Massacring Palestinians with Impunity

Originally appeared on The American Conservative.

Israeli forces have shot and killed at least three dozen unarmed Palestinians and wounded many hundreds more in the latest attack on Gaza protests:

Gaza’s Health Ministry says the number of Palestinians killed by Israeli army fire amid mass protests near the Gaza border has reached 37, making it the deadliest day since a 2014 war with Israel.

The ministry says at least 448 Palestinians were shot and wounded Monday, while hundreds more suffered other types of injuries, including from tear gas.

The violence made it the deadliest day in Gaza since the devastating cross-border war between the territory’s Hamas rulers and Israel four years ago, and clouded the opening of the U.S. Embassy in Jerusalem.

Israeli forces have been using excessive and illegal force against unarmed protesters for weeks, but this is the worst that it has been so far this year. There is no excuse for killing unarmed protesters, and there is no justification for wounding–and sometimes crippling–unarmed people with live ammunition. Gunning down dozens of people in a single day qualifies as a massacre no matter how much anyone wants to spin it as something else. The escalation of violence has been a one-sided affair as Israeli forces have been killing unarmed Palestinians with impunity for more than a month, and the predictable claims of “self-defense” ring more hollow than ever.

Doctors Without Borders (MSF) reported last week on the severity of the injuries that their clinics have been treating:

Even though there is not a war in Gaza, the injuries sustained by our patients are terribly similar to what we see in conflict zones. We estimate that more than 39 percent of our 554 current trauma patients will require long-term rehabilitation, lasting at least until the end of the year. While the majority of our patients are young men around 20 years old, we have treated 98 children and adolescents under 18.

Ninety-one percent of our trauma patients were shot in the legs, many at close range. Several will be handicapped for life, putting tremendous pressure on the already beleaguered health system, impoverished families, and the whole society.

The injuries are similar to those seen in conflict zones because the protesters are being fired upon by Israeli soldiers using live ammunition.

The MSF report continues:

The severity of the injuries demonstrates that Israeli forces are resorting to disproportionate force to incapacitate the protesters. The result is unnecessary damage and suffering.

The report concluded by warning that “an entirely avoidable – potentially even deadlier – blood bath may be just days away.” The bloodbath that MSF feared is happening today. The death toll is likely to go higher than the 37 fatalities confirmed so far.

If it were almost any other government in the world doing this, our government would be condemning it in the strongest terms. Unfortunately, most of our political leaders will respond to the illegal and unwarranted use of lethal force against unarmed people by a US client with a shrug, and as usual the Israeli government will be shielded from the consequences of its outrageous actions.

Daniel Larison is a senior editor at The American Conservative, where he also keeps a solo blog. He has been published in the New York Times Book Review, Dallas Morning News, Orthodox Life, Front Porch Republic, The American Scene, and Culture11, and is a columnist for The Week. He holds a PhD in history from the University of Chicago, and resides in Dallas. Follow him on Twitter. This article is reprinted from The American Conservative with permission.

236 thoughts on “Massacring Palestinians with Impunity”

      1. How many Paly children grow up to be educated and successful citizens?
        Vs, Israeli children?

        The proof is in the culture.

        1. How many chosen ones in the Warsaw Ghetto grew up to be and educated and successful? Read the article again for the truth.

          1. Almost like the Palestinian people aren’t real!y human in your eyes…. We’ve seen this attitude before. The hatred. The contempt. The Jewish people were on the receiving end once. The sympathy and compassion for what the Jewish people went through, not just in Germany but historically, is not without limits. The Jewish state is rapidly using that good will up.

            We need to ask some questions. How much aid does Israel get from the USA government? How much in donations? How much debt forgiveness? The donations are a matter of choice. It is a individual choice where their money is spent, but for those that have not chosen so, to be forced to fund this regime is immoral.

            How many wars have been fought by the USA that only benefited Israel? How much has that cost the American people? How much has it cost the world?

          2. Members of a homicidal-cult “religion” should be ostracized and avoided.

            Jews are not perfect by any stretch, but they do not reward murder with bounties from the govt like the Pales do.

            So, let’s answer some “questions”.
            Aid from the US govt, off hand I don’t know, but I am opposed to ANY!
            Ditto ‘”aid” to Pales.
            Donations are none of our business.
            Debt forgiveness, I oppose all.
            How many wars fought by the US for Israel? Zero.
            The cost of American wars should be born by Americans.

          3. Nice AIPAC tactic there!!! No one here has an issue with “the Jews”; the issue is with the Israeli Regime. Just because the Regime is Jewish doesn’t mean they get a pass on human decency.

          5. What Jews??? Judaism does not exist in Israel..Zionism, the fabricated illegitimate ideology that has highjacked Judaism, well yes. Leave the Jews alone. What exists in Israel, especially the government, and all those who condone its actions are Zionists, not Jews.

          6. Semantics,
            OK the Israelis don’t teach their children to buckle on suicide belts for allah, their is a huge difference.

          7. no but they do emphasize Jewish supremacism and that all other humans are equivalent of dogs including their dumbass amen corner in the Christian Zionist movement who have been completed douped into this Christian Judiasm same religion bullshit.

          8. The facts are Paley kids from kindergarten are taught to hate the Israelis.
            The reverse, not so in Israeli schools.

