or are you one of those that thing it was an inside job? 3000 Americans INCLUDING American children died in that attack. If you know anything about history, you'd understand that those folks over there as tragic as it is have always been at war and have committed attrocities to their own people and to whomever they don't agree with. Look at the Jews. The Jews have been persecuted by those since the beginning of time.
I am iranian and the middle east was fine before the US came in. Now I have to hear how they are being made to suffer in their country due to your government creating the illusion of some threat coming from them… I'm from Europe, I grew up among WW2 veteran stories from family of friends growing up… that whole jew prosecution thing was intensified on purpose since the jews made a deal with the brits to get the united states into the war but only if they received palestine in return after the war. Woman go read some real history, not the shit you learn in school. Even many Unis here in the area still teach a lot of shit, but things are beginning to stir here. I praise every protester across all Europe, finally beginning to wake up to the lies. TIme for you too ;)
And again, I come across someone who is bias because of their nationality. You are basically stating that the Holocaust is none existent and I'm the one who's suppose to be educated. Sorry, but there is nothing else I can say to you that would change your mind. I get my information from history, not just the lies that are been taught in our schools or your schools in Europe.
So she's being biased because of her nationality? what about you? You're not only being biased you're being downright racist and ignorant in thinking that those countries were far off before US went in. I can't even believe how stupid that sounds.. And even if they were, the US are involved how? They can't stand to see people being killed and a war going on? Seriously think about your logic. Also.. Instigating violence onto your own country and then having to defend yourselves after isn't bravery.
Better off*
"If the U.S. would have never ever entered these countries, those people in those countries like Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Eqypt, Yemen, Iran, etc would still be at war with eachother and with us. Are you forgetting 9-11 out of convinience or are you one of those that thing it was an inside job?"
Yes, all of those poor stupid Arabs and Muslims would be at war with each other, all the time, because they're just intrinsically warlike? How do we know that? Well, they keep shooting back everytime we invade!
Seriously, this is a deeply racist attitude you have.
As for 9-11, you seem to be the one who has forgotten. There wasn't a single Afghan or Iraqi among the 9/11 hijackers.
"If you know anything about history…"
you know that powerful countries find it easy to get a gullible public to support foreign wars of adventure.
You say she is racist for saying that the middle east is blood stained with inner warfare. Well its a fact, along with that, she is suggesting that these people kill each other over the main cause being religion. So if she is insulting anything, she is insulting their religion, which, if you need a little help – ( Religion is not the color of skin) therefore it cannot be racist.
"Listen carefully"
No idiot…YOU listen. Your contradictions are laghuable.
*laughable* (I was laughing to hard to type. lol)
Too*
still doesn't justify several MILLION deaths…..undoubtedly containing more than 3000 innocents……Israel lover (Israel is the REAL reason for these wars….Israel and resources)…..an eye for an eye makes the WHOLE WORLD BLIND!
Sounds like a good military reply. Well we don't belong there. Again not one person from Afghanistan or Pakistan was involved in 9/11. This is all about an oil pipeline and the untapped minerals. This is a war for corporation's greed. I feel sorry for all that do not see this and have been sucked into this death and destruction, but don't ask us that do see the truth to accept the wars in these countries or the killing of children.
Oh get real. If the U.S. was truely that evil and just cared about the oil, we have enough nukes to blow everyone to kingdome come. We wouldn't have to be spending alot of $$ and sacrifying our American soldiers. If America really wanted something, we'd just take it. This war is not about oil. Heck, conservatives know we have enough oil around the U.S. to last us decades but liberals keep whining about not drilling here.
And then the radiation would make the land uninhabitable and we wouldn't be able to drill for oil.
Also, liberals are opposed to drilling for oil in areas set aside as wildlife refuges, and national parks. Scientists have estimated that there is only enough oil to last for about 100 years, which is why liberals put more of an emphasis on alternative sources of energy, because we need to be planning ahead.
I say, with the U.S. popularity, we should make some sacrifies and drill here until we come up with some alternative resources. We need to get out of all those countries that seriously dislike us and we need to stop giving them the billions of dollars we give them each year and invest that money here at home. That's my humble opinion.
Osama bin lauden was from saudia arabia, why isnt the U.S military there? because they see they have no match for a strong and rich nation so they invade third world countries that have no involvment with one mans action
The ignorance is strong with this one.
"She" is just a troll. The best thing we can all do at this stage is ignore "her." Obviously "she" can't be reasoned with and debating "her" is both an exercise in futility and a violation of the Confucian prohibition against trying to reason with a fool.
"If America really wanted something, we'd just take it"…..you said it yourself lady….though just nuking everyone doesn't stimulate a war economy
Look at the picture and tell me again that these children were old enough to even understand the word hate. They look like they recently learned to walk, and you tell me that they would know how to negotiate any type of weaponry, including explosives?! I should pity you, but you just make me angry and helpless in the face of such wanton slaughter of innocents. The ones i pity are the people of this land who are left to mourn. There is no excuse for this, NONE…
Have you seen pictures of the children and women they kill themselves? Did you not look at the links I posted that show young children strapped with explosives coming to hug American soliders? The children themselves don't create the bombs, come on now. Can't be that ignorant can we? And again, I'm not advocating for the murder of children. Our soldiers are NOT murderers.
They wouldn't be carrying bombs you idiot if the Imperial City had not ordered our troops into harms way. Get it?
You are a disgrace to humanity
That's the problem with people now a days. Everyone feels entitled to a false opinion of others. God determines who lives and dies. And if we're on Earth, the it was Gods will.
Oh ok. So I guess if someone murders your children you will have no problem with it eh? After all, it's God who determines who lives and dies.
Geez this si one evil puppy.
Maria Wehmeyer you are PURE EVIL
Have you read any history books? If you had, I think you wouldn't be calling ME evil. Why would you call me evil? Simply because I'm defending our military? I'm no defending our government. Our government is corrupt and even more so now with our current POTUS. Thomas, you do not know me at all to say those things. You do not know what I do, how I serve my community and my family. So please, try to make a more educated comment next time. I'm not here to insult anyone and I would except the same from everyone here. I'm here to simply to debate the topics, not to insult or demonize someone just because of difference of oppinion or view.
For the record Maria, I don't think you're evil. In fact, I'd be willing to bet that you're a very nice person. But you do appear to be very ignorant of historical and current events (my guess is CNN, MSNBC, FOX, NYT and the rest of the corporate media is to blame for that). You just keep repeating age-old propaganda as if you're not thinking about what you're saying.
I stopped watching the main stream news years ago. They are all just paid to present lies and profit from it. I get my facts from the Bible and from history and from speaking with people all over the world. I take care of people finacially and emotionally. I do not like that my gov is in any of these countries but I do stand by my military and the people in it. My family comes from a long line of service people and they are not murderers. The holocaust did happen dispite what many on this comment thread believe. And 9-11 was not an inside job as many on this comment thread believe. How can I have an effective discussion when these basic things are not believed? It's just impossible for me to continue having any sort of conversation here.
"I get my facts from the Bible"
Well, now I know to just disregard anything you have to say from now on. Facts in the Bible is an oxymoron.
Only because you don't believe in the Bible, doesn't make me wrong just makes you an unbeliever.
Only because I trust in the Bible and you don't doesn't mean I'm a moron. It just makes you an unbeliever.
You are correct. However, what does indicate you are a moron is that you obviously believe the word "oxymoron" is the same as "moron".
Maybe so. Not evil, just a moron.
"Have you read any history books?"
Well you certainly haven't.
she reads the 'bible'….the godbotherers take it ALL as historical fact….she also ignores the nasty bits of the bible
You are talking about human beings- they do what they have to do , what would you do in their place? Put yourself in their shoes…YOU can't! You have no idea what it is like to live in HELL!
Put your ass and your babies out there, on the line, and see what you do to survive, or even to make a tiny effort for the others for which you are endeared or related to. Because you are to small and too powerless against the giants and their militias, you must do something to fight the tyranny, and to show you are alive and have a right to BE. You Maria,, are an armchair critic with nothing of value to say!
And you're powerful against our government? I doubt it. And I'm not critizing anything. I'm simply saying that no one here should be demonizing our military. Our gov put us in that mess and they should pull our military out of all those countries. We should just react when they attack us. Period. Our gov should stop sleeping with our enemies too.
You say the US "should just react when they attack us". This is precisely the situation in Iraq and Afghanistan – i.e. the US attacked them both and they have reacted as expected, in fact they have acted in the manner you suggest. Are you aware that your "peace-loving" country has over 800 military bases worldwide and have bombed and/or invaded over 70 countries since WWII. Not to mention your willingness to drop 2 nuclear bombs on defenceless women and children – acts of terror that make 9/11 pale into insignificance. To quote Martin Luther King the US "is the greatest purveyor of violence in the world today". This was said in the late 1960's. By any measure this statement is more true today than the 1960s, or any other time for that matter.
No pmg, you don't get it. It's only evil when some other country does it.
Man, a person has to be COMPLETELY brain dead not to see the irony of their perverted viewpoint.
We have been in their shoes. Um…does anyone remember 9-11? Yea, American children were in those planes and in the buildings that they crashed our planes into. We have been in their shoes, helpless and at their mercy. All of those middle-east countries have been at war with eachother since the beginning of time. Since before America was discovered. That's all they know. Why do you think that after hundreds of years, they still haven't advanced as a people? Stop blaming big bad America. They were at war even before America ever was!
I'm from Europe and basically come visit us, everyone knows that 911 was done by your own government. I'm sorry to say that it seems you probably never left the states? The whole world knows the United States attacked itself on 911. False Flag attack they call it. Sure those civilians in the original planes are dead, but their death is being shat upon by those people thinking that the revenge you guys took and are taking on the middle east is in any way justified. You don't need to be a killer to have blood on your hands, god blessed you with rationality and a brain to think for yourself, lifes lost due to ignorance are lifes lost at the hands of those that proclaimed their everlasting trust in something as superficial as a government. That's the Devil for you my dear, false idol ring a bell? God never proclaimed bloodshed but forgiveness, he never professed revenge on those that sinned, sorry to say it but I don't value any soldier, because if they didn't be such idiots and join up there would be no possibility for there to be war.GO travel the world maria wehmeyer,
the american beauty has become sleeping beauty.
Regards from the other continent to all here…stop blaming each other and realize that all blames are on oneself. Dont judge anything by only read and listened to knowledge, want to even consider having a right to any type of judgment go see with your own eyes first otherwise shut up. Not meant in a rude manner but as a generality.
Sorry Mr. Frake but you're 100% wrong. 9-11 was NOT an inside job and we have proved it over and over again. The ones who believe that, we call them wack jobs. Don't be a wack job.