          11. They do. If you recall those kmages of Israeli children writing messages on the mussiles the idf sent to gaza

          13. They are taught to resist their occupier from birth, and rightly so.

          16. Indeed so in Israeli schools they’re brainwashed into thinking that they legitimately have a higher claim to the land than the Palestinians.

          17. Klan white supremacists
            Khomeni followers Shia supremacists
            Al Qaeda Sunni supremacists
            Baathists Arab supremacists

          18. Instead they teach them to kill women and children with phosphorous pounds, shoot Kingston the back, use rifles against stones, bulldoze the homes of enyire familiesf enforce apartheid and call it ‘moral’

          19. There was no state of Israel,,,there has never been a state of Israel before 1948…Canaan was the land of the jewish TRIBES and the Philistines (Palestinians) whom were there long before Abraham ever came in. Moses (jew) wrote the first 5books of the old testament, he wrote the alleged encounter of Abraham and God (what god) 2Kyrs after the elleged event. The “promised land, the chosen people, the greater Israel..: are jewish religious mythology. The Bible did not include any of those myths which were added later by jewish publishers. The Bible is NOT a legal, historical, academic,scientific text is NOT…many religious orthodox jews do NOT believe in the bible which they regard as a work of fiction. The Bible is ONE of many religious texts Koran, PupulVuh, Hindi texts, etc. The Romans put destroyed the jewsih temple back in 98AC and put an end to the jewish province, jews became citiznes of their countries of birth,,,Jewishness is NOT a nationality is a religious/racial contruct…

          20. In fact, Israeli Jews commit all sorts of crimes against the Palestinians without legal consequence

          22. So Palestinians defending themselves is not a crime. It works both ways. Hamas is a legitimate resistance movement, as is hizbollah.

          24. There are 660+ commandments in the law of Moses, and about a third of them carry the death penalty. Talking back to your parents for instance, or masturbation. How much does Stokr masturbate to the sadistic use of Torture by Israel, their ARAB comrades and partakers of Islam, and of course the good ol’ USA? I bet that monkey gets spanked a lot, I bet too that it was spanked when a REAL Mensch interrupted the cheerleading for Torture in Congress and the Capitol PIGS, six of them just in the picture, beat down the REAL Man and REAL patriot. Apparently you “good and not really terrorist” assholes believe very strongly in having elderly Patriots beaten for not bowing down to your Whoremaster Trump. A lot of you pathetic cowards say it’s “Treason” to talk back to your Master. And so many also loudly cry out for Posse Comitatus, which is the doctrine that if the Government can’t or won’t punish a crime the citizens have a right and duty to punish the crime. Well? Treason is a capital offense, are you going to give Mob “Justice” to somebody like for instance ME talking bad about your fucked up Hate Criminal in the White House? You gonna do that, “hero”? I’ll bring the rope if you bring the BALLS.

          25. Wow, that’s quite an imagination you’ve got there.
            My particular disdain for extremist Muslims is they ACT on homicidal calls from Allah.
            Not so the Jew, Christian, Hindu, Mormon, wiccan etc. at least not in the main.
            But you have probably missed the last 30+ years or so of airplane hijackings, beheadings, 911, and endless wars against their so-called infidels.
            Well time for a comparative study for you then.

            No other “religion” comes even REMOTELY close when you tally up the cumulative carnage of Islam!

          26. “My particular disdain for extremist Muslims is they ACT on homicidal calls from Allah.
            Not so the Jew, Christian, Hindu, Mormon, wiccan etc. at least not in the main.”

            At the MOMENT, the extremists within Islam happen to seem most inclined to act on said homicidal calls in the most places.

            At other times in history, each of the religions except the last two have claimed pride of place.

            With respect to the Mormons, they never gained widespread influence outside of small enclaves in Ohio, then Missouri, then Illinois, and finally Utah. But they did in fact so comport themselves at times (e.g. the Meadows Massacre).

            With respect to the Wiccans, they are still a young neo-religion which has also not claimed a great deal of influence. But to the extent that they are based on older pagan religions, the adherents of those religions were in fact quite bloodthirsty at times.

            But the simple fact is that people are people and will find excuses for what they want to do. The fact that for some people that excuse is Islam in no way indicts the billion-plus Muslims who do NOT engage in terror and violence, nor does it particularly indict Islam itself.

          27. I don’t disagree,
            but— today—- the threat is from Muslim extremist by far over any other religion.
            That is my only point.

          28. To ascribe religion in human conflict is obfuscation. When San Francisco comes to play baseball, do we expect actual giants to take the field? Everything in this universe is expansion and resistance. Human conflict is about real estate.