Go back to sleep Maria zzzzzz…..America is a god fearing country zzzzz…. We can take anything if we want zzzzz…. Israel has never done anything to hurt anybody zzzz… The Middle East has been at war with each other since the beginning of time, that's ALL they know zzzz… Those nasty Arabs flew planes into the WTC and we invaded Iraq on the nonexistent proof of WMD zzzz… and now Obama is warning Syria not to use chemical weapons on it's own people ( he's got as much proof as that old crook george w had for WMD) Have you honestly never heard the term False Flag, what it implies and who would be behind it?! You're the epitome of a close minded arrogant racist american, the kind the world over just loves to dislike, and people like you wonder why. Oh well the u.s. will soon be bankrupted trying to juggle all these invasions, and then where will you be, hmmm…?
I didn't agree with the invasion of Iraq and I don't agree with my government going into Syria either. And yes, we were attacked on 9-11, thats not a delusion, that's fact. I'm sure the U.S. gov could have found out who was behind it and gone in and just killed those few instead of invading and I still believe that is what needs to be done now and in the future. Trust me, most Americans don't want to be in those countries. We're tired of it and we're tired of funding it and we're not getting much support from anyone. So I say, lets us get out of every single country, stop giving them billions of $ and we'll just protect our homeland. If anyone attacks us, we'd just act in self defense and that means, completely obliverate them. Think that's fair no? What do you think? Too much?
And I don't worship my government. I worship Jesus Christ alone. Don't assume to know me. And I'm well traveled thank you very much and have much more traveling to do. But I don't have to travel to know that we should respect our military and our soldiers and not start believing these conspiracy theories about 9-11 been an inside job. Give me a break!
you need to learn a thing or two, keep praying your among the rest of the brainwashed! Sleeping beauty, time to wake up and smell the roses!
I'm very awake and I understand who are enemies are and what is happening in the world. Trust me. Half the population in the U.S. are sleeping beauties and that's their own fault…I'm not part of that half.
SNOOOORE…. actually there's another site you might feel more comfortable and at home on – antipeace.com – brought to you by the ISRAELI/u.s. Middle East Peace Initiative – check it out!!
First of all, I wouldn't be on those types of websites because I do believe in peace but I also trust in God and know that we humans beens are impossible to bring peace. Only God gives that peace. I do not instigate hate. I'm here to defend our military men and women. Everyone is coming down on me when there are people on this comment thread who are dismissing the holocaust and 9-11. How can anyone have a discussion when truths are twisted into some crazy conspiracy theory? I'm not the hater here. Thing you guys need a big fat mirror.
You trust in God who gives peace? Which God ??? The one who killed, bitchered, burned, drowned (millions), and finally who throws all Infidels into the Eternal Concentration camp to watch them suffer ??
Try to count how many times that God killed….it will keep you counting for quite a while !
I am in aw of all your comments. How ignonorant can you be?
But you are one of those bible thumpers. Lots of evil in the bible too.
I guess you read a lit more up on 9/11. You are so unbelievable blind.
Just because the Taliban does wrong things, does not make it right for us to go over there and start killing too.
Look at pictures of Afghanistan in 1970. Women were dressed in modern fashion, there was n Taliban. With interverence of Russia and USA we created the Taliban.
My deceased husband was a 27 yrs veteran. My son was in Iraq and Afghanistan, he was in the reserve. They never went overseas, there mission was for trouble inside the USA, but Bush changed thar rule.
He got along with the locals. With us having traveled and lived in the far east , Europe and a Muslim nation, he did not see these people as evil.
We are invading their countries and than you are surprised they don't want us there, after bombings, killing, raping and sanctions.
Lady wake up and smell the coffee you are so brainwashed.
I slept as a little girl in our cellar during WWII, when my native country was invaded by the Germans, we did not want them in our country either.
Where all German soldiers bad, of course not, but they were at that time unwelcome.
Our soldiers right now are not fighting for our freedom, they are fighting for the interest of people in power. Where they have invested their money.
And yes, it is about gas, oil etc. even that we have enough our selves.
Better learn something about investments and Wallstreet.
May be you wake up and smell the roses.
You keep on believing in your Jesus Christ, just like the Muslims keep on believing in Mohammed, your bible, their Koran and the Jews about the Torah and keep on saying our God is protecting us, we will win and keep on hating each other and all these stupid, insane, criminal and murderous wars will never end. Till we blow the whole darn world up or make it unlivable to live on due to all our poisonous weapons.
Wonder how your Jezus Christ is going to help you than.
Oh yes, you believe he is going to return, they have been saying that for how long. Just like the moslim believe believe in a return of one of their prophets. When will all these people wake up in the real world and stand with two feet on solid ground and stop believing in fairy tales.
But religions love it, so they can control you. You Maria W. are so controlled and utterly naive.
"And I don't worship my government. I worship Jesus Christ alone."
No you don't. You worship government.
In the minds of most Amoricons, they're one and the same.
bet you've never been to a developing country outside a tour group of pastey white sandal clad yanks….. I know this, coz you CAN'T travel a 3rd world country and NOT be ashamed and embarressed by our wealth……and if you're not, have a good hard look at your 'christian ways'
Like I said before, don't assume to know me. I have been on missionary trips to 3rd world countries to give my time and money to help those in need. It's horrible and it does make you think harder of the world I live in. But I trust in God and He gives me and those poor people the strength to love Him and put our faith in Him alone. We humans are children of wrath…ALL of us.
How is that the bloody same as having bloody soldiers in your face for months and years having to fear for being shot every bloody day. You're seriously too stupid to live if you think it is at all the same.
"Since before America was discovered. That's all they know. Why do you think that after hundreds of years, they still haven't advanced as a people? Stop blaming big bad America. They were at war even before America ever was!"