          29. Hundred Years War. Enough said, unless you can’t actually Look Shit Up. Other spectacular examples are the Crusades and the Inquisition. If you want to look up the Jew on Jew violence in the Bible you can. It’s a best-seller and most churches and synagogues can provide you one. Leviticus is full of that, so is every other book in the Bible. Judges, the Israelites of 11 tribes almost destroyed the tribe of Benjamin, then they found a city whose people didn’t destroy Benjamin were visited by the 11 tribes who KILLED EVERYBODY WHO WASN’T A GIRL OR WOMAN WHO WOULD BE ABLE TO BECOME PREGNANT, meaning elderly woman and of course every Male, even the BABIES and it’s celebrated in the Bible. The “christian” U.S. killed a third of the population of North Korea and in VietNam used more ordnance against a rebellion fighting against a Banana Republic Puppet Dictatorship who had exactly 2 presidents, the first was murdered by the second WITH THE CONSENT AND AID OF THE U.S. GOVERNMENT than were used on the Axis powers during WW2 and none of the leaders against the Viet Minh were Muslim. Plenty of American ‘christians’. and then there’s Libya, Iraq and Afghanistan, none of whom attacked America, Puppet Dictatorships just like South Korea, Japan and the Former Saigon government., where the same argument you just did. LIAR.Shah Mohammad Reza Pahlavi was Muslim, right? Put into power by the British and Americans as Just Another Puppet Dictator and the heinous act the Iranian People did was get rid of Pahlavi and his parasite family.

            Oh, and the millions of soldiers and civilians during the World Wars, how many of the christians and Jews and Muslims were actually killed by Muslim soldiers? Proportionately. How much bloodshed and death from ‘christian’ armies, all in the many names of God? I’m Christian and really pissed off by the ‘christian’ agenda. Dissemble all you want. I’m not God and neither are you. Yet you propose killing people in the name of God without once asking His permission.

            More? The Anglo “americans” with their ethnic cleansing Right Here At Home since 1585. In the Name of God. That’s MY FAMILY who have been in America 12,000 YEARS, and there’s very little letup in the American Holocaust.

          30. Again, snippets of history don’t justify bloody riots directed at a country for welcoming an embassy to it’s capital.
            But you can churn away re. every grievance in history if you must,
            it still remains off topic, thanks.

          31. Well, except that it was the Israeli troops who rioted, with deadly effect.

            And except that the Israeli government decided to claim as its capital, and the US government decided to locate its embassy on, other people’s property.

          32. Jerusalem is a divided city,
            BUT—it –IS– the capital city of Israel, the nation.
            The US merely moved it’s embassy to Jerusalem
            WHERE the Israel govt offices are located.
            That is nobody’s business but Israel and the US.

            There is a “green line” in Jerusalem, the US embassy is located on the Israeli side of that divided city, it is Israeli property.

            Gaza rioted and many injuries and deaths occurred,
            BUT not in the West Bank!
            That should be your first clue.
            The Gazan’s willingly sacrificed their children for a political stunt, to feed their meme of endless persecution.
            As if, an embassy move is “persecution”!

            If they had conducted themselves like the Palestinians in the West Bank, none of this carnage would have occurred.
            Gazan’s will riot over anything

            They try to dupe you.

          33. Again, you’re both full of shit and wrong. Those are not snippets of history, those are a continuous unbroken record of genocide, colonialism and human rights violation. You can spin all you want to but you get no closer to the truth.

          34. You’re full of shit. All religions including Judaism have a record of genocide. Christianity probably outdoes Islam for 2000 years of mass murder.

          35. US politicians from both parties take over $3 BILLION from American tax payers every year and give it to the Jewish state of Israel. On a daily basis it amounts to $10.1 million PER DAY ( http://ifamericaknew.org/ ). The Iraq War was started by US politicians from both parties for Israel’s benefit ( http://www.ipsnews.net/2004/03/iraq-war-launched-to-protect-israel-bush-adviser/ ) and for the benefits to their own political careers they receive from the overly powerful Israel lobby.

            The basis of all of this is the ungodly, cruel and brutal Hebrew Bible/Old Testament which claims God gave all of that real estate to the Jews to have forever. It’s disgusting and dangerous that we live in a nuclear age with our thinking stuck in ancient times. Albert Einstein warned us about this when he wrote, “The world that we have made as a result of the level of thinking that we have done so
            far, has created problems we cannot solve at the level of thinking at which we created
            them . . . . We shall require a substantially new manner of thinking if humankind is to
            survive.” ( http://deism.com/einstein.htm )

          36. I oppose ALL foreign aid except for humanitarian relief.
            I would stop any aid to Israel and Palestinians that is not directly related to
            humanitarian efforts.

            The Iraq War was a colossal mistake but do not think the primary reason for it was Israel.

            Jewish claims do go back to biblical times, no doubt, so there is validity there. How far back are we allowed to go regarding who first own occupied the land? Only to 1948? Ridiculous.

          37. more questions… how many nukes does Israel have? how did they acquire them? how many US sailors were killed by Israel on the USS Liberty? what was the complicity of Israel Mossad on 9/11? what was the complicity of Israel Mossad/Meyer Lansky syndicate in assassination of JFK ( book the Final Judgement), why won’t Israel acknowledge the Armenian Genocide and support Turkish denial with their powerful lobbyists in Washington (the same as Holocause deniers)? Maybe not such a good ally, Maybe not such a good ally…indeed maybe the true enemy embedded deep within the corridors of US government and power.

          38. Consider….the US Liberty was attacked, because the US was delivering nukes to Israel on that day, couldn’t have witnesses.

          41. Actually, worse than the Nazis, because the lesson the Zionist and their supporters took from the Holocaust, rather than humility and compassion, was how to “properly” conduct racial genocide.