I think that alone sums up your ignorance and your stupidity. You're living in a fantasy world if you seriously think the US have developed more as people. The only thing i really think the US have developed more in is the usage of media. You're a perfect example of the medias "Islam is evil bullshit"
It's amazing to me that you fail to realize that the US GOVERNMENT has 900 bases all over the globe. Now guess what's going to happen when you play empire. Get it yet? Damn you're thick as a brick.
Codswalllop. No one buys your bullshit anymore.
omg… are you kidding me!!!! our enemy the taliban, thats the funniest shit!!!!! our enemy is the almighty dollar!!!!! Peace be with you????? you need to go and figure out what peace is!!! Last time i checked peace was love, not trying to pin point our "enemy" :(
Simply Stupid & hilarious
It is just not war that is hell, live itself is hell. Do not pretend that the killing of children only happens in war. It happens all the time all over the world for one reason or another, just watch the news. Lets not pretend anymore that we are something we are not, never have been, and sadly, probably never will be.
And people wonder why so many US soldiers are committing suicide? Folks, murder is murder and regret is the worst demon to have. Especially when you come home, and look at your own baby because that is what they are, babies. Babies do have the potential to be molded into right-thinking as much as they can be molded to wrong-thinking. So, anyone who thinks murder is the right way out? You gave up on your humanity a long time ago.
Humanity is not a part of the war-game.
I hope many more US soldiers wish to commit suicide without being able to actually inflict death upon themselves, so that they spend the rest of their dirty, rotten lives in endless remorse, indulging in alcohol and drugs.
Studies have shown that soldiers have not committed suicide because of the war in afghanistan and iraq, studies have shown that they commit suicide because they have to adjust to a civilian lifestyle and miss the brotherhood of military and the feeling of being part of something great. Yes this is 121 weeks ago but hey, its never to late to correct ignorance.
PSYCHOPATHY!
Innocent or not, they aren't the ones who made this war/scam,or are causing this disgusting war/theft… These children are just that ! CHILDREN! And, they are innocent! They make no laws, have no power or voice, they are the innocent victims, and they aren't the only ones. The freaking bastards who are profiting from war don't care, and the rest of the world population are so self-absorbed that they allow the bankers, governments, and media to influence their morals away, in lieu of promises and lies of their own security and comfort.
God help us! Most of you don’t see the basic fact that we are the criminal invaders guilty of war crimes. All of it and the asinine “War On Terra” is based on lies as well as facilitating CIA/ Pentagon drug running. NONE of this insanity should be happening! There is NO VALID JUSTIFICATION.
What comment might Jesus have?
The last “good” war was The Texas Revolution!
Maria Wehmeyer—The only reason these “people” are your enemy is because your family members are occupying their country and destroying their homes and families. We have no business in their country period.
Maria Wehmeyer—” Why aren’t liberals raising hell about what these children are taught in their schools? Why aren’t they raising hell about the violations against those children and women? Why do liberals just spew hate against America and it’s military? Because they don’t leave their comfort of their own home and their liberal bubble, that’s why! They don’t know what it takes to defend a country against it’s enemies. They don’t know valor and courage. And they don’t know what is going on in the world.”
First, find a dictionary and look up the word ‘liberal’ then see if you can use it in the political sense to describe a Democrat. You cant’ so stop using words you don’t understand.
Second, I don’t raise hell about what these children are taught in school because what you claim they are taught in school and what they are actually taught are two different things. If they are taught to hate the US military because they are occupying their homes and murdering, yes murdering, their families then they have every reason to hate your family members.
Third, Afghanistan isn’t the US and their culture is entirely different than ours but that doesn’t mean we get to judge them. Nor do we have any right to force our ways on them.
Fourth, in my 42 years on this Earth there hasn’t been a single deployment of the US military to defend our country. Invading third world countries and murdering the indigenous people who live there has nothing whatsoever to do with defending America you brainwashed fool. Your family members who joined the military and went overseas to occupy foreign lands are murders and traitors to their oath to the Constitution. And their cowards as well because only a coward would justify murdering children.
Lastly, you are indeed a warmonger. Your dismissive attitude towards war the death and destruction caused by the US military all over this planet confirms your stance as a warmonger. You can tell us all how you want the US out of foreign countries but your other comments belie the truth. You support war because America wages it and that’s what people like you call patriotism.
Peace.
Israel and the U.S are sickkk how r these children shields when theyre simply living in their own country and these so called soldiers invade their land and homes… its not the taliban that want to attack and kill you, its the father and family of these innocent children. im sure you've dug holes many times in ur childhood, the only difference a man in camouflage uniform didnt show up with an m16 wanting to kill u
Israel was simply defending itself when the Palestinians were firing rockets into their countries. So just be quiet.
So, all those children that the Israeli government killed were firing rockets? Can you provide a source for your claim?
lol it seems so to her, her paranoia is really getting the best out of her
no you have it the other way around, Israel was firing rockets at innocent civilians in gaza and the Palestinians were just defending themselves since it is our country of course
shouldn't the palestinians have the right to be patriotic and defend their country , or is it only ok when americans do, im having trouble following your logic.
Nope, the Palestinians shot first. Israel belongs there, that's their land. Why is that so hard to respect?
The more i read your comments the dumber you sound. You my friend, have everything turned upside down, inside out and all around. Look back in history and i don't mean just a couple of years ago and tell me who went who and claimed the land their own. Israelis have admitted to it yet you live in ignorance and for that i seriously sympathise for you. God have mercy on your soul and hope He shows you right from wrong and guides you on the right path :)
Maria Wehmeyer—The people of Afghanistan had nothing to do with 9/11. The invasion and subsequent “war” are criminal acts in themselves so the “brave and courageous” troops are in fact committing murder. I don’t care if the President and Congress sent the military there, the military have a duty to defend the US not murder, yes murder, people in far away lands that pose no threat to us. You prove again that you are little more than a blood thirsty warmonger by attempting to justify the continued bloodshed and occupation of Afghanistan.