            (The truth is even worse. It could be said that the Nazis were schooled in their way of genocide by the Zionists themselves, who planned the “cleansing” of the Palestinians all the way back in 1897, at the dawn of the Zionist plan. But that would be overstatement. Genocide based on racial supremacism has been a human tribal practice from before the dawn of humanity. The J*ws didn’t invent it, despite being early practitioners.)
            A further irony: it is in fact the Palestinians who are the descendants of the J*ws of ancient Israel (long since converted to Islam) not the invading, white European Ashkenazis who are murdering them.

          42. Sorry Jeff, total poppycock,
            I’m going to have to put you in time-out, you are off the hook.

          44. Our neo-Goebbles wannabe stokr finds the illegitimacy of the Zionist menace something to defend where in all aspects it is indefensible. Zionism is not Judaism, and never will be. The Palestinians unfortunately are dealing with a brutal racists fascist regime that enjoys theft, mass murder, and gloating about it.

          46. and South African apartheid state with Gaza being the largest open air prison in history

          49. Saddam’s regime may have killed 61,000 – survey
            Mon, Dec 8, 2003, 00:00

            Saddam Hussein’s government may have executed 61,000 Baghdad residents, a number significantly higher than previously believed, according to a survey today.

            The bloodiest massacres of Saddam’s 23-year presidency occurred in Iraq’s Kurdish north and Shiite Muslim south, but the Gallup Baghdad Survey data indicates the brutality extended strongly into the capital as well.

            The survey, obtained by The Associated Press and which the polling firm planned to release tomorrow, asked 1,178 Baghdad residents in August and September whether a member of their household had been executed by Saddam’s regime. According to Gallup, 6.6 per cent said yes. The polling firm took metropolitan Baghdad’s population of 6.39 million and average household size – 6.9 people – to calculate that 61,000 people were executed during Saddam’s rule.

            Most are believed to have been buried in mass graves.

            The United States-led occupation authority in Iraq has said that at least 300,000 people are buried in mass graves in Iraq.

            Human rights officials put the number closer to 500,000 and some Iraqi political parties estimate more than one million were executed.

            https://www.irishtimes.com/news/saddam-s-regime-may-have-killed-61-000-survey-1.513521

          51. Actung! ZioNazi supremacist killers justifying extermination of the untermensch.

          53. Don’t murder and steal another people’s land, and you will avoid building the next Holocaust.

          54. The land was damned near vacant when the —-UN—-no less, carved out a postage stamp sized nation for the Israelis. Get over it.

          55. What right did the UN have to do that?

            If the land was so empty, there should be no problem with those whose grandparents came from that “vacant” land returning. Since there couldn’t be very many, right?

            But in comparison, Gaza has more than 10x the population density of Israel. So…. in that context, Israel is nearly “vacant”. Would you find it acceptable if the UN would carve up Israel and give a portion to another people? Perhaps one that declared itself to be an ethnic state with others being denied civil rights?

          56. Many Palestinian Arabs live in Israel
            and many more in the “disputed” territory of the West Bank.
            It is largely a fiction that those in Gaza or the WB had relatives living on the land that’s now Israel. In the early half of the last century most people were migratory, not having anything that they even thought of as a homeland.

            What right did the UN have to parcel out vacant land, I suppose the majority agreement of nations.

          57. The claim that Palestine was empty was one of a number of deceptions that changed my mind about Israel.

          59. Goes back a lot longer than that. Including early Zionists. Palestine was not empty.

          60. The consensus opinion is 700K Arabs lived in
            what is today’s geographical Israel.

            Spread 700K people across today”s and it would sure look “empty”.

            Where were the great cities of Palestine anyway?

          62. Thank you.
            Before the word
            Palestine or Palestinian existed
            there was Jewish —-Jerusalem.

          63. This goes vack to the 18th century. Read about Theodore Herzl’s founding of the Jewish extremist ideology of Zionism, and early plans to occupy Arab lands and transfer them to the Jews. Read also about early jewist extremist gangs committing ethnic cleansing like Deir Yassin. You propagate the lie that history begins at 1947, as if this cemsud was relevant in any way

          65. That is a lie you are manufacturing. It was not vacant. And it was not the un that gave the land away, land they had no right to give away. It was the British colonial government collaborating with the Rothschild family who formulated the Balfour declaration. Your ignorance of history is either actual, or an attempt to fabricate lies.

          66. The consensus number is 700 K Arabs spread across everything that was
            described as greater Israel and were migratory.

          68. Firstly those are not borders. That is a lie fabricated by you. Secondly, those are the walls of a prison, a prison for innocents and they have had right to attack those prison walls and tear them down. Any people would, finding themselves in this situation. Thirdly, they were killed on their side of this prison fence, not on the side of the prison warders.

          69. They don’t want peace,
            they want grotesque images for their propaganda.
            They live in a prison of their own making.

          70. Goebbles would also brag with such bravado about Nazi Germany. There is little daylight that separates the Zionist menace/IDF/IAF from the Third Reich…Your hubris is rich with utter bs…

          71. Only in your cramped delusional mind.
            The IDF is a defensive force not a world conquering Arian force.

          73. Well, in standard usage, it refers to early monotheistic Christianity prior to Paul’s polytheistic view winning out and the subsequent development of the doctrine of Trinity to allow Christians to have their monotheism (on orders of Constantine) and eat their polytheism too. But I’m guessing that’s not what’s meant here. I also found it confusing.