Maria Wehmeyer—Have you seen the pictures of Iraqi children that have been born with terrible deformities because our military, that military you worship, used depleted uranium munitions on them? Are you aware of the fact that depleted uranium is radioactive waste product? You are a total hypocrite and a disgrace to our species.
Maria Wehmeyer -“Since before America was discovered. That’s all they know. Why do you think that after hundreds of years, they still haven’t advanced as a people? Stop blaming big bad America. They were at war even before America ever was!”
Wow, your understanding of history is more than a tad bit biased. Do you know nothing of how Britain and the US divided up their lands and forced differing cultures to live side by side. Are you totally unfamiliar with the fact that America has installed puppet governments that oppress and murder the people’s of these countries? America has much to be blamed for.
Maria Wehmeyer—“Wait wait wait. The U.S. are the ones who are “psychologically projecting” fear?” So shock and awe wasn’t about projecting fear? Whatever their culture does or doesn’t do is irrelevant since we have no business involving ourselves in it. Yes, the US is projecting fear both through physical acts (bombing) and psychologically (rendition, torture, indefinite detention). You continue to blame everyone else for the crimes committed by our military at the direction of our corrupt “leaders”.
Maria —“Violence is not the answer. I’d love to have you go and tell the Afghanistans that to their face. They’d mob the streets with your body. Look, I’m not saying that violence is the answer. I’m not saying that the U.S. should be in any of those countries. All I’m saying is that if you’d read a little bit of their history, you’d realize that WE’RE NOT THE FREAKING ONES WHO ARE VIOLENT! Their gov and their religion teaches violence. But you wouldn’t know that because you’re too blind to see outside of where you grew up.”
You never explain why we are in their countries you just keep telling us how violent THEY are. If we weren’t in their country destroying their homes and murdering their children they wouldn’t have a beef with us. Again, I don’t care what the teach because it’s none of our business. By our occupation and calling those who try to defend themselves from our military terrorists and militants (why are they so militant anyway Maria) you justify the barbarity with which our military acts. Yes we are violent.
Maria– “All of you here are twisting my word in saying that I’m advocating the murder of children.”
Nobody here is twisting your words. They are your words and you typed them. Each and every post of yours you have gone out of your way to justify the occupation and war. By doing so you are promoting the death of innocent people including children.
“Regardless if you agree or disagree with our gov, you should never demonize your military which keep you and I safe at night.”
Never, never acknowledge the crimes committed by our (your) military then right Maria? As I said further up, the US military has never in my lifetime done anything to protect me or my family. Quite the opposite actually since their actions in all corners of this planet have made it unsafe to travel on a US passport. You can get down on your knees and lick the boots of the ignorant, the naive, and the psychopaths that make up the US military but don’t tell us they keep America safe because they don’t. Should we not criticize that US sergeant who murdered seventeen Afghans when they slept? According to you we should only be proud of that murderer right?
Maria—“Listen carefully and understand this. If the U.S. would have never ever entered these countries, those people in those countries like Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Eqypt, Yemen, Iran, etc would still be at war with eachother and with us.”
You are an obsenely ignorant woman. Please tell the rest of us (you keep telling us what a good student of history you are) which of these countries were at war with each other before we got involved? Each country you listed here were not engaged in any wars of any kind with each other or any other country.
Yes, we get it. You believe in your heart that our culture is vastly superior to theirs yes? Please tell us then, if these other countries are so violent, how many countries have they invaded and how many people have they killed? Since the end of WW2 it’s estimated that the US military has killed over 22 million people. So, are those “violent” countries killing more people than us?
Maria–“Have you read any history books? If you had, I think you wouldn’t be calling ME evil. Why would you call me evil? Simply because I’m defending our military? I’m no defending our government.”
Oh contrair, by defending every action taken by our (your) military you justify every evil thing they do. That includes the killing of children. Further, by defending the war and the actions of the military you are in fact defending the government because you are defending its foreign policy of murder, rape, theft, and corporate fascism.
By the way, I’ve yet to hear you prove you’ve actually read these “history books” you keep speaking of. The Military Channel isn’t a good source for history by the way.
Maria–“I am willing to bet if I dropped you in the middle of that war zone, you’d immediately run to get a weapon and start defending yourself.”
I’m absolutely positive I wouldn’t let you drop me in that warzone because I oppose that war along with all of our other non-declared wars. But let’s say you did. The first thing I would do is find a way to the border and leave because I don’t want any part of it. That’s the difference between me and the military. Their too cowardly to just not go or they actually want to kill.
If the military is filled with good men and women why do they continue to enlist? They have to know full well that their government is going to use them as cannon fodder for profits. If they don’t know this then they’re just stupid. There is nothing honorable about being in the military and they deserve the ridicule they get.
Maria—“Israel was simply defending itself when the Palestinians were firing rockets into their countries. So just be quiet.”
That’s right damnit. F-U and freedom of speech. Maria has told you to be quiet.
Israel always defends itself when it destroys hospitals, schools, and civilian homes. Like our beloved military, according to Maria, Israel too can never be criticized. Even when they have become the Nazi’s they hated. You Maria, are a sick, reprehensible human being.
Maria–“Who will defend you if your country is invaded? That’s right, those men and women in uniform that you call murderers.”
I’ll grab my own weapons and defend my family. Ask yourself one tiny question statist. Who in the world is going to invade the US? No military on Earth could successfully invade the US which is why it isn’t something that those of us who can think for ourselves consider. We’re helping the Afghans? The same way we liberated the Iraqi’s by destroying their country and murdering their children? They don’t want us there and we are not helping them. If you truly did worship Jesus then you’d be demanding that we leave these people alone. Like most phony Conservatives in the US I’m guessing your a phony Christian as well. So you don’t worship the government but you sure as shit worship the military which is just as despicable.
Maria–“How would you respond to North Korea where their men HAVE to join the military because it’s the law?”
Kind of like Israel.
“If the U.S. was truely that evil and just cared about the oil, we have enough nukes to blow everyone to kingdome come. We wouldn’t have to be spending alot of $$ and sacrifying our American soldiers. If America really wanted something, we’d just take it.”
The US is evil because our foreign policy is evil. If you don’t see how the US takes whatever it wants whenever it wants your not only a fool but a blind fool. Our government sacrifices US soldiers because they are cannon fodder. Nothing more, nothing less. The US isn’t going to nuke anybody because 1) other countries have nukes and could destroy us as well and 2) the US government and its fascist corporate paymasters need slaves. Let me ask you something Maria, you claim to worship Jesus Christ and I’m sure you pray for the safety of our murderers in uniform as they oppress foreign peoples in their own homes, but do you bother to acknowledge those they kill? Do you just consider every single innocent person killed by the US military as nothing more than collateral damage? Never mind, I already know your answer despite what you may write here. The only good foreigner is a dead foreigner in your eyes.
There is some serious mission fail if our military is reduced to killing children because they are “digging a hole in a dirt road.”
We need to go back and ask the question: why are we even there? If the answer is anything other than “to conquer” then it’s not honest.
ok Maria…. it's quite obvious you are uneducated and know little about history. First off I am a Palestinian American, and you my dear are far far from knowing what is occuring in the world and that Israel is the main reason for most of the wars in the middle east. Ok Israel has been invading Palestine for the past 60 years and so, forcing people out of the land, building illegal settlements, building illegal walls and setting up checkpoints preventing Palestinians from going anywhere even on the way to get an eduaction, demolishing their homes, taking their land and property, advocating apartheid,
Ok so now you have some knowledge of how they were treated, let's look at how innocent Israel is,
Israel is known by the UN for breaking 65 international crimes (war crimes) Iraq only had two and got invaded bombed and destroyed,
ISrael has ethnic cleansed more than 500 villages
have expelled over 6 million palestinians from the country forcing them to live in concentration camps
Israel has killed more women and children than hamas would in 1000 years.
Israeli forces have beaten and raped palestinian women on a daily basis
Jewish settlers have killed innocent Palestinians and vandalized their homes and taken their homes just because they are "jews" aka "the chosen ones'
ISrael has burned down 1000s of Mosques and Churches and have put up pornography in them
Israel has been bombing gaza for the past decade aiming for women and children
Israel are fighting in the name of zionism, so why is the U.S supporting them when it comes to their God?
SO maria I suggest you go get an education because you really do sound dumber than you think :p
I do apologize but I disagree and you stating that you're palestinian only adds to the fact that you're bias and hate Israel. I'm sorry but Israel belongs there…that land is theres and was givent to them since the beginning of time. I'm not only talking about the conflicts from 60 years ago. I'm talking about since the time of Abraham. Let's just agree to disagree. Nothing I say or truth I state is going to change your mind.
im not bias, it only sounds like i am because that's reality, one side is suffering while the other is killing thats the truth, so why is it ok to incorporate your religious beliefs into to justify holy war and that the palestinian muslims and chrisitians have to deal with zionist control and oppression, but when a jihadist goes to attack in the name of Allah they are instantly labeled, what if I dont believe in your biblical claims, does that justify the killings of thousands of Palestinians
I'm sorry but GIVEN to them? really that's your claim that Palestine is wrong cause the land they live on was GIVEN to Israel? Given by whom exactly? And if it was given since the time of Abraham, which as you should hopefully know was a long time ago, how exactly is it that they haven't been there the whole time? the whole country decided to take a vacation somewhere?
The land of Israel has known war for a very long time. While many regard the relentless state of conflict in Israel as something unique to the present age, it is in reality no different than what it has always been. Even Abraham, a peaceful man from Iraq (see The Journey From Ur Of The Chaldees), guided by genuine righteousness (not self-righteousness), went to war when he was forced to fight – during which the LORD (see The Rock Of The Church) not only blessed him after the victory, but blessed him with the victory. While returning home, Abraham was met by Melchizedek, the King of Jerusalem (who was much more – see A History Of Jerusalem: Melchizedek's Salem), who attributed Abraham's success to "the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand."
After liberating the Israelites from an oppressive later Pharaoh (see Why Did They Go To Goshen?), by destroying the Pharaoh's army in battle, the LORD gave the Israelites the Promised Land, but He required them to fight for every inch of it. What in fact they were "given" was military success i.e. "the LORD delivered all their enemies into their hand."