          74. Rubbish. You only need to follow the history of idf actions in Lebanon and Gaza to know that the idf is an army of colonial oppression.

          77. A successful economy that gets tens of billions in welfare from America and Germany

          78. I would be among the first to STOP all foreign aid, but I’d bet you would want us to continue aid to the Pales.

          80. Aid to the Palestinians?? Are you joking? Your aid keeps them in prison camps! By all means stop all your ‘aid’ immediately. Your so called aid is the fee paid to the jailer to keep children in prison.

          81. And from selling arms that are “battle tested” on millions of Palestinians who that have cordoned off into a huge concentration camp with only rocks and crude rockets crafted from bits of plumbing to defend themselves.

          83. Absolutely. Unending reparations for The Holocaust…generation three (!) collecting now. The grand-kids of alleged victims still suffering trauma and get paid for it. You don’t know this?

          84. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reparations_Agreement_between_Israel_and_West_Germany

          87. To have human compassion would cause you to identify with the plight of the Palestinians

            Of course that’s not you.

          88. I have compassion for the children that are born to haters who willingly sacrifice them for suicide mission, hate and misery.

          89. If the muslims were as homicidal as the Jewish supporters of Israel the the Holocaust would have happened a thousand years ago.

            When Muslims had the opportunity to commit a genocide against Jews they did not take it. They did not do it for over a thousand years.

            Israel was founded on exclusiveness, bigotry and a victim myth of entitlement went for it right away.

          91. Then there shouldn’t be any Jews in the Middle East. What happened?

            You are worse than misinformed. You lack a fundamental logic.

            You’re full of hateful lies that you are guilty of perpetuating.

          92. Israelis know how to defend themselves better than the moslim extremist know how to attack, that simple.

          93. this includes international blackmail, assasination, merciless domination over a helpless population, a mononopoly on mainstream new media and entertainment industries and control of financial currencies and usury worldwide

          96. Actually outside of Israel (except for 12-50K) in Iran there almost no Jews in the middle east.

          97. Where in the Koran? Where is there any tie in the Bible, Talmud, or Torah that relates Zionism to Judaism?? Where has any scripture defined Zionism by name?? Your pedaling a fraud, just like all Zionists in Israel do…

          98. You are peddling the fiction that islam sees Jews as equals.
            The wars, the terror, and the political/religious chants, prove you deranged

          99. You too are peddling fictions here on this forum. Your distortions of the truth and deliberate ignorance of historical fact prove that you are a propagator of lies.

          101. Apparently, unlike the J*ws, the followers of Islam were uneven in their following the directions of scripture. Not to mention that words in a book are different from actions in the real world. But you’re Hasbara, your goal is to catapult the propaganda, to promote the lies that justify and obscure Zionist crimes.

            But these days you have an uphill battle, since the world sees the truth every day with their own “lying” eyes. You’re strategy of threatening the whole world into submission is flawed.

          102. Sure Jeff, the world sees the insanity of moslim extremism,
            the Pales take center stage at the moment.

          103. What is happening in Gaza is the result of Jewish extremism. Israel is the result of the Jewish extremist notion that Palestine is a land without a people for a people without a land. The Jewish extremist gangs like the irgun committed mass murders under the extremist notion that it was morally justified.

          109. The mufti and his friends decxed to work with Hitler.

            They gave him 100 support

          111. The muffti participated and suppored the holocaust.

            If you killed yourself the world would be an even better place

          112. Zionists collaborated with Hitler

            They helped the Jews of Budapest to death camps to save the wealthy few.

            Zionism was responsible for more deaths during the Holocaust than the mufti who correctly saw what terrorism jabotinsky and his gangsters would bring.

          113. the mufit wrote to Hitler to make sure no jews escaped to Palestine

            He was an active ally of Hitler and helped him raise an army

            The Mufti was an active ally of Hiter.

            He was found guilty of being a war criminal after World War II

        3. Plenty, when they have the opportunity to get around the illegal theft, subjugation, and destruction of their culture. Zionism has no culture, or even any ties to Judaism. Zionism came to be because atheist twats like Herzl thought that colonizing land, and uprooting an indigenous population for what is an utter fraud being Israel was a good idea…bad idea for the ME, US, and entire world for that matter…

          1. Name on prominent Paley accomplished doctor, scientist, composer, architect, builder, businessman, scholar, please.

          2. The word is “Palestinian.” In some cases it would likely be useful to discern between “Palestinian Arabs” and “Palestinian Jews” (aka Israelis). “Paleys” or “Pales” is not an ethnic slur that I’ve heard before, but this particular comment does out it as unmistakably an ethnic slur, so you will stop using it or you will no longer be commenting at Antiwar.com.

          3. OK Tom, Palestinians is the word.
            “Pales” isn’t an ethnic slur at all,
            that’s why, likely, you have never heard of it.
            But I am sensitive to your concerns and have adopted your guidance.

          4. Thank you.

            For the record, I usually use “Palestinian Arabs” to distinguish them from Palestinian Jews, aka Israelis. But I don’t belabor that with other people for the most part. For one thing, giving the Jew-haters a little relief valve by allowing them to subtly pretend that only Arabs are “real” Palestinians without having to come right out and resort to hate speech and get banned seems like the most tolerant policy consistent with the guidelines.

          5. Thank you,
            and I will follow your lead and use your distinction,
            “Palestinian Arab” and “Palestinian Jew”.

        4. Amongst your friends you say the same thing about blacks, hispanics and the rest of the goys.

        5. How many Israelis grow up to be decent human beings and not hate filled racists? Proof is in the culture

          1. Israel is more peaceful, more tolerant and more civilized than any other islamo nation you can name.

          2. Israel is less tolerant and less civilized than any nation the planet has ever seen.

          3. Any Firster, let’s start by comparing woman’s rights between Israel and any other Muslim country you like.

          4. Prove that

            I would say they are far better than just about any other mideast nation

          5. As the only “western style democracy” in the Middle East (as they claim), they should be able to do a lot better than compare themselves with just about any other mideast nation.

          8. Hamas has orchestrated violent demonstrations attacking the borders.
            That will get them in harms way, hardly “cleansing”, It is a defensive barrier. Notice no such carnage orchestrated in the West Bank.
            Why the difference? Hamas wanted the carnage.

          9. The people in Gaza live under terrible conditions and have no human rights. It is clear they are desperate. They understand what they face by protesting. They are willing to suffer even further to make a point. Likewise, the IDF was under no real threat by these protesters.

            Civilised people use restraint when they find themselves in situations such as this. Uncivilized people resort to violence and force. Israel has chosen the latter path.

            I used to have great sympathy for the Jewish people in Israel. When I examined some of the rationalization used by those that excuse actions and policies in Israel and the manipulation I found those excuses were often based on deception.

            There is something going very wrong in Israel and elsewhere. A sickness of the heart. A blackness of spirit, an emptyness of the soul. People such as you are vivid examples.

            I will likely not convince you of the merits of compassion. When hatred rules an individual, there is little room for anything else. Hatred consumes a person until only an empty shell remains where once was a human being.

          10. Hamas is to blame for the conditions in Gaza, nobody else. They hold the population in misery to further terrorist designs on Israel. The proof, just look at the West Bank. The PLO isn’t as blood-thirsty, they are just criminal as in living off the contributions from other nations to sustain themselves.

            In local stores they have photos celebrating the latest suicide bomber and in schools children write essays about “Why I want to suicide bomb Jews”. Get real.
            Until Palestinians love their children more than hate the Jews,
            nothing will change.

            Have a nice day sam.

          11. Using Hamas as an excuse for oppression again?

            The Israeli government has a problem with Hamas. The Palestinian people must be punished because they will not accept a collaborative government subservient to the Israeli state. Got it.

          15. Nope. Next you’ll claim I’m anti semitic. Same old garbage. But Israel supports al Qaeda and other Jihadists. By their own admission.

          16. And 0bama created Isis, it’s a silly world.
            “Enemy of my enemy is (temporarily) my friend.”

          17. Hamas is a legitimate resistance movement. Their legitimacy is affirmed by UN resolution 42 as well as internationally agreed principles on the right to resistance to occupation, self determination and oppression. They hold the moral high ground relative to the Idf and the Israeli regime.

          18. Egypt, Jordan and soon Saud will have established peace with Israel.
            it’s time for Palestinians to move beyond hate.

          19. Hamas is a legitimate resistance movement. Their mandate is to concentrate the will of an occupied people against a colonial oppressor.

          21. Hamas is a legitimate resistance movement. Their mandate is to concentrate the will of an occupied people against a colonial oppressor.

          22. Rubbish. A simple reading of modern history and current affairs will provide the facts. There are at least 8 Islamic Arab countries who are infinitely more peaceful and tolerant than Israel. Get your facts straight.

          23. Let’s start by comparing woman’s rights between Israel and any ME Muslim country.

        6. No, the proof is in the comment. Substitute any other race, ethnicity, or religion for your newly minted ethnic slur and it would be recognized as the disgusting KKKesque crap that it is.

          I do apologize to Antiwar.com’s commenters that this hatemonger got by for several days, because I was traveling and didn’t have the ability to check comments as often as I would have liked.

          BECAUSE he went on for a while before I noticed and warned him, it is only from this point forward that he risks banning if he continues his commenting guideline violations.

          1. Gee Tom I didn’t realize anyone was offended.
            My apologies.
            “Pales” was just shorthand,
            now “Fakenstinians” that would be over the line.
            Nevertheless, I will abide by your guidance, Palestinians it is.
            Peace.

          1. Hamas caused the riot,
            an 8 month old girl died,
            who in their right mind brings children to a riot?
            Not the PLO in the West Bank,
            that’s a clue for you.

          2. The murderer is blaming the murdered. Hamas is not a separate entity, it is drawn from the grassroots population past an expression of their resistance to the occupation. You’re manufacturing conspiracy theories that somehow they are forcing Palestinians to resist the occupation. Take hamas away tomorrow, and ordinary people will group together to form a resistance movement. Which you and your fellow hasbara trolls will call terrorist. That baby, children, women and invalids were not shot by Hamas, the bullets came from idf weapons. The murderers are the Idf, this is the basis of the law civilisation is based on, to argue the opposite you are attempting to invert all moral principles that form the basis of Western law.