And they said unto Joshua, Truly the LORD hath delivered into our hands all the land; for even all the inhabitants of the country do faint because of us." (Joshua 2:24 KJV)
So Joshua ascended from Gilgal, he, and all the people of war with him, and all the mighty men of valour. 10:8 And the LORD said unto Joshua, Fear them not: for I have delivered them into thine hand; there shall not a man of them stand before thee." (Joshua 10:7-8 KJV)
21:43 And the LORD gave unto Israel all the land which he sware to give unto their fathers; and they possessed it, and dwelt therein. 21:44 And the LORD gave them rest round about, according to all that he sware unto their fathers: and there stood not a man of all their enemies before them; the LORD delivered all their enemies into their hand." (Joshua 21:43-44 KJV)
Does that mean that the LORD is for war? No. The Ten Commandments, if humanity obeyed them, would produce a world of perfect peace – as it is going to do (the famous "swords into plowshares" prophecy, when all the world obeys God's Law). But in the meantime, the LORD favors the one who is righteously and lawfully defending himself, his property, or his country. As we read, when Abraham's nephew Lot was kidnapped and his property looted, Abraham went after the aggressors (at the time, there were no police or army that Abraham could call upon) and the LORD "blessed" him with a victory. When the Israelites took the land of Israel in the time of Moses and Joshua, they were rightfully and lawfully doing so because the Creator and Owner ("…for the world is mine, and the fulness thereof" Psalm 50:12 KJV) authorized and commanded them to do so, by means of force, because the occupiers refused to leave peacefully. The same was true for David's taking of Jerusalem.
Israel was able to become an independent nation in 1948 because Britain successfully fought to free the land of Israel from over 400 years of occupation and rule by the Muslim Ottoman Empire.
Your thinking is SO anachronistic.
ha ha ha ha
What is a palestinian?
ok Maria…. it's quite obvious you are uneducated and know little about history. First off I am a Palestinian American, and you my dear are far far from knowing what is occuring in the world and that Israel is the main reason for most of the wars in the middle east. Ok Israel has been invading Palestine for the past 60 years and so, forcing people out of the land, building illegal settlements, building illegal walls and setting up checkpoints preventing Palestinians from going anywhere even on the way to get an eduaction, demolishing their homes, taking their land and property, advocating apartheid,
SO no I wont be quiet, I won't be silent while the people of Gaza are dying due to genocide by israel
they are no better than hitler, you'd think they'd have some sympathy after what the nazi's did but they turned out worse, repeating history only they're the one's taking action
Again how is Israel defending itself when ISrael itself is an illegal state forced itself onto PAlestine
ISrael has murdered women and children more than hamas would in 1000 years
ISrael has been bombing gaza for the past decade, so it;s only natural for the Palestinian people to resist and fight back, you see it's logic you're to use not ignorance
Israel has prevented aid from reaching gaza as well as food and supplies after bombing the crowded city, and have killed those who were trying to help
Israel practices apartheid, genocide, and war crimes
their religion teaches them to hate and believe they are superior
They believe all gentiles are too be off the land and killed'
So why is the U.S a strong ally with Israel?
Why is it ok for ISrael to kill in the name of their beliefs
Why don;t you ask yourself that question and do us a favor and go get an education
watch occupation 101 on youtube and we'll see how much you really know about war
In 1967, Israel offers 100% of the West Bank to Jordan, Sinai and Gaza to Egypt and Golan to Syria. In 1982, Israel gives up 100% of Sinaid to Egypt for peace. In 1993, Israel gave up land to Palestinian Authority. In 1994, Israel gave up land to Jordan for peace. In 2005, Israel gave up 100% of Gaza to Palestinians. And in 2008, Israel offered 95% of West Bank to Palestinians. How much more compromising does Israel need to make to get people off their backs? Seriously, if this was a situation between lets say a man and a woman during a divorce and the other person would still want more and more, I'd side with the one who is trying to make peace. The persons wanting more and more is pretty much beligerant and un-negotiable. Arabs have stated over and over again that they want to see every Jew killed. That means they want to kill every man, woman and child. They speak hate and they teach it to their children. I'm also not saying that Israel is perfect. We all have things to learn. But I know Israel wants peace.
I'm a follower of Jesus Christ and I believe what the Bible teaches about the Jews, Israel and the Gentiles. That is why I support Israel and not only because my gov support it. And the U.S. is Israels ally because they supported Britain in 1948 because Britain successfully fought to free the land of Israel from over 400 years of occupation and rule by the Muslim Ottoman Empire.
Ohh…brother. Let me guess. You're another one of those idiot fundies who thinks Israel is somehow perfect because "God said it was". Yeah ok gotcha.
Where do they dig up these simple minded idiots?
Only because you're not a believer of Jesus Christ doesn't make ME an idiot, it simply makes You an unbeliever. And lets not defer to calling eachother names. Typically if you do that is because you have no way to explain or defend your argument. Capisce?
Guess what genius, I'm a Christian too. you;re an idiot because you're an idiot. not because you're a follower of Christ. Don't play victim here. Capisce?
And NO one is perfect, and that is including Israel.
That's a start. Now practice what you preach.
war is wrong doesnt matter how you view it, brainwash is always the way they try to make excuses, war is all about natural resources and the bottom line, MONEY!!!!! They will over power anyone to get what they want!!!!!! Disgusting, r.i.p. lil ones! Its a cruel corrupt world!
omg, people dont waste your time with people whom are stuck on stupid, its a waste of energy, you cant get through to some people its pointless, like talking to a wall, and extremely frustrating when its someone who thinks they know everything, and really know nothing at all!!!! :)
Yeah your that type of person it seems like the way you are talking.
I have a friend that is in the Military and I did try to talk him out of it but he said I wont to be a hero to everyone not just one person they do it for them selves AND US
:'(…Children love playing in the sand…actually they have a right to ! Apparently the military does so also ! US MILITARY why do you not begin to seek out children with “potential hostile intent” in your own country ? How many people go crazy and kill innocent people in the US alone ? Do they only have the right to do so ? Just let beautiful Afghanistan be !
I'm sorry for this intrusion, I see from your site that we are very much into the same things.
“Do you not know that they marry little girls as young as 6 years old? Do you not know that their women do not have any rights.”
What’s wrong with that? Young girls are often very sweet and cute. They make good little companions for men.
NATO issued its usual dismissive statement, admitting it may have “accidentally killed three innocent Afghan civilians.”
You state correctly, NATO. So why this anger towards the U.S.? We have multiple countries in this conflict, not only the U.S. I guess it's just easier to blame America for everything.
because its the americans going around killing innocent children,,,,,,,
There have been multiple accounts of human rights violations in Afghanistan. The fallout of the U.S. led invasion, including a resurgence in Taliban forces, record-high drug production, and re-armed warlords, has led to a threat to the well-being and rights of hundreds of thousands of innocent Afghan citizens, according to Human Rights Watch.
According to a report by the United Nations, the Taliban were responsible for 76% of civilian casualties in Afghanistan in 2009. The Afghanistan Independent Human Rights Commission (AIGRC) called the Taliban's terrorism against the Afghan civilian population a war crime. According to Amnesty International, the Taliban commit war crimes by targeting civilians, including killing teachers, abducting aid workers and burning school buildings. Amnesty International said that up to 756 civilians were killed in 2006 by bombs, mostly on roads or carried by suicide attackers belonging to the Taliban. Religious leaders condemned Taliban terrorist attacks and said these kinds of attacks are against Islamic ethics.
Bit of a controversy there. http://www.ipsnews.net/2011/11/isaf-data-show-night-raid...
Another issue: first to define "Taliban," then to prove that's 'who dunnit.' And if our gov't got out, what would numbers be like then.
15 of the 19 hijackers were Saudi's you idiot.
But there weren't hiding in Saudi now were they? And were did we find Bin Laden? In Pakistan! *sighs* Like I've said before, I don't agree with any invasion of any country because of the actions of a few. I also don't agree with sending Any country billions of dollars every single year.
So what if they weren't hiding in Saudi Arabia. That is irrelevant.
And guess what genius, the Imperial City started a war that has killed hundreds of thousand over nothing. Geez get your head out of your ass.
Wow, if all soldiers were not doing their jobs, every single military in the world would dismantel. You don't understand what it means to be a soldier and what it means to defend a country. How would you defend your country against an enemy I wonder.
Defend this country? You think they are actually defending this country by invading two-bit third world nations? LOL! Are you really THAT stupid?
No but you are you idiot. We went into the other counties because we want to wipe out the terrorist, who by the way murdered how many people on 9/11?
No one said we are justified to murder but you are confusing murdering in cold blood with war. When you are at war, people will die on both sides. It’s not a good thing, and I’m not advocating for murdering of children. Fact is that Israel has every right to defend itself if attacked. Fact is that Israel has since the beggining been persecuted and will always be until the return of our Lord. Until then, we will always be at war. I don’t want that and I’m sure many of those in those wars want that either but unfortunatly, human will never know peace. We’re too full of disbelief and hatred and ignorance.
it is against Islamic ethics so stop referring to their religion because the Taliban like the US military are cowards. I am 100% against terrorism and I know for a fact the religion doesn't support it, im assuming you don't much about Islam, one of the repeating versus in the Quran is God ordering the muslims not to cause mischief on the earth, so therefore the taliban don't practice the religion the right way and they will be judged for their actions. Just like the U.S military will be as well… i hate seeing disturbing images of people being brutally murdered like it's some sort of game they're playing,
I respect every religion but you can't be so naive and bury your head in the sand. There are extremist in the Muslim religion. We see it every single day. Attacks, bombs, beheadings, human rights violations. And it's not just once in a blue moon. It's Every Single Day. You don't see Christians going around killing people and forcing them to join their religion. And you are correct, if ANYONE has done wrong on their earth and doesn't repent, they will be judged by God. I pray for everyone involved in these wars which I wish wouldn't have to be fought. I pray for both sides. No one wants their children killed and I do hurt for those families of these childrens and I pray for peace and I pray for forgiveness and ask God to open our eyes to worship Him and Him only. I am not a hateful person. I want people to do what is right. I want these wars to stop. And we need to start somewhere, meet in the middle.
Everybody misuses the bible/religion for their own selfish gain on some level. Even the apostle Paul plainly admits that he sinned everyday, it's in our nature. All that said I don't understand why America can't just build a missile defence system and have our troops stay in their home land and be able to live good lives and keep all their body parts. Our government is the real problem, back in the era of WWII we didn't fight Japan until they bombed our Country, and we didn't fight Germany until Albert Einstien convinced our leader of how dangerous Germany had become and what their intentions were. but now we fight wars for who knows what.
Ok stop with your narrow thinking and my head isn't buried in sand my eyes are open wider than yours will ever be, there is extremist in every religion including Christianity do you have people like Jim Jones and those that did the oklahoma bombing as the deifinition and represent your religion, no we don't force people to accept islam thats why there are non muslims living in other muslim countries and if you know anything about the Quran or the teachings of our beloved prophet, you would know that we only fight in combat when under oppression thats what the Quran teaches and in chapter 2 of the Nobel Quran there is a verse that clearly states "there is no compulsion in religion"
This is nothing new. ‘Potential terrorists’ are what children are, and there are millions of them. We can’t kill them all, but we can put the fear of god into them… but no. We can’t.
The slaughter of innocents continues as we prepare for the season of peace on Earth and good will toward men. Apparently this doesn't apply to children. I wrote a brief, hard-hitting song and music video that touches on this very matter: Not In My Name Anymore: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIqXbROs2b0&fe…