          3. Hamas is notorious for sending women and children into the grinder.
            Hamas needed terrible images to off set the fact that 3 nations moved their embassies. Pitiful, but you play along with it.

        8. Nothing to with culture you fool, isn’t it obvious that Palestinians are under oppression by the Idf and will naturally struggle with success? Eligible students from the west bank and gaza are denied permits to study abroad because of israeli government policy, you’re clearly racist.

    2. How dare they continue to live next to a neighbor who covets their property.

        1. They want their ancestral homes back.

          The homes that were stolen from them.

          2. Israel’s enemies in the mid east launch a war of annihilation in 1948 Attempted War crime

            Sided with the Nazis and supported the Holocaust another war crime.

            And they persecuted Arab jews in response to Israel another war crime.

            The biggest evil in the middle east are the Bathists , Khomeni followers and the Al Qadists and all other similar political types. They can’t be trusted to protect their minorities or govern

            Shame on them and all their supporters in the west.

          3. The animosity towards Jews in the Middle East was triggered by Zionism.

            Ultimately it won’t end well.

          4. That is partially true still . However you saying that Israel;s enemies are blameless in this conflict.

            They are done a lot of bad stuff and if Israel is to be held accountable then so should they .

          6. Declaring a Jewish state in Palestine was THE declaration of war.

          7. There have always been jews in the mid east and before the British the area was the property of Turkey

          8. Yes, and why didn’t the Muslim majority murder them a thousand years ago?

            Because for a thousand years Muslims have shown more tolerance than Jews have shown in 70.

          9. Not about muslims it is about Al Qadia the Bathists and the Khomeni followers

            They cant be trusted

          10. It’s about Zionism. Zionism has perverted the region and the world.

          11. Zionism is not the best idea but dont blame Isrea l for creepy political systems of Israels enemies

          12. Israeli arabs are full citizens. One Israeli arab in on Iarael supreme court

            How are arab jews doing in mideast nations?

          13. Black Americans are full citizens. There have been two Black Supreme Court Justices.

            Will you try to pretend that Blacks in America have the same status in America as White American Jews?

            Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza are in open air prisons with no citizenship rights.

            Jews were doing pretty good in the Arab Middle East until 1948.

          14. They wrre not equal either. Often they were second class citzens.

            At any rarehow are the Jews of Libya doing nowadays? How about the Jews of Lebanon? Next time you look at Dar Yassin be sure to look up the Hebron massacre.

            At anyr ate
            Gaza and the Werst bank are not Isreal.

            They are a war zone. If Arafat had accepted Bill Clintons offer. ( not talking about Camp David)
            there would be no occupation right now

          15. Gaza and the West Bank are Israeli controlled concentration camps

            Israel and Clinton walked away from negotiations

          16. 1)That is false

            Arafat rejects Clinton peace plan

            https://www.theguardian.com/world/2001/jan/03/israel2

            2) False again

            Ramallah building boom symbolizes West Bank growth

            https://www.reuters.com/article/us-palestinians-israel-construction/ramallah-building-boom-symbolizes-west-bank-growth-idUSTRE67129P20100802

            RAWABI, West Bank — In the newest city in the wannabe state of Palestine, the developer Bashar Masri is putting the finishing touches on his mall. Not just any mall. “A shopping experience,” as luxe as any in Israel, with aspirational sneakers, designer handbags, all the international brands never available here before.

            https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/world/occupied/palestinian-metropolis-rawabi-rises-in-west-bank-as-israeli-occupation-turns-50/?utm_term=.6c9361af9ef2

          17. You are mixing up two things — rejecting an offer and walking away from negotiations. If you offer me $500 for something and I say no, $600 is my price, and then you say OK, we can’t make a deal, I am the one who rejected your offer and you are the one who walked away from negotiations.

            Yes, Arafat rejected the US/Israeli offer.

            And yes, the Israelis and the US then walked away from the negotiations.

            Note that none of the above says anything about whether or not Arafat SHOULD have accepted the offer, or whether or not things had reached an impasse such that walking away was the wisest course. But who rejected an offer and who walked away from negotiations are two entirely different things.

        2. Rubbish. They have neither gaza nor the west bank. Get your facts straight.

    3. Well, the Romans occupied the land 2,000 years ago. So if Italy were to drive all the Jews out and lock them in Gaza, the Jews would bring it on themselves were the Italians to massacre them. Zio Logic

      1. There isn’t any “logic’ in that.
        The West Bank is doing much better than the Hamas insanity force in Gaza, that is logic showing it can be done.

        1. The people in the occupied West Bank don’t think they are “doing much better”.

          1. Well they aren’t storming the borders and getting shot, aren’t part of a political terror organization (Hamas) and live in a much more comfortable circumstance. Those are the benefits of peaceful coexistence.

          2. Are you willfully ignorant, or just ignorant? The west bank is under occupation. Palestinians there live under a matrix of idf control enforced by bases, checkpoints and border filtering. These are established facts.

          3. West Bank Palestinians, pay bounties to the murderers of Jews,
            expect close control as a result.

        3. Do you think the Nazis didn’t talk to people in any other countries? Lawrence of Arabia tried to rid the Middle East of British and French colonization, and Arabs hated the Brits and French, and this picture reflects that. What page is that on in the AIPAC Manual?

          1. Actually am against the U S giving 3 B a year to Israel . The U S cant afford it.

            Most other U S polices are justified

          2. Why dont you ask specific questions?

            But anyway for the record i am against the U S giving Israel 3 B a year the U S cant afford it.

    4. Sure…and the Palestinians also have nukes!! Give it a rest lapdog, the Zionist menace is living on borrowed time. While we are waiting bulldoze the trash dumpster that you call home for an illegal Israeli settler!!

      1. The Israelis have nukes, and have never threatened to use them,
        if Iran had them, we would be hearing more of that “Death to Israel” chanting.

        That’s the deference between a civilized country and one run by islamo-nut-jobs.

    5. Sure, just like they brought the occupation on themselves and all those massacres when Israel was first formed. If you think Palestinians bring this violence on themselves you are ignoring all the violence that Israel metes out any time it feels “threatened”. Go back and hide under your rock moron!

      1. Tisk, tisk, tom, no need to sink to name-calling.
        The fact is the West Bank
        (without terrorist leadership) has suffered none of the claimed injuries.
        That is the difference,
        Hamas has orchestrated this massacre, they love war,
        Fatah, not so much.

        1. The West Bank Palestinians, although treated in an apartheid manner by Israel, has not been put on a starvation diet like one of the most densely populated areas of the World – Gaza. The West Bank Palestinians only have to fear orchards being burned, settlers killing them, walls, new roads for the chosen ones, and being further ethnically cleansed.

          1. Well peace talks are an option assuming the Palestinians can agree that Israel does have a right to exist.
            Celebrating suicide murderers,
            might not be a good start point for peace talks.

            Ya see Israelis don’t do that.

          2. Peace talks are never an option with Israel. Israel cannot exist in peace with Palestine because its basis requires the oppression and removal of the pre-existing inhabitants of that land.

          3. 3 million Arabs live in the West Bank together more or less, with Jews/Hebrews. While not ideal, it is a significant improvement over Gazans.

          4. You say this as if it’s any less of a crime. Should the idf get a peace prize for this?

        2. Your ignorance of commonly established facts is astonishing. Children being shot in the back buy the idf, girls being jailed for standing up to armed soldiers with a slap, invalids being jailed for being related to protesters, family homes being bulldozed. You’ve never read any news coming out of the west bank, have you ? You’re content to swallow the Israeli government propaganda aren’t you?

    6. How dare they protest living in cage with their homes beyond a fence stolen from them…

      1. Jews occupied the land before there was name Palestinian was invented.
        You want to be misinformed.

        1. Hebrews/Jews are united by their religion, not there ethnicity.
          They are hated for their religion, not their ethnicity.
          Your attempt to ignore that fact, is nonsensical.

  2. As in the words spoken to Ray McGovern as he was nonviolently protesting torture.

    “Stop resisting”

    Never.

    1. Ramallah building boom symbolizes West Bank growth

      https://www.reuters.com/article/us-palestinians-israel-construction/ramallah-building-boom-symbolizes-west-bank-growth-idUSTRE67129P20100802

      RAWABI, West Bank — In the newest city in the wannabe state of Palestine, the developer Bashar Masri is putting the finishing touches on his mall. Not just any mall. “A shopping experience,” as luxe as any in Israel, with aspirational sneakers, designer handbags, all the international brands never available here before.

      https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/world/occupied/palestinian-metropolis-rawabi-rises-in-west-bank-as-israeli-occupation-turns-50/?utm_term=.22bff2f8ca48

  3. This proves that Iran had better get itself nuclear weapons and the means to hit Israel with them. That is the only thing Israel understands.

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  5. Genocide. Fascism. This is Israeli today. And they have captured Washington. Evil.

    1. Genocide. Fascism = Israel’s enemies The Bathists The Al Qadists and the Khomeni followers

      1. The fascists that run the IsraeIi occupation regime have committed ethnic cleansing , mass murder of innocents and are only short of genocide because Palestinians still hang on to life. The regime of Israel are long time supporters of fascist, murderous regimes like Saudi Arabia, the Shah’s Iran, Apartheid South Africa and so on.

  6. The most IMMORAL army in the world, not any different from ISIS and related terrorists. Full stop!

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  8. may God rest the souls of all the Palestinians that have been killed by Israel. AND God will free Palestine.

  9. This once civil and reasoned group has devolved into what I remember the AOL chat rooms being. I left them because of the hate and bigotry and I now leave this group for the same reason – I’ve got better things to do thanrummage around in the swamp. Tschüss…

  10. No it wasn’t since the British were the controlling authority
    and before them Turkey was the controlling the authority

    Plus the Palestinina sided sided with the Nazis and supported and encouraged the mass murder of Jews during WW II That is a WAR CRIME

    They launched a war of annihilation in 1948 another WAR CRIME

    And Arab Nations persecuted arab jews in response to Israel ANOTHER WAR CRIME

    Hamas , Al Qaeda , The Bathists and the Khomeni followers and all the similar political types are all fascist bigots who can’t be trusted to protect their minorities or govern shame on them and their supporters in the west

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